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1 Corinthians 8:6 and The Holy Trinity

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1 Corinthians 8:6 and The Holy Trinity

“But to us one God, the Father, of Whom all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom all things, and we by Him. And one Holy Spirit, in Whom all things and we in Him” (Original Letter by The Apostle Paul)

The words, “καὶ ἐν πνεῦμα ἅγιον, ἐν ᾧ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς ἐν αὐτῷ”, were removed at a very early time. Like 1 John 5:7, which also very clearly Testifies to the Holy Trinity.

There is some Greek manuscript evidence for this reading, and also known to the early Church Fathers, both in their Greek and Latin New Testaments, dating from the 4th century. This verse with the reference to the Holy Spirit, was also used as Bible proof of the Holy Trinity. At this Council, there were over 200 Bishops present, from the Greek and Latin Church, who would have had this reading in their copies of the Greek and Latin New Testament, in the 6th century.

The textual evidence for this reading is better than what we had when for Colossians 2:2, the reading “τοῦ θεοῦ Χριστοῦ”, was accepted as the correct one, from about 14 variants! At the time when Westcott and Hort used this reading for their Greek Testament in 1881, there was ONE Greek manuscript, the Codex Vaticanus, of the 4th century. And ONE Latin Church Father, Hilary, Bishop of Poitiers, who also lived in the 4th century! Yet, the reading found in Clement of Alexandria (150-215), “τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἐν Χριστῷ” (God in Christ), which is over 100 years older, and in Greek, was not accepted! The discovery of the Chester Beatty Greek manuscript, P46, dating from AD175-225, reads “τοῦ θεοῦ Χριστοῦ”, but this still makes it TWO manuscripts, and not ONE Greek Church Father! The reading, “τοῦ θεοῦ ὃ ἐστιν Χριστός” (of God which is Christ), is better attested, by the Codex Bezae, a Greek-Latin manuscript of the 5th century. The Old Latin Version of the 2nd century. The Latin Vulgate of the 4th century. Augustine in the 4th century, who knew both Greek and Latin. And the 4th century Greek Church father, Ephraem.

The famous “Woman take in Adultery” of John’s Gospel (7:53-8:11), is found in the Codex Bezae, which is 5th century. Yet, the scholar Jerome, who gave us the Latin Vulgate, writing some 50 years before, says that this passage was present in “many Greek and Latin manuscripts”, in his time. Augustine also comments that “enemies of the faith”, had removed this passage!

Like Colossians 2:2; 1 John 5:7; 1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:18, etc, etc, verses that are clear Testimonies to the Deity of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Trinity, have been attacked from a very early time, and where possible, corrupted.

I have no doubt from the good textual evidence that we have, that 1 Corinthians 8:6, in the Original Letter by Paul, did also include the reference to the Holy Spirit.

Greek Manuscript

Uncial 0142, 10th century of the Byzantine text-type (Dr A Souter Novvm Testamentvm Graece.1962)

Minuscule 460, 11th century (Souter; Expositors Greek Testament), dated by F Scrivener

Minuscule 618, 12th century of the Byzantine text-type (Souter; EGT)

Minuscule 234, 13th century of the Byzantine text-type (Souter; EGT)

ATHANASIUS (293-373) – Greek

“As it is thus written, it is clear that the Spirit is not a creature, but takes part in the act of creation. The Father creates all things through the Word in the Spirit; for where the Word is, there is the Spirit also”

HILARY OF POITIERS (315-368) – Latin

“For God the Father is One, from Whom are all things; and our Lord Jesus Christ the Only-begotten, through Whom are all things, is One; and the Spirit, God's Gift to us, Who pervades all things, is also One” (On the Trinity (Book II, ch.1)

Although Hilary, who was a close friend of Athanasius, does not use “in Whom all things”, that fact is that he does refer to the Holy Spirit in this context, which is clearly from 1 Corinthians 8:6. The words are a free quote, as we have “the only-begotten”, etc, here for Jesus.

EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS (315-403 - Greek

According to Nestle-Aland's Novum Testamentum Graece (26th edition)

GREGORY OF NAZIANZUS (329-389) – Greek

“For to us there is but One God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and One Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom are all things; and One Holy Ghost, in Whom are all things” (Oration XXXIX, ch.xii)

BASIL THE GREAT (330-379) - Greek

“in the words of the Apostle, "One God and Father of whom are all things,...and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things." 1 Corinthians 8:6 "Whatever, then," he goes on, "is the relation of these terms to one another, such will be the relation of the natures indicated by them; and as the term 'of whom' is unlike the term 'by whom,' so is the Father unlike the Son." On this heresy depends the idle subtlety of these men about the phrases in question. They accordingly assign to God the Father, as though it were His distinctive portion and lot, the phrase “of Whom;” to God the Son they confine the phrase “by Whom;” to the Holy Spirit that of "in Whom,"” (De Spiritu Sancto, Chap. 2)

AMBROSE OF MILAN (339-397) – Latin & Greek

“So, then, as we read that all things are of the Father, so, too, that all things can be said to be of the Son, through Whom are all things; and we are taught by proof that all things are of the Spirit in Whom are all things” (On The Holy Spirit, Bk.2, ch.9. 96)

AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO (354-430) – Latin & Greek

“God, not only the Father, but also the Son and the Holy Spirit, “of whom are all things, and through whom are all things, and in whom are all things” (On the Trinity, chapter XV. 25)

“Of whom are all things, through whom are all things, in whom are all things” (On the Origin of the Soul, Bk.I, ch. 24)

“from whom are all things, by whom are all things, in whom are all things” (Against Two Letters of the Pelagianas, Ch. 16)

CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA (died 444) - Greek

According to Dr Souter, and The Expositor's Greek Testament.

JOHN OF DAMASCUS (675-749) – Greek

“But to us there is but one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through Whom are all things, and one Holy Spirit, in Whom are all things” (Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, Chapter X)

FIFTH GENERAL COUNCIL AT CONSTANTINOPLE, 5 MAY A.D.553

“If anyone shall not confess that the nature or essence of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is one, as also the force and the power; [if anyone does not confess] a consubstantial Trinity, one Godhead to be worshipped in three subsistences or Persons: let him be anathema. For there is but one God even the Father of whom are all things, and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom are all things, and one Holy Spirit in whom are all things” (The Capitula of the Council, The first "anathema”)

At the Council held in A.D.553, the then Emperor, Justinian I, sought to settle once and for all, the dangers of “Monophysitism”. At this Council, there were some 164 Bishops, who were mainly of the Greek speaking Church, with about 68 who were from the North African Church, which was mainly Latin speaking. Without going into too much detail of what took place at this Council, we shall look at one section of a document that was the outcome of this Council. We are told that “a series of 14 articles, or anathemas, was prepared, most of them corresponding closely with the articles of Justinian's 'confession of faith', in which the orthodox faith as to the Trinity and Incarnation was restated” (Dr H Wace, and W Piercy; A Dictionary of Christian Biography, p.612)

The evidence to the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 8:6, is in my opinion, very strong. Its omission is no doubt due to the corruption by those who were enemies to the Bible Teaching on the Holy Spirit.
 
The evidence to the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 8:6, is in my opinion, very strong. Its omission is no doubt due to the corruption by those who were enemies to the Bible Teaching on the Holy Spirit.
It is not corruption or conspiracy theory. The entire Bible testifies of their being one true God explicitly named as the Father. The correct way to understand 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 is that there is no God but one known as the Father. The only theology required for this passage is to simply trust what Paul is plainly saying. Paul is a Unitarian.

1 Corinthians 8
4So about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
 
Paul is a Unitarian

Then Paul could not have written in

1 Timothy 3:16

"God was manifested in the flesh"

Titus 2:13

"the Glory of the Great God and Saviour of us Jesus Christ"

1 Corinthians 10:9, with Numbers 21:6

"We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents"

"Yahweh sent venomous snakes among the people, and they bit the people. Many people of Israel died"

Philippians 2:10, with Isaiah 45:23

"so that at the Name of Jesus every knee will bow— of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth"

"I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath"

Romans 10:9, 13, with Joel 2:32

"If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved...For everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved"

"It will happen that whoever will call on Yahweh’s Name shall be saved"

ALL these passages are very clear, that Paul says Jesus Christ is YHWH!
 
Then Paul could not have written in

1 Timothy 3:16

"God was manifested in the flesh"

Titus 2:13

"the Glory of the Great God and Saviour of us Jesus Christ"

1 Corinthians 10:9, with Numbers 21:6

"We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents"

"Yahweh sent venomous snakes among the people, and they bit the people. Many people of Israel died"

Philippians 2:10, with Isaiah 45:23

"so that at the Name of Jesus every knee will bow— of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth"

"I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath"

Romans 10:9, 13, with Joel 2:32

"If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved...For everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved"

"It will happen that whoever will call on Yahweh’s Name shall be saved"

ALL these passages are very clear, that Paul says Jesus Christ is YHWH!
Paul is a Unitarian:

1 Thessalonians 4
9For they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God 10and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist...

Ephesians 1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

2 Corinthians 1
2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 11
31The God and Father of the Lord Jesus...
 
Paul is a Unitarian:

1 Thessalonians 4
9For they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God 10and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist...

Ephesians 1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

2 Corinthians 1
2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 11
31The God and Father of the Lord Jesus...

You have FAILED to respond to the Bible verses I have clearly presented

Your theology is FLAWED
 
Paul is a Unitarian:

1 Thessalonians 4
9For they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God 10and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist...

Ephesians 1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

2 Corinthians 1
2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 11
31The God and Father of the Lord Jesus...


How can you say Paul was "Unitarian", when the verse in the OP DESTROYS this HERESY!
 
It is not corruption or conspiracy theory. The entire Bible testifies of their being one true God explicitly named as the Father.
Yes, and that is known as monotheism, which the doctrine of the Trinity fully agrees with; monotheism is one of its foundations.

The correct way to understand 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 is that there is no God but one known as the Father. The only theology required for this passage is to simply trust what Paul is plainly saying. Paul is a Unitarian.

1 Corinthians 8
4So about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one.
Again, monotheism.

5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
Basic logic shows us that Jesus, as the Son, is necessarily God. It cannot be otherwise.

1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (ESV)

First, some theologians, such as N.T. Wright, see it as Paul's expansion of the Shema. Compare:

Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (ESV)

Second, if you want the verse to say that "one God, the Father" precludes Jesus from being God, then it necessarily follows that "one Lord, Jesus Christ" precludes the Father from being Lord. Yet that would contradict what Paul writes in many passages, such as1 Tim. 6:15. It would also contradict numerous other passages in the NT, such as Luke 10:21.

Third, if "of whom are all things" speaks of the Father's absolute existence and his nature as God, then it necessarily follows that "by whom are all things" speaks of the Son's absolute existence and nature as God. We cannot say that in relation to the Father "all things" means absolutely everything that has come into existence but that it means something different in relation to the Son. And this is confirmed using the very same logic in John 1:1-3 and Col 1:16-17.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (ESV)

Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. (ESV)

Fourth, notice that in 1 Cor 8:6 it says of the Father, "for whom we exist" and of Jesus, "through whom we exist," mirroring the language. Then, in Col 1:16, Paul says of the Son not only that "all things were created through him," but also that "all things were created . . . for him." But that is what he says of the Father in 1 Cor 8:6.

So, simple, sound logic leads to the only conclusion that Jesus, or rather the Son, is also God in nature, being of the same substance as the Father. Yet, he clearly is distinct from the Father and is not a separate God.

And we also see in other passages that Jesus, or the Son, was involved in creation:

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. (ESV)

Heb 1:10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;
Heb 1:11 they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment,
Heb 1:12 like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.” (ESV)

Those are all the more important when we look at the next chapter:

Heb 2:10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. (ESV)

That is speaking of God. And, once again, notice the use of "through whom" in speaking of the Son, in 1:2, and then "for whom and by whom" in 2:10, which is speaking of God. Heb 1:10-12 is essentially saying that creation was "by" the Son, as it is an OT passage about YHWH creating, but the Father is applying it to the Son, saying he did it.

To sum:

1. John says that the creation of everything that has come into existence was "through" the Son, the Word.
2. Paul says that the creation of everything that has come into existence was "from" the Father.
3. Paul says that the creation of everything that has come into existence was "by," "through," and "for" the Son.
4. Paul says that we exist "for" the Father.
5. Paul says that we exist "through" the Son.
6. The writer of Hebrews says that the creation of everything that has come into existence was "through" and "by" (1:10-12) the Son.
7. The writer of Hebrews says that the creation of everything that has come into existence was "for" and "by" God.

The same language is very clearly used of both the Son and the Father. Again, there is only one logical conclusion--one God, distinct persons, same substance.
 
Paul is a Unitarian:

1 Thessalonians 4
9For they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God 10and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist...

Ephesians 1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

2 Corinthians 1
2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 11
31The God and Father of the Lord Jesus...
Paul cannot be a unitarian. First, for the reasons I gave in my post above. Second, a unitarian view of God is deficient; he cannot be self-sufficient because he cannot be love, in contradiction to 1 John 4:8 and 16.
 
Paul cannot be a unitarian. First, for the reasons I gave in my post above. Second, a unitarian view of God is deficient; he cannot be self-sufficient because he cannot be love, in contradiction to 1 John 4:8 and 16.
Your premise is your opinion and isn't what the Bible says.
 
I wrote a reply to it. Are you going to actually respond to mine now?

Your "reply" is picking parts of Bible verses to support your personal "theology"

Take the verse in the OP, 1 Corinthians 8:6, where we read

“But to us one God, the Father, of Whom all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom all things, and we by Him. And one Holy Spirit, in Whom all things and we in Him”

It reads in the Greek, "one God the Father...one Lord Jesus Christ...one Holy Spirit"

This cannot mean, that Paul is here saying, that only the Father is God. Otherwise, we must then conclude, that Only Jesus Christ is Lord.

Passages like Isaiah 43:11, will then refer only to Jesus Christ, Who is The Saviour

"I Myself am Yahweh. Besides me, there is no Saviour"

This shows the absolute Deity of Jesus Christ, Who is both YHWH and Saviour!

Your reasoning is very much flawed, because your theology is!
 
Your "reply" is picking parts of Bible verses to support your personal "theology"

Take the verse in the OP, 1 Corinthians 8:6, where we read

“But to us one God, the Father, of Whom all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom all things, and we by Him. And one Holy Spirit, in Whom all things and we in Him”

It reads in the Greek, "one God the Father...one Lord Jesus Christ...one Holy Spirit"

This cannot mean, that Paul is here saying, that only the Father is God. Otherwise, we must then conclude, that Only Jesus Christ is Lord.

Passages like Isaiah 43:11, will then refer only to Jesus Christ, Who is The Saviour

"I Myself am Yahweh. Besides me, there is no Saviour"

This shows the absolute Deity of Jesus Christ, Who is both YHWH and Saviour!

Your reasoning is very much flawed, because your theology is!
I'm giving you the parts you need to fix your theology. For example, you had to ignore a load of scripture to come to the misunderstanding that there is a Triune God. Hence why I showed you Paul's explicit declarations of there being one true God, the Father, with Jesus Christ being His son. That's what you're missing. Paul is a Unitarian, a Hebrew of Hebrews, a staunchly monotheistic believer. The way he described Jesus is a man with a God. You will try to get around this, but this is just how it is.
 
For example, you had to ignore a load of scripture to come to the misunderstanding that there is a Triune God.
Please just stop. This is so dishonest when you're the one ignoring much Scripture.

That's what you're missing. Paul is a Unitarian, a Hebrew of Hebrews, a staunchly monotheistic believer.
One of your errors, as with all unitarian views of God, is to conflate monotheism with unitarianism. Those are two very different things.

Your words in post #8 are your opinion.
Again, what premise? Be specific.
 
I ask you to do the same.
If you want to play that game, I'll show where you have left much purposely unaddressed and you won't be able to show one thing I have purposely left unaddressed. I may have missed one or two things, but I'll address them as soon as you point them out.

I have no errors.
You have several errors, most are based on poor reasoning. Two of the bigger ones are that you conflate monotheism with unitarianism--two distinct ideas--and you've implied that the Trinity teaches Jesus is his own Father, which is not at all the case; that only belongs to unitarian theologies, by definition.

??

Your premise in comment #8 is your opinion.
What premise? Be specific. I said more than one thing in that post.
 
Then Paul could not have written in

1 Timothy 3:16

"God was manifested in the flesh"

Titus 2:13

"the Glory of the Great God and Saviour of us Jesus Christ"

1 Corinthians 10:9, with Numbers 21:6

"We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents"

"Yahweh sent venomous snakes among the people, and they bit the people. Many people of Israel died"

Philippians 2:10, with Isaiah 45:23

"so that at the Name of Jesus every knee will bow— of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth"

"I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath"

Romans 10:9, 13, with Joel 2:32

"If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved...For everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved"

"It will happen that whoever will call on Yahweh’s Name shall be saved"

ALL these passages are very clear, that Paul says Jesus Christ is YHWH!
I do not see any mention of the "Holy Spirit" in any of these bibles.

1 Corinthians 8:6
 
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