Bible Study 1 chronicles 13:9-10

[Taafe]

1 chronicles 13:9-10

“When they came to the threshing floor of Kidon, Uzzah reached out his hand to steady the ark, because the oxen stumbled. The Lord’e anger burned against Uzzah, and he struck him down because he had put his hand on the ark. So he died there before God.”


We know that God loves every human being unconditionally. However, why do you think God struck Uzzah dead for what was essentially an accident? Do you believe Uzzah will spend eternity in Hell for a mistake he made? The oxen stumbled, and it seemed as if Uzzah was trying to protect the ark from falling.

 

[Hidden In Him]

1 chronicles 13:9-10

“When they came to the threshing floor of Kidon, Uzzah reached out his hand to steady the ark, because the oxen stumbled. The Lord’e anger burned against Uzzah, and he struck him down because he had put his hand on the ark. So he died there before God.”


We know that God loves every human being unconditionally. However, why do you think God struck Uzzah dead for what was essentially an accident? Do you believe Uzzah will spend eternity in Hell for a mistake he made? The oxen stumbled, and it seemed as if Uzzah was trying to protect the ark from falling.

Of course not spend eternity in Hell, no. The reason it happened was because the Ark of the Covenant bore His Presence, and no one approaches the Living God haphazardly. It was just an unfortunate occurrence for him, but not some great sin, and certainly nothing he would have gone to Hell over

That’s my explanation anyway.

One of those things you always wondered about maybe?

 

[Taafe]

I’ve done some further research, and I understand that the Ark should never have been transported by oxen, it was meant to be carried solely by the high priests. Therefore, I realize that Uzzah disobeyed God’s command, which dates back to the time of Moses.

However, I still don’t grasp the nature of his fate. If he wasn't sent to hell, does that mean he resides in heaven?
God brought his wrath down on Uzzah so when he was killed on earth he would be facing God in the next moment. Do you think God would still be angry towards Him them?
This is a question know one could truly answer but it does get me thinking

 

[Hidden In Him]

I’ve done some further research, and I understand that the Ark should never have been transported by oxen, it was meant to be carried solely by the high priests. Therefore, I realize that Uzzah disobeyed God’s command, which dates back to the time of Moses.

However, I still don’t grasp the nature of his fate. If he wasn't sent to hell, does that mean he resides in heaven?
God brought his wrath down on Uzzah so when he was killed on earth he would be facing God in the next moment. Do you think God would still be angry towards Him them?
This is a question know one could truly answer but it does get me thinking

Well, here is where you get into where the Old Testament saints actually went after death. The earlyJudeo-Christian tradition was that everyone went to the underworld. The just went to the Paradise side of Sheol while the unjust went to the Hell side, and it's why in the story of Lazarus and the rich man, Lazarus said there was a "gulf" fixed between him and the rich man and he could not go to him to give him water. They could see each other, but the two sides of Sheol were separated by a divide. But yes, I believe he went to Paradise after death, and no, I don't think Huzzah ever faced God's "wrath" like the wicked do. I think God was angry with him for not reverencing the ark of the covenant properly and took his life for it, but I personally don't think was an unforgivable sin. Just a grave mistake on his part.

 

[for_his_glory]

To every disobedience or transgression against God's commands results in circumstances, even to death even though our own good intentions come against God's commands. God commanded that only the Kohathites, a family group within the tribe of Levi, were to carry the Ark as only they could handle sacred objects and were allowed to touch the Ark the LORD, that in whom God dwelled between the cherubims, whose name is called on it.

The lesson is a reminder that God's commands are not arbitrary and that even well intentioned actions that disreguard God's instruction can have severe consequences. King David made a new cart to carry the Ark which also came against God's command and this is why the Ark was left in the house of Obededom the Gittite for three months until David had it brought to Jerusalem, 2Samuel 6:1-11.

Exodus 25:10-22 is how the Ark of God was to be made with rings attached to the Ark so the Ark could be carried by poles passing through the rings and only the Kohathites were to carry the Ark on their shoulders per God's instruction.

 

[Beetow]

I’ve done some further research, and I understand that the Ark should never have been
transported by oxen, it was meant to be carried solely by the high priests.

High priests-- e.g. Melchizedek, Aaron, and Christ, et al --are solo, viz: there's
never supposed to be more than one in office at a time.

But you're correct about the ark's mode of transportation. Whenever it's moved, it's
supposed to be carried with staves upon on the shoulders of the sons of Kohath,
which were men of the tribe of Levi.

Now if Uzza was adequately catechized, then he was aware that not even the sons
of Kohath are allowed to make physical contact with the ark under penalty of
death; so The Lord's reaction should've been anticipated. (Num 4:15)

Do you believe Uzzah will spend eternity in Hell for a mistake he made?

No; the appropriate retribution for making physical contact with the ark is simply
capital punishment just as the appropriate retribution for Adam's tasting the
forbidden fruit was capital punishment. So then, when Adam passed away, he was
done with the forbidden fruit; and I think it safe to assume that when Uzzah passed
away he was done with the ark.
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[Beetow]

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● Jonah 1:17 . . The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he was inside
the fish three days and three nights

FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

REPLY: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

REPLY: No; at some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called
sheol (Jonah 2:2) which is located at the roots of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; the roots of the mountains aren't anchored in the tummies of fish, nor are
they anchored under the sea, rather: they're anchored underground deep in the
earth. So, the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the roots of the mountains
while simultaneously in the belly of a fish was for the man and his body to part
company and go their separate ways. This is not impossible because according to
Matt 10:28 people can, and do, exist as disembodied souls.

Also, the language of Jonah's prayer strongly suggests that his corpse was restored
to life, i.e. resurrected.

● Jonah 2:6 . . I descended to the roots of the mountains. The earth with its bars
was around me forever, But Thou hast brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my
God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" basically pertains to holes in the ground, but sometimes
speaks of putrefaction too, e.g. Ps 16:8-10 & Acts 2:25-31. In other words: had
Jonah's body been left inside that fish's tummy for much longer, it would've been
digested to oblivion.

● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge
fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart of the
earth; and in point of fact they weren't even covered with dirt. They were laid to
rest up on the surface of the earth, above the dirt, in a rock tomb. So the only way
that Jesus could be aboveground while simultaneously belowground was for he and
his body to part company and go their separate ways the same as Jonah's did.

NOTE: Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests the prophet was already deceased via
drowning before the fish swallowed him; which makes sense seeing as Jesus was
deceased before he was laid to rest in the tomb, viz: neither man was buried alive.

But my point is: Jonah's experience is the old testament's proof that death doesn't
terminate people's existence as some have supposed.
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[hawkman]

NOTE: Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests the prophet was already deceased via
drowning before the fish swallowed him; which makes sense seeing as Jesus was
deceased before he was laid to rest in the tomb, viz: neither man was buried alive.

Dead before he arrived in the Fish's belly , I think not ! Beetow Do you have an example of dead people praying in the bible ?
And these verses suggest that Jonah was alive at least some of time in the belly of the great fish .

1Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
2And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

 

[Beetow]

Do you have an example of dead people praying in the bible ?

Yes: Jonah 2:2

NOTE: A sharp Bible reader can find all three of Jonah's prayers
in that chapter. He prayed one while he was deceased, one while
he was drowning, and another just before the fish left him on the
beach.

* I bet Jonah never dreamed his little prophecy would become a
source of contention. Actually it probably never would've had not
Jesus used Jonah's nautical adventure for a sign.
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[hawkman]

He prayed one while he was deceased,

Dead people don't pray . Are you Mormon or RCC ?

 

[Beetow]

Are you Mormon or RCC ?

No.
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