10 Reasons why Jesus is not God

[turnorburn]

What if he would have told Moses tell them Am Not sent you, or just pick a name Moses
and run with it. That name is so powerful they wanted to kill Jesus on the spot for using it.
That's what you should believe be not deceived. :smt045

 

[Orion]

That's a Home run, good post my friend :-D

But there was an error and the runner must, therefore, go back to second base.

How did his statement "hit a homerun" off of mine? :-?

 

[turnorburn]

It was the bottom of the ninth two out when the catcher dropped a past ball,
runner on third stole home :-D

 

[Orion]

We must be watching a different game, my friend. :wink:

 

[turnorburn]

I'm watching this one :wink:

 

[Gabe]

I've noticed a lot of posts from Muslims like Sakeena. Most try to hide there real reason for posting under the guise of wanting to learn. Her post may have been interesting had it not been for the unwarranted insults. At least posts like this keep us all entertained

 

[oneisgod]

Asalam Alaikum everyone,

10 Reasons why Jesus is not God
By Sami Zaatari
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SISTER SAKEENA

All very good except No. 6 as Islam does not grasp the idea that God's salvation for mankind has been a long term purpose and Jesus is the kingpin there is far more to it!

 

[turnorburn]

So what are you going to say when you kneel before him at
The White Throne Judgment? :naughty

 

[dentonz]

Asalam Alaikum Sakeena.

The titles that Lord Jesus used were Son of Man and Son of God. Muslims argue that He was not the Son of God because that is polytheism, but how could he be the Son of Man; he was not literally the Son of either. It simply means that he was of the same nature as both; he was fully human and fully God. So he was the Son of God because he is of the same nature Him.

This is a good website proving that Christ Jesus is Lord.

God bless

Now, HOW could you say that Jesus IS fully God when He sits at the 'right hand OF God'? And how also is this claim possible when we KNOW that there were 'things' that Christ ADMITTED that He did NOT know? A 'part of God' no doubt, but FULLY God? That would contradict the words of Christ Himself. For Christ stated that the Father, (God), was/is GREATER than He. And what kind of a God prays TO HIMSELF?

MEC

Regardless of whether or not you believe that the Bible specifically says that Jesus ever said that he was God, you must agree that Jesus at least said he was equal with God. Jesus also told his diciples that in his name they would heal the sick and cast out demons and so forth.

My point is, if you believe that Jesus was just another prophet of God, then you make him out to be a lunatic and a liar. Jesus is the one who said that he existed before Abraham, Jesus is the one who said that all power in Heaven and Earth were his, Jesus is the one who said that he was one with the Father. He said many more things that would be blasphemous for any prophet to say; therefore, he is either God manifested to us in the flesh, or he is a raving lunatic. He can't be just a prophet.

In Christ,
Denton

 

[Rocksolid]

Asalam Alaikum everyone,

Greetings.

10 Reasons why Jesus is not God

You can easily find Christian responses to those ten points you made. So, I'll just address your first point. Jesus was not all knowing. I believe that God limited himself to the flesh in Jesus. So, Jesus would not know anything that was not taught or revealed to him, the same as for you and me. This is not to say he's not God, it's to say that God put himself in a humble position. He came down to us, not as a super-being but as someone who could share our experience.

The Jews had Jesus killed because they understood that Jesus claimed to be God and Jesus did not deny it. Could you tell me why if Jesus is not God that he was crucified?

Your post brings a thought in me. Why don't Talmudists (Rabbinical Judaism) ever try to make the case with Christians that Jesus is not God? Why don't they ever share the Talmud's teaching on Jesus? They appear to have no more interest in sharing with us what they believe is divine truth than we have of sharing with our dogs what we believe is divine truth. Just an observation.

 

[Paidion]

Now, HOW could you say that Jesus IS fully God when He sits at the 'right hand OF God'? And how also is this claim possible when we KNOW that there were 'things' that Christ ADMITTED that He did NOT know? A 'part of God' no doubt, but FULLY God? That would contradict the words of Christ Himself. For Christ stated that the Father, (God), was/is GREATER than He. And what kind of a God prays TO HIMSELF?

MEC, what do you think of the following words?

To these impieties we cannot even listen, even though the heretics threaten us with a thousand deaths. But what we say and think we both have taught and continue to teach, that the Son is not unbegotten, nor part of the unbegotten in any way, nor is he derived from any substance; but that by his own will and counsel he existed before times and ages, fully God, only-begotten, unchangeable.

As you can see, this writer referred to the Son of God as "fully God". Yet this writer was the great antagonist of Trinitarianism in the fourth century. He was none other than Arius himself!

When we use the word "God", it is important to know what we mean. You seem to use the word as applying only to the Father. That's okay; that's the way it is usually used in the New Testament. But to understand what Arius meant, it is important to know that he wasn't using "God" as tantamount to "The Father". Rather he was using "God" in the sense of "Deity". Arius believed that Jesus was Deity, even though He believed that God begat him out of nothing, and that there was a time when the Son of God did not exist.

When a Trinitarian says that Jesus is "fully God", he does not mean that Jesus is "fully the Father". For the Trinitarian is using the word "God" as a compound, tripartate Being composed of three Divine Individuals, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This compound Being they call the Deity (or the Godhead). To support their concept of Jesus being "fully God", they would quote the Scripture that says, "In Him (Jesus) dwells the fullness of the Deity, bodily." (Colossians 2:9)

MEC, though you and I are not Trinitarians, it is important for us to understand Trinitarianism. For when we do, we will see that there is a sort of logic to it, and that it is not utterly ridiculous and foolish. When we oppose it, we should be sure we are opposing true Trinitarianism, and not some false concept of it, some straw man, which we have set up.

 

[thisistheway09]

Most scriptures that trinitarians say prove their theory can be explained with a little study. Very often the true meaning of such a text is clarified by the context of surrounding verses, and if it is in keeping with the entire Bible. I often wonder if people read the Biblefrom cover to cover would they come to the conclusion that Jesus Is God, most probably not!

Something that is also of interest is the account in Matthew 4:1 where Jesus was tmpted by Satan."Again, the devil taketh him unto an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;and he said unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Jesus was clearly tempted by satan and yet we read at James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man:

But what test of loyalty would that be if Jesus were God? Could God rebel against himself? . The temtation of Jesus would make sense only if he was, not God, but a separate individual who had his own free will, one who could have been disloyal had he chosen to be, such as an angel or a human.

On the other hand, it is unimaginable that God could sin and be disloyal to himself.

 

[Free]

I often wonder if people read the Biblefrom cover to cover would they come to the conclusion that Jesus Is God, most probably not!

Actually, yes, they would. The doctrine of the Trinity makes the most sense of all that Scripture reveals about God. I don't see how one can read the Scriptures and come to any other conclusion. Theologically and philosophically the Trinity provides the best explanatory power.

But what test of loyalty would that be if Jesus were God? Could God rebel against himself? . The temtation of Jesus would make sense only if he was, not God, but a separate individual who had his own free will, one who could have been disloyal had he chosen to be, such as an angel or a human.

Like you said, people need to understand the context of the entire Bible.