Bible Study 10 Commandments....God's Standard of Righteousness ?

[BereanDAD2003]

I agree and disagree on points you make, John.

John:

Thanks for your reply.

You ask:

Hi, the message that I read the first time was that there is a different way of salvation for the Jew & the Gentile? Right or wrong? See Heb. 11:13.

Response:

No. If I seemed to say this, I apologize for my lack of clarity. "He made no distinction between us [Jews who became Christians] and them, for he purified thier [Gentiles who became Christians] hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). Once Jesus the Messiah came, people have to come to God specifically through him (John 14:6). Prior to his coming, the literal descendents of Abraham, if they sought to be justified by the law found that they were sorely lacking as sin after sin piled up against them. Of course, if they went through the rituals and sacrifices (Yom Kippur, etc.) they were covered. On the other hand, if they were living by faith like the people spoken of in Hebrews 11:13, God was saving them (as he did David, Asa, and others) on the basis of the covenant he made with Abraham.


You write:

You seem to confuse the law of Gal. (added because of sin) & the James 2:8-12's [ROYAL LAW] (Eternal Covenant) that [ALL] will be finally judged by to see if they 'really' are Born Again & [MATURE] Obedient believers safe to save, with the law that Moses penned in a book? See Deut. 31 & Na. 1:9. (still again, LOVE is the 'tested' motive of ALL the 'finally' saved Obedient ones. And how it was done! see Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 )

Respons:

I basically agree with what you've said there. But one must be in the new covenant, members of the kingdom that Paul said Christians had been transferred into (Colossians 1:13). I believe the New Testament indicates certain things that make a person a member of the kingdom/faith that Jesus established. Certainly God wants us to progress in the faith adding virtues over time as we await the final day of welcome into the eternal kingdom (2 Peter 1:5-11).

You wrote:

[colore=red]Regardless: All & ONLY [Born Again SPIRITUAL] 7th day Sabbath Jew's will not take the Mark of the Beast! That is the final testing for their LOVE of their MASTER! (not like Cain's fruit sacrifice of Gen. 4:7 or Sun.'s comparrison!) [/color]

Response:

Jews can follow laws like the 7th day sabbath and anything else if they want to, but as Paul said, he was not under the law (1 Corinthians 920), though he did, from time to time follow certain Mosaical Law vows (Acts 21:17-26); and even exercised such an option when clearly made an act of expediency (not requirement) as in when he had Timothy circumcised because of his Jewish background and the need to be able to evangelize among Jews (Acts 16:3). As to the Mark of the Beast stuff, we probably have a different way of understanding milennial ideas. It will be the way it will be. God will do what he wants with the saved. He is able to destroy in hell those who need it (Matthew 10:28).

You write:

Surely there have been many sincere saints before this [final] testing that OBEYED the MASTER as best as they had known! These too were spiritual Jews regardless if they knew it or not. See John 10:16 for what transpires when they are 'LED' by the Holy Ghost in Rom. 8:14. (not all will do so it seems? see Rev. 18:4)

Response:

You're possibly right. I see no reason to argue the point. Although I've typically felt that those Jesus was speaking of in Joh 10:16 were Gentiles (possibly also those of Acts 2:38-39).

You write:

Perhaps one might explore the Born Again [POSTIVES ONLY] of Heb. 6 to see why this is most likely so? What more does one need they might say? I [HAVE TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD], [I HAVE BEEN MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST]!

In other words, they FEEL GOOD! They go by FEELING instead of PRINCIPLE! God said it I BELIEVE IT AND THAT SETTLES IT FOR ME as the old [TRUTHFUL] saying goes. True LOVE is a principle, not feeling or emotion!

Response:

There are various aspects to the obedience of faith (Acts 6:7; Romans 1:5; 16:26, and other verses) that prove love. We can't call Jesus "Lord, lord," and not do what he says, especially when he asks us directly and through his apostles to do things. Some people got specific answers when they asked what they needed to do (Example: Acts 2:37. Answer in v. 38).

You write:

As far as MATURING goes, who needs that they wonder? So they mis/understand the WHOLE of the Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting [CONDITIONAL] Covenant! Read & study Hosea 4:6 with [our] last day [INCREASED KNOWLEDGE]. (even AFTER we have all of the Master's Word RECORDED.

Response:

No comment.

You write:

You might wonder why the GodHead . . .



Reponse:

I don't believe in a godhead. The Father is God. Jesus became the Son of God. God and Son of God are not the same. Jesus is not God. Jesus is not a dual-natured creature. Jesus the man could be tempted (Hebrews 4:15). God could not (James 1:13). But that's a discussion for another part of the forum, isn't it.

You write:

tested the first pair of Their [PERFECTLY CREATED] ones in the first place? Who by the way, were neither called Jews. The reason was that [ALL] of Their creating were [NOT] created with a [MATURE] Character! (even the other world's' as is twice stated in the Heb. chapters) This they had to develope. Surely the provision 'IN CHRIST' was given, yet it was their free DECISION to make!

Response:

Adam and Eve were safe by obedience to law and lost according to law and saved by God their Father's prerogative.

You're a smart dude, John. It will be interesting talking with you from time to time.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

No God's standard of righteousness is not the 10 Commandments.

Jesus Christ, Lord of the Sabbath, is God's standard of righteousness.

JMW

 

[John the Baptist]

No God's standard of righteousness is not the 10 Commandments.

Jesus Christ, Lord of the Sabbath, is God's standard of righteousness.

JMW

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Hi, we will soon know, huh? See Obad. 16 for a wrong judgement's ENDING of ones 1/2 of Christ's EPISTLE of 2 Cor. 3:3. That equals profession alone! : A workless or D-E-A-D James 2 1/2 Gospel, which is not only 1/2 Gospel, but equals NO GOSPEL AT ALL! :

----John

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

[quote="Jesus My Wisdom":1e7fd]No God's standard of righteousness is not the 10 Commandments.

Jesus Christ, Lord of the Sabbath, is God's standard of righteousness.

JMW

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Hi, we will soon know, huh? See Obad. 16 for a wrong judgement's ENDING of ones 1/2 of Christ's EPISTLE of 2 Cor. 3:3. That equals profession alone! : A workless or D-E-A-D James 2 1/2 Gospel, which is not only 1/2 Gospel, but equals NO GOSPEL AT ALL! :

----John[/quote:1e7fd]

Are you confusing works of the Law people do with the works of God people do?

JMW

 

[John the Baptist]

[quote="John the Baptist":4f25c][quote="Jesus My Wisdom":4f25c]No God's standard of righteousness is not the 10 Commandments.

Jesus Christ, Lord of the Sabbath, is God's standard of righteousness.

JMW

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Hi, we will soon know, huh? See Obad. 16 for a wrong judgement's ENDING of ones 1/2 of Christ's EPISTLE of 2 Cor. 3:3. That equals profession alone! : A workless or D-E-A-D James 2 1/2 Gospel, which is not only 1/2 Gospel, but equals NO GOSPEL AT ALL! :

----John[/quote:4f25c]

Are you confusing works of the Law people do with the works of God people do?

JMW[/quote:4f25c]

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No, not in any sense of man's word!
Rev. 12:17 tells of the Fathers Commandments that the last saved 'remnant' will keep, [+], that have the 'Masters testimony' of this WORKING fact! Try reading Isa. 42:21. It is just a RECREATED RESPONSE! LOVE WORKS OBEDIENCE! See Acts 5:32 These ones [ONLY], have the Holy Ghost. (Born Again)

I suggest that it is your 'posting' that is going astray!
For Christ Himself stated that the Royal Law of the ten commandments that were in tables of stone, as per 2 Cor. 3:3, are NOW IN THE MIND & THE HEART of the Born Again Christian! :fadein:
Indeed, if one has been Born Again in the first place?
For Christ Himself 'TESTIFIED' in His Word that.. "[IF] YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS".

---John

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

[quote="Jesus My Wisdom":db652][quote="John the Baptist":db652][quote="Jesus My Wisdom":db652]No God's standard of righteousness is not the 10 Commandments.

Jesus Christ, Lord of the Sabbath, is God's standard of righteousness.

JMW

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Hi, we will soon know, huh? See Obad. 16 for a wrong judgement's ENDING of ones 1/2 of Christ's EPISTLE of 2 Cor. 3:3. That equals profession alone! : A workless or D-E-A-D James 2 1/2 Gospel, which is not only 1/2 Gospel, but equals NO GOSPEL AT ALL! :

----John[/quote:db652]

Are you confusing works of the Law people do with the works of God people do?

JMW[/quote:db652]

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No, not in any sense of man's word!
Rev. 12:17 tells of the Fathers Commandments that the last saved 'remnant' will keep, [+], that have the 'Masters testimony' of this WORKING fact! Try reading Isa. 42:21. It is just a RECREATED RESPONSE! LOVE WORKS OBEDIENCE! See Acts 5:32 These ones [ONLY], have the Holy Ghost. (Born Again)

I suggest that it is your 'posting' that is going astray!
For Christ Himself stated that the Royal Law of the ten commandments that were in tables of stone, as per 2 Cor. 3:3, are NOW IN THE MIND & THE HEART of the Born Again Christian! :fadein:
Indeed, if one has been Born Again in the first place?
For Christ Himself 'TESTIFIED' in His Word that.. "[IF] YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS".

---John[/quote:db652]

Jesus said these things to Jews under the Law. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ because in Christ you are not bound to the Law. We follow the Spirit of God.

Also, 2 Corinthians 3 tells you that the 10 Commandments are not part of the Christian walk.

JMW

 

[John the Baptist]

[quote="John the Baptist":eecea][quote="Jesus My Wisdom":eecea][quote="John the Baptist":eecea][quote="Jesus My Wisdom":eecea]No God's standard of righteousness is not the 10 Commandments.

Jesus Christ, Lord of the Sabbath, is God's standard of righteousness.

JMW

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Hi, we will soon know, huh? See Obad. 16 for a wrong judgement's ENDING of ones 1/2 of Christ's EPISTLE of 2 Cor. 3:3. That equals profession alone! : A workless or D-E-A-D James 2 1/2 Gospel, which is not only 1/2 Gospel, but equals NO GOSPEL AT ALL! :

----John[/quote:eecea]

Are you confusing works of the Law people do with the works of God people do?

JMW[/quote:eecea]

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No, not in any sense of man's word!
Rev. 12:17 tells of the Fathers Commandments that the last saved 'remnant' will keep, [+], that have the 'Masters testimony' of this WORKING fact! Try reading Isa. 42:21. It is just a RECREATED RESPONSE! LOVE WORKS OBEDIENCE! See Acts 5:32 These ones [ONLY], have the Holy Ghost. (Born Again)

I suggest that it is your 'posting' that is going astray!
For Christ Himself stated that the Royal Law of the ten commandments that were in tables of stone, as per 2 Cor. 3:3, are NOW IN THE MIND & THE HEART of the Born Again Christian! :fadein:
Indeed, if one has been Born Again in the first place?
For Christ Himself 'TESTIFIED' in His Word that.. "[IF] YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS".

---John[/quote:eecea]

Jesus said these things to Jews under the Law. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ because in Christ you are not bound to the Law. We follow the Spirit of God.

Also, 2 Corinthians 3 tells you that the 10 Commandments are not part of the Christian walk.

JMW[/quote:eecea]

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Well, thanks then for your bottom line. I like to know of ones teaching of 'Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant' lawless 'walk'. (it saves the Master's time)

It seems that I want absolutely [NO] part of your theology, for it was also originally started in heavens rebellion of LAW BREAKING!! 1 John 3:4. By the way, this created angel was not a Jew either!

 

[BereanDAD2003]

No distinction between the ceremonial and spiritual Law

Paul taught that any aspect of law-keeping requires the whole of the law to be kept. We are not under ANY of it as Christians. Fortunately, particulary as regards certain moral elements, the law of Christ contains specifics that were found in the Law of Moses:

"For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the things written in the book of the law.' Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law [Paul doesn't qualify here!] 'The one who is righteous will live by faith'" (Galatians 3:10-11).

Justification is by the faith system, not the law of Moses.

--BereanDAD2003

 

[John the Baptist]

Re: No distinction between the ceremonial and spiritual Law

Paul taught that any aspect of law-keeping requires the whole of the law to be kept. We are not under ANY of it as Christians. Fortunately, particulary as regards certain moral elements, the law of Christ contains specifics that were found in the Law of Moses:

"For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the things written in the book of the law.' Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law [Paul doesn't qualify here!] 'The one who is righteous will live by faith'" (Galatians 3:10-11).

Justification is by the faith system, not the law of Moses.

--BereanDAD2003

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Hi, your (our) missives come from knowledge. Surely we are 180 degrees apart!!

You no doubt will find NOTHING much in the Master's Words of EVERLASTING Gospel & EVERLASTING Covenant. The ones of Heb. 5 are still in the 'weaning' stage of Christian life, if that far? Then there are others seen in Heb. 6 who '[had] been made Partakers of the Holy Ghost' that are re/crucifying the Master afresh and are putting Him to an open shame'.

Some where you or I are in one of these class, unless we are seen in the positives of Rev. 12:17 'REMNANT'. But the thought from this end, is that [we], you and I are wasting the Master's time. See Titus 3:9-11. (regardless of you or myself, this IS STILL TRUTH!)

But just in case one of us are still having 'some' hope of Zeph. 1:12? Try reading & re/reading Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 for [your 'something new' F-O-O-L-I-S-H-N-E-S-S] (see the Master's Matt. 25 Wording)

And for the forum? The ones that think that this is kind of hard on this foolish [belief] that God's ETERNAL COVENANT (Heb. 13:20) has somehow gone by by? All that you need to do is ask yourself, & look around at the professed Christian denominations of these 'last days' and [see] that their no law doctrine has produced OPEN Sodom & Gomorrha professed Christians, and the cities around them!!! + ALL of the other stuff of Rev. 17:5! That END UP in Obad. 16!! :

----John

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

Well, thanks then for your bottom line. I like to know of ones teaching of 'Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant' lawless 'walk'. (it saves the Master's time)

It seems that I want absolutely [NO] part of your theology, for it was also originally started in heavens rebellion of LAW BREAKING!! 1 John 3:4. By the way, this created angel was not a Jew either!

The Jews of Paul's time made the very same mistake as you.

The 10 Commandments is the OLD Covenant. We follow the Spirit, not the Law.

Be reminded the finger of God wrote the 10 commandments.

Compare Matt 12:28, Luke 11:20 and John 8:6 for more insight.

Now how is following the Spirit of God turned into lawbreaking?

JMW

 

[archer]

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come
by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

If we look for salvation by the law of Moses, then we render the death of Christ needless: for to what purpose should he be appointed to die, if we might have been saved without it?
If the law could make us righteous, God wouldn't have sacrificed His Son (Luke 22:42).

The basis for our relationship with God is His unmerited grace God wants us to trust Him for our salvation rather than rely on our own righteousness of faith Hebrews 11:6; Ephesians 2:8) Our salvation is the work of God: He drew us to Himself, gave us faith and Imputed the righteousness of Christ to us Christ established the basis for salvation with His death on the cross As we Identify ourselves with Him by making Him our Lord. We share in His death resurrection, and life. Now we walk in the Spirit rather than in our corruption.

We do not frustrate the grace of God when we accept His numerous gifts we establish the grace of God in our lives. Our righteousness isn't based on our keeping the law but on the righteousness of Christ through faith. The faith that brings this righteous standing before God is the faith that manifests itself in the works of God (Romans 6:2: 1 John 3:9) We shouldn't misuse the grace of God as an excuse to continue in sin (1 Peter 2:16; Jude 4).

 

[Jay T]

Objection 16......

By preaching the law, True Christians endeavor to deprive the Modern Christian of the glorious liberty of the gospel.
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Do you feel deprived that God said: "Thou shalt not steal" ?

Do you feel deprived that God said: "Thou shalt not commit Adultery" ?

The modern Christian shouts: 'We are under grace, not under the law'.
Which can easily be taken as: Since we have grace now, we can break God's law as we feel.


Jsut why we who invoke only the grace of God to enable men to obey the command of God's to kep holy the 7th day, should be branded as legalists, while the hosts of Sundaykeepers who invoke the strong arm of the law in order to compel men to rest on the 1st day of the week.
Did you know that there are 'blue laws' (enforcement of Sunday) in almost every state in America ?

Also, most interesting, is the fact that Jesus kept the 10 commandments...and told us to do the same.
YET....those who follow Christ's example are called legalists.....Amazing !

 

[archer]

What is objection 16?

 

[Jay T]

What is objection 16?

Oh, that ?

It's a book called: 'Answers to Objections', by Francis D. Nichol (about 883 pages long)
It's divided into about 109 sections dealing with every objection that men, under the suggestions of Satan, have made towards Bible principles.

 

[Free]

By preaching the law, True Christians endeavor to deprive the Modern Christian of the glorious liberty of the gospel.

Does this mean that "Modern" Christians aren't "True" Christians?

and told us to do the same.

No he didn't.

 

[John the Baptist]

By preaching the law, True Christians endeavor to deprive the Modern Christian of the glorious liberty of the gospel.

Does this mean that "Modern" Christians aren't "True" Christians?

[quote:f7e4a]and told us to do the same.

No he didn't.[/quote:f7e4a]

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Hi, read the quote at the bottom of your pages. What [you say] the problem is with Christians.

The question is not about TRUE Christians being in these 'Folds', the questian is, are these 'FOLDS' Christian according to Christ & His Word???
If they were, why is He calling them OUT? See Rev. 18:4. Also John 10:16 say's OTHER FOLDS. He IS NOT IN THEM plain & simple! Or why MUST HIS ['OTHER' SHEEP] leave? (I MUST BRING) How about Rev. 3:9 & Matt. 23:38?? These 'folds' are DESOLATE OF CHRIST. So who is their 'leader', wheather some 'real saints' blind for now, know it not?

So: Bottom line is Rev. 17:5 in CAPS! And when these TRUE SHEEP are CALLED OUT as in Rev. 18:4, they MUST LEAVE or be lost. It is as simple as that! Who that loves Christ would want to be a PARTAKER of Heb. 6:6?
NONE :

 

[John the Baptist]

By preaching the law, True Christians endeavor to deprive the Modern Christian of the glorious liberty of the gospel.

Does this mean that "Modern" Christians aren't "True" Christians?

[quote:af7d3]and told us to do the same.

No he didn't.

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Hi, read the quote at the bottom of your pages. What [you say] the problem is with Christians.

The question is not about TRUE Christians being in these 'Folds', the questian is, are these 'FOLDS' Christian according to Christ & His Word???
If they were, why is He calling them OUT? See Rev. 18:4. Also John 10:16 say's OTHER FOLDS. He IS NOT IN THEM plain & simple! Or why MUST HIS ['OTHER' SHEEP] leave? (I MUST BRING) How about Rev. 3:9 & Matt. 23:38?? These 'folds' are DESOLATE OF CHRIST. So who is their 'leader', wheather some 'real saints' blind for now, know it not?

So: Bottom line is Rev. 17:5 in CAPS! And when these TRUE SHEEP are CALLED OUT as in Rev. 18:4, they MUST LEAVE or be lost. It is as simple as that! Who that loves Christ would want to be a PARTAKER of Heb. 6:6?
NONE :[/quote:af7d3]

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GOOD PRESENT DAY TRUTH QUESTIONS!

Yet, it seems that most are as silent as the Rev. 3:16-17 'LUKEWARM' pew warmers?? Who are these Rev. 3:9 ones that call themselves Jews? (spiritual Rom. 2 Christians) And why is the new leader replacing the one that these make a pretense to serve?

I suggest that you make every effort to wake up (Matt. 25) before the 'door is shut', if it has not already been shut. Again Matt. 25.
One more verse states that JUDGEMENT MUST FIRST BEGIN AT THE HOUSE OF GOD!

 

[evanman]

Ro 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 ¶ Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. When we get down to judging ourselves, our thoughts and deeds, we compare them with what? With the New Commandments that Christ gave us.

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
1Jo 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

The Law is essential to the believer:

Ro 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

We are supposed to fulfill the law of God

Ro 13:7 ¶ Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

The Law is perfect

Ps 19:7 ¶ The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

If I take something from someone without their permission what is that but stealing. How do I know? Because the law shows me. So I avoid stealing. The law is necessary, so don't poo-poo it!

No, keeping the law will not save

Eze 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

We aim for the target, we keep the standard high, but we must never forget mercy and justice over judgment of individuals. None of us can consider ourselves to be righteous because of the Law, we are righteous because we believe God's record concerning His Son Jesus Christ!

Ro 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 ¶ Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

 

[Elijah message]

Seem's some are missing the point.
Breaking ANY of the ten COMMANDMENTS KNOWINGLY? Places us [knowingly] in Heb. 6:6's passage! (or else we are seen in 1 John 2:4?)
We would rather die than keep on VIOLATING the VERY "EPISTLE" LETTER OF CHRIST'S CHARACTER, would we not??

---Elijah

 

[Jay T]

Seem's some are missing the point.
Breaking ANY of the ten COMMANDMENTS KNOWINGLY? Places us [knowingly] in Heb. 6:6's passage! (or else we are seen in 1 John 2:4?)
We would rather die than keep on VIOLATING the VERY "EPISTLE" LETTER OF CHRIST'S CHARACTER, would we not??

---Elijah

The point I like to bring out is.....Jesus Christ was sinless, right ?

And if Jesus Christ is living within the born-again Christian, controlling their thoughts and actions...would that person be sinning knowingly ?

The Christian world at large, needs to understand, what the Bible defines as sin.....or, they will be lost (as the people in Matthew 7:21-23) !