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Jay T
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[/quote:716a6][/quote:716a6] The people of God are described as: "Here is the patience of the saints...here are they that 'keep' the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).antitox said:
Jesus said: "IF...you love me..keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
Only those who love Jesus...will keep the commandments of God.
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antitox
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Jesus and his disciples went through the grainfields picking the stalks and were confronted by the Pharisees saying they were doing what was not lawful on the sabbath. In reality this wasn't a true violation of the commandment, but it was in the eyes of the Jewish community; at least it was what they all observed.
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Jay T
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AH...but who was it that accused him, but the Lawbreakers themselves.antitox said:
The religious leaders, usually are the last to be trusted in religious matters.....then, as now.
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evanman
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Jay T
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The Bible says: "Judge no man".evanman said:
You have not the right to ask me that, only God has that right....or, are you God ?
Only a guilty conscious would seek to throw off guilt, to put upon someone else...as Adam and Eve did with God.
I judge no one as you think I'm doing......I'm warning people about the Judgment Day of God, about what the standard of the Judgment will be.....so people will pass the Judgment !
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Jay T
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OK...from my understanding, Sabbath means, 'rest', right ?Mike01075 said:
In the Law of God (Exodus 20:3-17) we have the 7th day Sabbath, which God established in the Garden of Eden, (Genesis 2:2,3).
God added to the Law, that Moses wrote down, in a book, other sabbaths to be observed:
Feast of Unleaven Bread, Feasts of Tabernacles, Feasts of Trumpets, Passover, ...etc.,...etc.
When Christ died on the cross...almost everything contained in the Law of Moses was abolished, including these feastival sabbaths.
The only Sabbath that, 'remained' ..was in the very heart of the Law of God...the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17).
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John the Baptist
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serapha said:
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You best study the FACTS of 2 Cor. 3:3 to 'see' what the 'EPISTLE' (CHARACTER-LETTER!) of Christ 'produces' in the MIND OF THE BORN AGAIN SAINT! (and where they were, before salvation came to them?)
I know, one cannot understand what they DO NOT HAVE! See 1 John 4:6
SO: The bottom line of "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" (ALL ARE DELIGHTFUL) will need a RECREATION of ones mind & heart to LOVE CHRIST!
---John
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Bob10
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condensed version
Loving God with all your heart and soul and mind; and
Loving your neighbor as yourself
is a condensed version of the Ten Commandments.
Compare Matt. 19:17-19 with the same story, told by Luke (10:25-28).
Matthew has Jesus listing some of the Ten Commandments, while Luke has the lawyer giving the "condensed version" out of the law (Deut. 6:5 / Lev. 19:18).
Both accounts are correct: the first four Commandments tell us how to love God. The last six tell us how to love our fellow man.
Loving God with all your heart and soul and mind; and
Loving your neighbor as yourself
is a condensed version of the Ten Commandments.
Compare Matt. 19:17-19 with the same story, told by Luke (10:25-28).
Matthew has Jesus listing some of the Ten Commandments, while Luke has the lawyer giving the "condensed version" out of the law (Deut. 6:5 / Lev. 19:18).
Both accounts are correct: the first four Commandments tell us how to love God. The last six tell us how to love our fellow man.
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John the Baptist
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Re: condensed version
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Right you are! :fadein: And what 'Born Again Saint' would not want to keep [ALL OF THEM]? No one! BECAUSE WE LOVE OUR LORD & HE has provided the necessary provisions, huh? Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9
---John
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Right you are! :fadein: And what 'Born Again Saint' would not want to keep [ALL OF THEM]? No one! BECAUSE WE LOVE OUR LORD & HE has provided the necessary provisions, huh? Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9
---John
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Jay T
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I agree with you on the fact that there are 2 different languages here.serapha said:
So, let's look at the Greek only, for right now, OK ?
The same Greek word for commandments is found in Matthew (before the death of Jesus Christ)......as found in 1 John 2:4 (after the death and resurrection of Christ).
Thereby showing that the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17) as found before Christ's death and resurrection ....are the same as after the death and resurrection of Christ.
WHICH MEANS.........the 7th day Sabbath, did 'not' fade away, as so much of the Christian world wants to believe.
then, how do you explain Colossians 214-16 ?
The Bible says...that the Law of Moses was abolished at the Cross.
OH ?
question then:
POINT #1.) In Duet. 5:22 (Immediately after the 10 commandments are quoted)....'and He added no more'.
POINT #2.) In light of the above statement, Where is the rite of circumcision anywhere in the 10 commandments ?
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You best study the FACTS of 2 Cor. 3:3 to 'see' what the 'EPISTLE' (CHARACTER-LETTER!) of Christ 'produces' in the MIND OF THE BORN AGAIN SAINT! (and where they were, before salvation came to them?)
I know, one cannot understand what they DO NOT HAVE! See 1 John 4:6
SO: The bottom line of "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" (ALL ARE DELIGHTFUL) will need a RECREATION of ones mind & heart to LOVE CHRIST!
---John[/quote]
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evanman
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If anyone believes that holding "church services" on Saturday instead of Sunday is "Keeping Sabbath" then they are deceived!
Keeping Sabbath has absolutely nothing to do with "Going To Church" It is about entering into God's rest!
Keeping Sabbath has absolutely nothing to do with "Going To Church" It is about entering into God's rest!
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John the Baptist
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evanman said:
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O' so John being IN THE SPIRIT ON THE LORD'S DAY of Rev. 1:10 (you don't know what day that is?? See Mark 2:27-28) & Heb. 10:25's suggestion of assembly, is just not Truth, huh? Sure sounds like Cains reasoning of Gen. 4:7 to me!
: But surely I understand that God only 'leads' as one will follow. Rom. 8:14---John
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Jay T
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Yes,evanman said:
And God specified which 'day' that rest was to be observed:
"Remember the Sabbath 'day'...to keep 'it'...Holy".
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Bob10
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Sign for Israel only?
Exodus 31:16: "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant."
No one can deny that this absolutely BINDS the people of Israel to keep the Sabbath FOREVER, and throughout their generations perpetually. Their generations are still going on. Therefore it is binding on them today.
Also we have to admit that salvation and Christianity are open to Jews and all Israelites. The gospel "is the power of GOD UNTO SALVATION to every one that believes; TO THE JEW FIRST, and also the Greek" (Rom. 1:16).
So then the Jew can be a converted CHRISTIAN! Indeed, the Church at the beginning was nearly altogether Jewish! So the JEW, even though a Christian in God's CHURCH, is BOUND to keep God's Sabbath as a perpetual covenant, throughout his generations, FOREVER!
Now, does God have TWO KINDS of Christians? Is it SIN for a Jewish Christian to break the Sabbath, and sin for all others to KEEP it? Must Jewish Christians assemble on the Sabbath, and those of other nationalities on Sunday? Didn't Jesus say a house divided against itself would fall?
Are there TWO KINDS of Christians? Read Galatians 3:28-29: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. And if you [Gentiles] be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
So, since the Sabbath is BINDING TODAY on the Jewish part of God's Church, and there is no difference - we are all ONE in Christ - it is also binding on Gentiles!
Exodus 31:16: "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant."
No one can deny that this absolutely BINDS the people of Israel to keep the Sabbath FOREVER, and throughout their generations perpetually. Their generations are still going on. Therefore it is binding on them today.
Also we have to admit that salvation and Christianity are open to Jews and all Israelites. The gospel "is the power of GOD UNTO SALVATION to every one that believes; TO THE JEW FIRST, and also the Greek" (Rom. 1:16).
So then the Jew can be a converted CHRISTIAN! Indeed, the Church at the beginning was nearly altogether Jewish! So the JEW, even though a Christian in God's CHURCH, is BOUND to keep God's Sabbath as a perpetual covenant, throughout his generations, FOREVER!
Now, does God have TWO KINDS of Christians? Is it SIN for a Jewish Christian to break the Sabbath, and sin for all others to KEEP it? Must Jewish Christians assemble on the Sabbath, and those of other nationalities on Sunday? Didn't Jesus say a house divided against itself would fall?
Are there TWO KINDS of Christians? Read Galatians 3:28-29: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. And if you [Gentiles] be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
So, since the Sabbath is BINDING TODAY on the Jewish part of God's Church, and there is no difference - we are all ONE in Christ - it is also binding on Gentiles!
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BereanDAD2003
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The Torah for the Jews Only
Your point would be significant if God hadn't specifically told Israel that the Law was for them.
Gentiles are not bound to the Torah, not one word of it.
Distinction between biblical economies is essential to accurate interpretation of the same, dude.
Your point would be significant if God hadn't specifically told Israel that the Law was for them.
Gentiles are not bound to the Torah, not one word of it.
Distinction between biblical economies is essential to accurate interpretation of the same, dude.
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John the Baptist
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Re: The Torah for the Jews Only
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DUDE? (here we go again it seems?)
The last few verses of Rom. 2 tell's just who it is that will be in heaven!
No one will be there that is not a 'spiritual' Jew. But of course that comes ONLY by being Born Again, huh? You do not want to be a member of the church bride of a Jewish Christ's 'fold'? God/forbid!
And gentils are not bound by the Covenant of God??? See Rom. 3:31-Rom. 2:13 and even the angels who have not fallen! See Rev. 22:8-9, I suspect you know where this Covenant comes from? (and your missive original)
Yet, you are right! :wink: NO one is [bound] by the Covenant of 'LIBERTY'.
It does one NO good to follow the Everlasting Covenant (see Heb. 13:20) of the GodHead with any other [MOTIVE] OTHER THAN A [RECREATED LOVE]!
'If ye love me keep my commandments' is only for the Jew?? Young'in, Israel of old never even accepted the Master!
: How about you?
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DUDE? (here we go again it seems?)
The last few verses of Rom. 2 tell's just who it is that will be in heaven!
No one will be there that is not a 'spiritual' Jew. But of course that comes ONLY by being Born Again, huh? You do not want to be a member of the church bride of a Jewish Christ's 'fold'? God/forbid!
And gentils are not bound by the Covenant of God??? See Rom. 3:31-Rom. 2:13 and even the angels who have not fallen! See Rev. 22:8-9, I suspect you know where this Covenant comes from? (and your missive original)
Yet, you are right! :wink: NO one is [bound] by the Covenant of 'LIBERTY'.
It does one NO good to follow the Everlasting Covenant (see Heb. 13:20) of the GodHead with any other [MOTIVE] OTHER THAN A [RECREATED LOVE]!
'If ye love me keep my commandments' is only for the Jew?? Young'in, Israel of old never even accepted the Master!
: How about you?
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BereanDAD2003
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Law versus Faith
John, you wrote:
"The last few verses of Rom. 2 tell's just who it is that will be in heaven! No one will be there that is not a 'spiritual' Jew. But of course that comes ONLY by being Born Again, huh? You do not want to be a member of the church bride of a Jewish Christ's 'fold'? God/forbid!"
BereanDAD's Response:
First, I'm not sure at all if the passage you refer to speaks of "heaven," but yes, it does speak in Romans 2 of those who are in relationship with God (v. 17) based on being non-hypocritical and on being a "true Jew." While the passage isn't talking about individuals being born again to become such a Jew, it is saying that no one who is a Jew is recognized as such if he happens to be a hypocrite, teaching "the foolish" and "infants" (v. 20) and others (vv. 21-24) to follow various aspects of the law while doing the very things they condemn.
Paul says that the value of the law comes in one's following it. He gravely points out in another place that if one seeks to be justified by the law, he will definitely find himself condemned by it since law-keeping requires following all the details of it: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the Law.' Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because 'The righteous will live by faith'" (Galatians 3:10-11). The whole point of the Law of Moses was to create the desperation that should come when one sees the catalogue of sins leveled against him for his disobedience to it. Paul's point is that one should not seek to be justified by the Law, but rather "by faith" as a system. Abraham was considered righteous by God on the basis of his faith (certainly not his perfection, given some of his moral bobbles; notwithstanding that the Law was over 400 years away from being given anyway.)
The whole point of Christianity is that before the foundation of the world, God had planned, schemed, determined--however you want to say it--that there would come a time when he would have a family comprised of all members of the human family (Ephesians 2:11-18). Certainly that would be accomplished by the bringing into existence his "seed," namely the Messiah Jesus. The Law was an afterthought, or maybe it would be more correct to say that "it was added": "What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come" (Galatians 3:19). Salvation was by faith, not by law. Even king David, for example, according to the Law of Moses, should have been wasted because of the two sins of murder and adultery (2 Samuel 11; Leviticus 20:10; Numbers 35:16). Neither sin had any provision for forgiveness in the Mosaic Law. Yet Nathan the prophet declares David forgiven (2 Samuel 12:13-14). If David was forgiven, it was not on the basis of the Law, but rather on the basis of God's Sovereign prerogative (Psalm 115:3) to forgive those who have a heart to live faith (Habakuk 2:4), which of course, David did (Acts 13:22).
The Mosaic Law, given to the Jews, guided them well enough, but it was never intended to be permanent. And indeed, through the Messiah's sacrifice, it was done away, since God never intended it to be permanent anyway. "The law with its commandments" is described, relative to Jew and Gentile, as being "the dividing wall of hostility," which the Messiah destroyed in his flesh. The death of Jesus on the cross makes it possible for Jews and Gentiles to be absolutely one now (Ephesians 2:16).
You write:
"And gentil[e]s are not bound by the Covenant of God??? See Rom. 3:31-Rom. 2:13 and even the angels who have not fallen! See Rev. 22:8-9, I suspect you know where this Covenant comes from? (and your missive original)."
BereanDAD's Response:
The whole context of the verses you mention begin in Romans 2:27. Paul's point there, as I've tried to indicate above, is that it is faith, not "observing the law" that is the basis of boasting in God. Certainly the law had its purpose, and for that it should be upheld as you indicate is so in Romans 3:31. But it was not to be a permanent thing. Even Paul declares that he is not under "the Law" (1 Corinthians 9:20) but under "the law of Christ" (1 Corinthians 9:21). When Paul says in Romans 2:13, "For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous," I would lend a hearty Amen! But the fact of the matter is stated in the previous verse, "All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." Paul's point in the paragraph, Romans 2:12-16 is that Jews are condemned because they've violated the Jewish law.
Gentiles are condemned because they've violated the law given to them, moral law written on the heart. He is not trying to argue, with those verses that the Mosaic Law is still in effect for today. He's arguing how people come to be condemned and in need of Christ. His argument began back in Romans 1:18, and it ends at Romans 3:9 where he says, "What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. He reiterates that the purpose of the law was so that people could "become conscious of sin" (Romans 3:20), not be justified by it. And he concludes that salvation or "justification" (being declared "right" or "righteous" in God's court) "freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus" (Romans 3:24). Following that he talks about how this occurs in Jesus' sacrifice and how the benefits of it come to us (Jew and Gentile in context) "through faith in his blood" (v. 25). His concluding point once again, is to set faith against the Law in verses 27-31, and to declare the wonderful plan of God to "justify the circumcised [Jews] by faith and the uncircumcised [Gentiles] through that same faith" (Romans 3:30).
I appreciate what you have to say, John. But a little fine tuning on your thoughts will serve you well in this regard of Law versus Faith--two systems set against one another. One (the Law) made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) by a new covenant mediated by the Messiah (Hebrews 9:15).
--BereanDAD
John, you wrote:
"The last few verses of Rom. 2 tell's just who it is that will be in heaven! No one will be there that is not a 'spiritual' Jew. But of course that comes ONLY by being Born Again, huh? You do not want to be a member of the church bride of a Jewish Christ's 'fold'? God/forbid!"
BereanDAD's Response:
First, I'm not sure at all if the passage you refer to speaks of "heaven," but yes, it does speak in Romans 2 of those who are in relationship with God (v. 17) based on being non-hypocritical and on being a "true Jew." While the passage isn't talking about individuals being born again to become such a Jew, it is saying that no one who is a Jew is recognized as such if he happens to be a hypocrite, teaching "the foolish" and "infants" (v. 20) and others (vv. 21-24) to follow various aspects of the law while doing the very things they condemn.
Paul says that the value of the law comes in one's following it. He gravely points out in another place that if one seeks to be justified by the law, he will definitely find himself condemned by it since law-keeping requires following all the details of it: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the Law.' Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because 'The righteous will live by faith'" (Galatians 3:10-11). The whole point of the Law of Moses was to create the desperation that should come when one sees the catalogue of sins leveled against him for his disobedience to it. Paul's point is that one should not seek to be justified by the Law, but rather "by faith" as a system. Abraham was considered righteous by God on the basis of his faith (certainly not his perfection, given some of his moral bobbles; notwithstanding that the Law was over 400 years away from being given anyway.)
The whole point of Christianity is that before the foundation of the world, God had planned, schemed, determined--however you want to say it--that there would come a time when he would have a family comprised of all members of the human family (Ephesians 2:11-18). Certainly that would be accomplished by the bringing into existence his "seed," namely the Messiah Jesus. The Law was an afterthought, or maybe it would be more correct to say that "it was added": "What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come" (Galatians 3:19). Salvation was by faith, not by law. Even king David, for example, according to the Law of Moses, should have been wasted because of the two sins of murder and adultery (2 Samuel 11; Leviticus 20:10; Numbers 35:16). Neither sin had any provision for forgiveness in the Mosaic Law. Yet Nathan the prophet declares David forgiven (2 Samuel 12:13-14). If David was forgiven, it was not on the basis of the Law, but rather on the basis of God's Sovereign prerogative (Psalm 115:3) to forgive those who have a heart to live faith (Habakuk 2:4), which of course, David did (Acts 13:22).
The Mosaic Law, given to the Jews, guided them well enough, but it was never intended to be permanent. And indeed, through the Messiah's sacrifice, it was done away, since God never intended it to be permanent anyway. "The law with its commandments" is described, relative to Jew and Gentile, as being "the dividing wall of hostility," which the Messiah destroyed in his flesh. The death of Jesus on the cross makes it possible for Jews and Gentiles to be absolutely one now (Ephesians 2:16).
You write:
"And gentil[e]s are not bound by the Covenant of God??? See Rom. 3:31-Rom. 2:13 and even the angels who have not fallen! See Rev. 22:8-9, I suspect you know where this Covenant comes from? (and your missive original)."
BereanDAD's Response:
The whole context of the verses you mention begin in Romans 2:27. Paul's point there, as I've tried to indicate above, is that it is faith, not "observing the law" that is the basis of boasting in God. Certainly the law had its purpose, and for that it should be upheld as you indicate is so in Romans 3:31. But it was not to be a permanent thing. Even Paul declares that he is not under "the Law" (1 Corinthians 9:20) but under "the law of Christ" (1 Corinthians 9:21). When Paul says in Romans 2:13, "For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous," I would lend a hearty Amen! But the fact of the matter is stated in the previous verse, "All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." Paul's point in the paragraph, Romans 2:12-16 is that Jews are condemned because they've violated the Jewish law.
Gentiles are condemned because they've violated the law given to them, moral law written on the heart. He is not trying to argue, with those verses that the Mosaic Law is still in effect for today. He's arguing how people come to be condemned and in need of Christ. His argument began back in Romans 1:18, and it ends at Romans 3:9 where he says, "What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. He reiterates that the purpose of the law was so that people could "become conscious of sin" (Romans 3:20), not be justified by it. And he concludes that salvation or "justification" (being declared "right" or "righteous" in God's court) "freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus" (Romans 3:24). Following that he talks about how this occurs in Jesus' sacrifice and how the benefits of it come to us (Jew and Gentile in context) "through faith in his blood" (v. 25). His concluding point once again, is to set faith against the Law in verses 27-31, and to declare the wonderful plan of God to "justify the circumcised [Jews] by faith and the uncircumcised [Gentiles] through that same faith" (Romans 3:30).
I appreciate what you have to say, John. But a little fine tuning on your thoughts will serve you well in this regard of Law versus Faith--two systems set against one another. One (the Law) made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) by a new covenant mediated by the Messiah (Hebrews 9:15).
--BereanDAD
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John the Baptist
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Hi, the message that I read the first time was that there is a different way of salvation for the Jew & the Gentile? Right or wrong? See Heb. 11:13.
You seem to confuse the law of Gal. (added because of sin) & the James 2:8-12's [ROYAL LAW] (Eternal Covenant) that [ALL] will be finally judged by to see if they 'really' are Born Again & [MATURE] Obedient believers safe to save, with the law that Moses penned in a book? See Deut. 31 & Na. 1:9. (still again, LOVE is the 'tested' motive of ALL the 'finally' saved Obedient ones. And how it was done! see Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 :fadein: )
Regardless: All & ONLY [Born Again SPIRITUAL] 7th day Sabbath Jew's
will not take the Mark of the Beast! That is the final testing for their LOVE of their MASTER! (not like Cain's fruit sacrifice of Gen. 4:7 or Sun.'s comparrison!)
Surely there have been many sincere saints before this [final] testing that OBEYED the MASTER as best as they had known! These too were spiritual Jews regardless if they knew it or not. See John 10:16 for what transpires when they are 'LED' by the Holy Ghost in Rom. 8:14. (not all will do so it seems? see Rev. 18:4)
Perhaps one might explore the Born Again [POSTIVES ONLY] of Heb. 6 to see why this is most likely so? What more does one need they might say? I [HAVE TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD], [I HAVE BEEN MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST]!
In other words, they FEEL GOOD! They go by FEELING instead of PRINCIPLE! God said it I BELIEVE IT AND THAT SETTLES IT FOR ME as the old [TRUTHFUL] saying goes. True LOVE is a principle, not feeling or emotion!
As far as MATURING goes, who needs that they wonder? So they mis/understand the WHOLE of the Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting [CONDITIONAL] Covenant! : Read & study Hosea 4:6 with [our] last day [INCREASED KNOWLEDGE]. (even AFTER we have all of the Master's Word RECORDED.
You might wonder why the GodHead tested the first pair of Their [PERFECTLY CREATED] ones in the first place? Who by the way, were neither called Jews. The reason was that [ALL] of Their creating were [NOT] created with a [MATURE] Character! (even the other world's' as is twice stated in the Heb. chapters) This they had to develope. Surely the provision 'IN CHRIST' was given, yet it was their free DECISION to make!
---John
You seem to confuse the law of Gal. (added because of sin) & the James 2:8-12's [ROYAL LAW] (Eternal Covenant) that [ALL] will be finally judged by to see if they 'really' are Born Again & [MATURE] Obedient believers safe to save, with the law that Moses penned in a book? See Deut. 31 & Na. 1:9. (still again, LOVE is the 'tested' motive of ALL the 'finally' saved Obedient ones. And how it was done! see Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 :fadein: )
Regardless: All & ONLY [Born Again SPIRITUAL] 7th day Sabbath Jew's
will not take the Mark of the Beast! That is the final testing for their LOVE of their MASTER! (not like Cain's fruit sacrifice of Gen. 4:7 or Sun.'s comparrison!)
Surely there have been many sincere saints before this [final] testing that OBEYED the MASTER as best as they had known! These too were spiritual Jews regardless if they knew it or not. See John 10:16 for what transpires when they are 'LED' by the Holy Ghost in Rom. 8:14. (not all will do so it seems? see Rev. 18:4)
Perhaps one might explore the Born Again [POSTIVES ONLY] of Heb. 6 to see why this is most likely so? What more does one need they might say? I [HAVE TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD], [I HAVE BEEN MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST]!
In other words, they FEEL GOOD! They go by FEELING instead of PRINCIPLE! God said it I BELIEVE IT AND THAT SETTLES IT FOR ME as the old [TRUTHFUL] saying goes. True LOVE is a principle, not feeling or emotion!
As far as MATURING goes, who needs that they wonder? So they mis/understand the WHOLE of the Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting [CONDITIONAL] Covenant!
: Read & study Hosea 4:6 with [our] last day [INCREASED KNOWLEDGE]. (even AFTER we have all of the Master's Word RECORDED.You might wonder why the GodHead tested the first pair of Their [PERFECTLY CREATED] ones in the first place? Who by the way, were neither called Jews. The reason was that [ALL] of Their creating were [NOT] created with a [MATURE] Character! (even the other world's' as is twice stated in the Heb. chapters) This they had to develope. Surely the provision 'IN CHRIST' was given, yet it was their free DECISION to make!
---John