Bible Study 121 Reasons why the NIV is a false bible

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KJV) "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."

(NIV) "and they went to another village."


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(2) (Matt. 18:11)


(KJV) "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(3) (Matt. 9:13)


(KJV) "...I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

(NIV) "...I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."


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(4) (Acts 8:37)


(KJV) "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(5) (Acts 9:5,6)


(KJV) "...the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city....."

(NIV) "...I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting, he replied. Now get up and go into the city....


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(6) (Col. 1:14)


(KJV) "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"

(NIV) "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."


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(7) (Gal. 6:15)


(KJV) "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."

(NIV) "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation."


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(8) (Gal. 4:7)


(KJV) "...thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

(NIV) "...you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir."


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(9) (Gal. 3:17)


(KJV) "...the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ....."

(NIV) "...the covenant previously established by God"


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(10) (1 Cor. 9:18)


Paul said that he would-

(KJV) "...make the gospel of Christ without charge...."

(NIV) "...offer it free of charge...."


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(11) (Rom 1:16)


(KJV) "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ...."

(NIV) "I am not ashamed of the gospel...."


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(12) (John 6:47)


(KJV) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."

(NIV) "I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life."


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(13) (1 Pet. 4:1)


(KJV) "Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh...."

(NIV) "Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body...."


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(14) (1 Cor. 5:7)


(KJV) "Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:...."

(NIV) "For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed...."


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(15) (1 John 5:13)


(KJV) "...and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(16) (Eph. 4:6)


By the ommision of one word the NIV lends credibility to the heresy that all men are saved.

(KJV) "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

(NIV) "one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."


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(17) (Rev. 21:24)


(KJV) "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it...."

(NIV) "The nations will walk by its light...."


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(18) (Acts 28:29)


(KJV) "And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)



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CHRIST'S ETERNAL EXISTENCE

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(19) (Mic. 5:2)


(KJV) "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, [from everlasting]."

(NIV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, [from ancient times]."



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CHRIST'S DEITY

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(20) (1 Tim. 3:16)


By the changing of one word a verse can be rendered ineffective in declaring the deity of Christ.

(KJV) "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [God] was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

(NIV) "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: [He] appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory."


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(21) (Phil. 2:5,6)


(KJV) "...Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, [thought it not robbery to be equal with God]:"

(NIV) "...Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, [did not consider equality with God something to be grasped],"


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(22) (Rev. 1:8-13)


(KJV) "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. {9} I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. {10} I...heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, {11} Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book...." {12} And I turned to see...And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; {13} And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto [the Son of man]...."

(NIV) "(Rev 1:8-13 NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." {9} I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. {10} ....I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, {11} which said: "Write on a scroll what you see...." {12} I turned around to see ...And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, {13} and among the lampstands was someone "like [a son of man]...."


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(23) (1 John 5:7,8)


(KJV) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. {8} And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

(NIV) "For there are three that testify: {8} the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."


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(24) (1 Pet. 3:15)


(KJV) "But sanctify the [Lord God] in your hearts...."

(NIV) "But in your hearts set apart [Christ as Lord]."


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(25) (Jude 25)


(KJV) "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen."

(Notice the additional words that are added in the NIV. These are underlined)

(NIV) "to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, [through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages], now and forevermore! Amen."


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(26) (Acts 15:18)


(KJV) "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world."

(NIV) "that have been known for ages." (This is the entire verse)



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DEITY PROVABLE IN CHRIST AS JUDGE

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(27) (Rom. 14:10-12)


(KJV) "...for we shall all stand before the [judgment seat of Christ]. {11} For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. {12} So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

(NIV) "...For we will all stand before [God's judgment seat]. {11} It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'" {12} So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.


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(28) (Rev. 20:12)


(KJV) "And I saw the dead, small and great, [stand before God]...."

(NIV) "And I saw the dead, great and small, [standing before the throne]..."


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(29) (Heb. 10:30)


(KJV) "...Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord...."

(NIV) "...It is mine to avenge; I will repay..."


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(30) (Rev. 14:5)


(KJV) "And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

(NIV) "No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless."



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CHRIST AS CREATOR

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(31) (Eph. 3:9)


(KJV) "...which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"

(NIV) "...which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."



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CHRIST THE SON OF GOD

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(32) (Eph 3:14)


(KJV) "For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,"

(NIV) "For this reason I kneel before the Father,"


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(33) (John 9:35)


Jesus asked the man born blind-

(KJV) "Dost thou believe on the [Son of God]?"

(NIV) "Do you believe in the [Son of Man]?"


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(34) (Acts 3:13)


(KJV) "the God of our fathers, hath glorified his [Son Jesus]...."

(NIV) "the God of our fathers, has glorified his [servant Jesus]...."


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(35) (Acts 3:26)


(KJV) "God, having raised up [his Son] Jesus...."

(NIV) "God raised up [his servant]...."


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(36) (Matt. 24:36)


Jesus referred to His Father as-

(KJV) "....[my] Father...."

(NIV) "....[the] Father...."


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(37) (John 1:27)


John the Baptist in Proper Humility Declared:

(KJV) "He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me...."

(NIV) "He is the one who comes after me...."


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(38) (John 6:69)


Peter confessed-

(KJV) "And we believe and are sure that [thou art that Christ, the Son] of the living God."

(NIV) "We believe and know that [you are the Holy One] of God."



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VIRGIN BIRTH

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(39) (Luke 2:33)


(KJV) "And [Joseph] and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him...."

(NIV) "The [child's father] and mother marveled at what was said about him."


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(40) (Luke 2:43)


Luke again referred to--

(KJV) "...[Joseph and his mother]...."

(NIV) "...[his parents]...."



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ALSO CONCERNING CHRIST'S BIRTH

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(41) (Luke 1:28)


The angels greeting to Mary was-

(KJV) "...the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."

(NIV) "...The Lord is with you."


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(42) (Matt. 1:25)


(KJV) "...she had brought forth her firstborn son...."

(NIV) "...she gave birth to a son...."



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CHRIST'S INCARNATION

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(43) (Eph. 5:30)


(KJV) "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones."

(NIV) "for we are members of his body."


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(44) (Acts 2:30)


(KJV) "...that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;"

(NIV) "...that he would place one of his descendants on his throne."


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(45) (1 John 4:3)


(KJV) "...And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God...."

(NIV) "...but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God...."



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CHRIST'S OMNIPRESENCE

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(46) (John 3:13)


(KJV) "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

(NIV) "No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man."



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WORSHIP OF CHRIST

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(47) (Matt. 9:18)


(KJV) "...behold, there came a certain ruler, and [worshipped him]...."

(NIV) "...a ruler came and [knelt before him]...."


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(48) (Matt. 8:2)


(KJV) "And, behold, there came a leper and [worshipped him]...."

(NIV) "A man with leprosy came and [knelt before him]...."



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CHRIST'S COMMISSION

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(49) (Acts 15:18)


(KJV) "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world."

(NIV) "that have been known for ages."


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(50) (John 9:4)


Jesus acknowledged:

(KJV) " must work the works of him that sent me...."

(NIV) "...[we] must do the work of him who sent me...."


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(51) (Luke 2:49)


(KJV) "...wist ye not that [I must be about my Father's business]?"

(NIV) "...Didn't you know [I had to be in my Father's house]?"


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(52) (Acts 7:37)


Stephen, quoting Moses stated:

(KJV) "...A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear."

(NIV) "...God will send you a prophet...."



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CHRIST'S MIRACLES

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(53) (John 5:4)


John furnished this important background for the miracle of healing that Jesus preformed at the pool of Bethesda.

(KJV) "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(54) (Luke 8:43)


Regarding the woman with the issue of blood, Luke the physician tells us that she-

(KJV) "...had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,"

(NIV) "...but no one could heal her."


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(55) (John 11:41)


Regarding the death of Lazarus:

(KJV) "...Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid...."

(NIV) "...So they took away the stone...."


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(56) (Mark 1:31)


When Jesus healed Peter's mother-in-law-

(KJV) "...immediately the fever left her...."

(NIV) "...The fever left her...."


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(57) (John 6:11)


When Jesus fed the multitude-

(KJV) "...he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down...."

(NIV) "(Jesus)...distributed to those who were seated...."


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(58) (Mark 6:51)


After Jesus walked on the sea and calmed the storm, His disciples-

(KJV) "...were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered."

(NIV) "...were completely amazed...."


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(59) (Luke 9:7)


After Jesus walked on the sea and calmed the storm, His disciples-

(KJV) "...Herod the tetrarch heard of [all that was done by him]...."

(NIV) "...Herod the tetrarch heard about [all that was going on]...."


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(60) (Mark 6:33)


Concerning Christ's popularity Mark wrote:

(KJV) "...and many [knew him]...and came together unto him...."

(NIV) "...But many...[recognized them]...."


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(61) (Mark 3:15)


Christ gave His disciples-

(KJV) "...power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:"

(NIV) "...authority to drive out demons."



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CHRIST THE COMFORTER

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(62) (Luke 4:18)


(KJV) "...he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives...."

(NIV) "...He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners...."


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(63) (Luke 8:48)


Jesus said to the woman with the issue of blood-

(KJV) "...be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole...."

(NIV) "...your faith has healed you...."


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(64) (Luke 10:19)


Jesus stated-

(KJV) "...and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

(NIV) "...nothing will harm you...."


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(65) (Luke 2:14)


At the birth of Jesus the Angels proclaimed:

(KJV) "...peace, [good will toward men]."

(NIV) "...peace [to men on whom his favor rests]...."



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CHRIST'S TEACHINGS AND WORDS

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(66) (Matt. 5:44)


(KJV) "...Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

(NIV) "...Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"


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(67) (Mark 11:26)


(KJV) "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(68) (Matt. 20:16)


(KJV) "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."

(NIV) "So the last will be first, and the first will be last."


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(69) (Mark 6:11)


(KJV) "...Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(70) (Matt. 23:14)


(KJV) "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(71) (Mark 10:24)


(KJV) "...Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!"

(NIV) "...Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!"


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(72) (Luke 4:4)


(KJV) "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."

(NIV) "Jesus answered, It is written: Man does not live on bread alone."


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(73) (Luke 9:55)


(KJV) "...Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(74) (Mark 7:16)


(KJV) "If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(75) (Luke 20:23)


Jesus told others who tried to "take hold of His words"

(KJV) "Why tempt ye me?"

(NIV) (omitted)



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STATEMENTS REMOVED THAT CONVICT THOSE WHO CORRUPT SCRIPTURES

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(76) (Acts 23:9)


(KJV) "...let us not fight against God."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(77) (John 8:9)


(KJV) "...they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out..."

(NIV) "...those who heard began to go away...."


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(78) (1 Tim. 6:5)


(KJV) "...from such withdraw thyself."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(79) (Phil. 3:16)


(KJV) "...rule, let us mind the same thing."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(80) (Gal. 3:1)


(KJV) "...who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth..."

(NIV) "...Who has bewitched you?...."


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(81) (Rom 14:21)


(KJV) "...whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak"

(NIV) "...that will cause your brother to fall."


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(82) (Rom 10:15)


(KJV) "...them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"

(NIV) "...those who bring good news!"


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(83) (2 Cor. 2:17)


(KJV) "...we are not as many, which [corrupt the word of God]...."

(NIV) "...Unlike so many, we do not [peddle the word of God for profit]...."



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JESUS'S STATEMENTS omitted IN NIV
(all bold face text omitted)

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(84) KJV Version


Matt. 15:6
"And honour not his fatheror his mother...."

Matt. 19:9
"and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

Mark 9:49
"...and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt."

Mark 10:21
"...come, takeup the cross, and follow me."

Rev. 2:13
"I know thy works, and where thou dwellest...."

Luke 4:8
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan...."

Mark 7:8
"...tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."

Mark 8:26
"...Neither go into the town, nor tell it to any in the town."

Matt. 20:7
"...and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive."

Matt. 15:8
"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth..."

Mark 13:14
"...the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet...."

Matt 24:7
"...and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes...."

Luke 11:11
"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone?...."

Matt. 5:22
"whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment...."




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JESUS'S STATEMENTS RECONSTRUCTED

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(85) (Matt. 18:22)


(KJV) "...I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, [Until seventy times seven]..."

(NIV) "..."I tell you, not seven times, [but seventy-seven times]...."


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(86) (Matt. 6:27)


(KJV) "Which of you by taking thought can [add one cubit unto his stature]?"

(NIV) "Who of you by worrying can [add a single hour to his life]?"


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(87) (Luke 14:5)


(KJV) "Which of you shall have [an ass] or an ox fallen into a pit...."

(NIV) "If one of you has [a son] or an ox that falls into a well...."


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(88) (Matt. 11:19)


(KJV) "...wisdom is [justified of her children]."

(NIV) "...wisdom is [proved right by her actions]."


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(89) (Matt. 19:17)


(KJV) "...Why [callest thou me good?]."

(NIV) "..."Why [do you ask me about what is good]?"


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(90) (John 14:2)


(KJV) "In my Father's house are many [mansions]...."

(NIV) "In my Father's house are many [rooms]...."


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(91) (Mark 14:24)


(KJV) "...This is my blood of the new testament...."

(NIV) "This is my blood of the covenant...."


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(92) (Luke 6:48)


(KJV) "...it was [founded upon a rock]."

(NIV) "...it was [well built]."


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(93) (Luke 9:62)


(KJV) "...is fit for the kingdom of God."

(NIV) "...is fit for service in the kingdom of God."



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RECONSTRUCTED VERSES
(giving an entirely different meaning in the NIV)

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Rev. 8:13
(KJV) an angel
(NIV) an eagle

Eph. 5:9
(KJV) the Spirit
(NIV) the light

Col. 4:15
(KJV) his house
(NIV) her house

Luke 4:44
(KJV) the synagogues of Galilee
(NIV) the synagogues of Judea

Heb. 9:11
(KJV) good things to come
(NIV) good things that are already here

Luke 11:41
(KJV) alms of such things as ye have
(NIV) what is inside the dish

Col. 4:8
(KJV) he might know your estate
(NIV) you may know about our circumstances

Rev. 22:14
(KJV) do his commandments
(NIV) wash their robes

Rev. 5:10
(KJV) us unto our God kings and priests
(NIV) them to be a kingdom and priests

Rev. 13:1
(KJV) I (John) stood upon the sand of the sea


(NIV) the dragon (Satan) stood on the shore of the sea


It's no wonder why Biblical clashes to the embarrassment of both the teacher and students happen when both the KJV and modern translations are utilized in Bible studies?



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CHRIST'S TEACHING ON ETERNAL PUNISHMENT

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(95) (Mark 9:45)


(KJV) "...into the fire that shall never be quenched:"

(NIV) (omitted)


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(96) (Mark 9:44)


(KJV) "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(97) (Mark 9:46)


(KJV) "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(98) (John 3:15)


(KJV) "...should not perish...."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(99) (Luke 10:15)


(KJV) "...shalt [be thrust down to hell]"

(NIV) "...will [go down to the depths]...."


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(100) (Mark 3:29)


(KJV) "...is [in danger of eternal damnation]:"

(NIV) "...is [guilty of an eternal sin]."


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(101) (2 Pet. 2:17)


(KJV) "...to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever."

(NIV) "...Blackest darkness is reserved for them."


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(102) (1 Thess. 2:16)


(KJV) "...for the wrath is come upon them [to the uttermost]."

(NIV) "...The wrath of God has come upon them [at last]."


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(103) (Col 3:6)


(KJV) "...the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:"

(NIV) "...the wrath of God is coming."


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(104) (Col 3:6)


Peter prophesied: "the earth ...and the works that are therein-

(KJV) "...shall be [burned up]."

(NIV) "...will be [laid bare]."



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CHRIST'S TEACHING ON PRAYER & FASTING

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(105) (Mark 13:33)


(KJV) "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is."

(NIV) "Be on guard! Be alert ! You do not know when that time will come."


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(106) (Mark 9:29)


(KJV) "...This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."

(NIV) "...This kind can come out only by prayer."


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(107) (Matt. 17:21)


(KJV) "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting."

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(108) (Acts 10:30)


(KJV) "...I was fasting ill this hour"

(NIV) (omitted)


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(109) (Luke 11:2)


(KJV) "...Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth."

(NIV) "...Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come."


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(110) (Matt. 6:13)


(KJV) "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us [from evil]: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."

(NIV) "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us [from the evil one]."



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THE CROSS, TRIAL, CRUCIFIXION, AND RESURRECTION

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(111) (John 5:16)


(KJV) "...and sought to slay him...."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(112) (Luke 11:54)


(KJV) "...that they might accuse him...."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(114) (John 13:23)


In the last supper John is-

(KJV) "...leaning [on Jesus' bosom]...."

(NIV) "...reclining [next to him]...."


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(115) (1 Cor. 11:24)


(KJV) "...Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you...."

(NIV) "...This is my body, which is for you...."


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(116) (Luke 22:64)


After Jesus' arrest-

(KJV) "...they struck him on the face...."

(NIV) (omitted)


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(117) (Luke 22:68)


Jesus said to the Sanhedrin

(KJV) "...ye will not answer me, nor let me go...."

(NIV) "...you would not answer."


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(118) (Luke 23:15)


Pilate reminded the cheif priests and rulers of how he had sent them to Herod saying:

(KJV) "...for [I sent you to him]"

(NIV) "...for [he sent him back to us]"


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(119) (Luke 23:17)


Concerning Pilates attempt to release Jesus:

(KJV) "(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)"

(NIV) (whole verse omitted)


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(120) (John 18:40)


Concerning Barabbas, John informs us that he-

(KJV) "...[was a robber]."

(NIV) "...[had taken part in a rebellion]."


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(121) (Luke 23:23)


Regarding the people's demand for Christ's crucifixion, Luke wrote:

(KJV) "...And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed."

(NIV) "...and their shouts prevailed."

 

[Skipdawg]

You may also find this on interest is such a study. :wink:
http://www.tmbible.com/BWCcitations.htm

 

[PHIL121]

Ahhh...Ye Olde King James Only fanatics..... :roll:

Well, let's see the first post omits the fact, that omitted verses are included in the footnotes (at least in my Bible). Besides that, I don't see much difference in the translations.

As for the second post....

This link http://www.tmbible.com/BWCcitations.htm is an OBVIOUS ADVERTISEMENT for the "Third Millenium Bible". Sanning over I noted with interest how that Bible, as well as the KJV, translates Exodus 20:13 as "Thou shall not kill" instead of "Thou shall not murder". The actual Hebrew word IS BETTER TRANSLATED as "murder.

"We're not like those hucksters-and there are many of them-- whose idea of getting out the Gospel is making a good living out of it"....2 Corinthians 2:17, The Living Bible

 

[von]

That was very interesting. I knew the NIV had some things twisted but I didn't know they omitted verses. Thanks for the eyeopener.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Is it any wonder that so many (all?) Christian denominations are so messed up? It's also little wonder, these days perhaps more than ever before, why it's become so difficult to 'recruit' new converts to Christianity. What are they to believe? ...a belief to one is a heresy to another. Maybe Heidi can sort this one out. ;-)

 

[Solo]

I used to have a NIV study bible, but I noticed many differences between the KJV and the NIV, therefore, I threw the NIV in the trash. Thanks for the post Tzalam2.

 

[PHIL121]

I used to have a NIV study bible, but I noticed many differences between the KJV and the NIV, therefore, I threw the NIV in the trash. Thanks for the post Tzalam2.

And thanks for that post Solo....another addition to the "ignore list :-?

 

[Free]

I'm with Phil on this one. Nothing like assuming one version is correct and then using it to show that others are "false".

 

[tzalam2]

Well, let's see the first post omits the fact, that omitted verses are included in the footnotes (at least in my Bible). Besides that, I don't see much difference in the translations.

@@@@what differences DO you see?

Not every omitted verse is in your footnotes.
Besides,why omit?
When you teach a child how to read, how many letters of the alphabet
is it acceptable to leave out?
Are you not lying to the child, by the sin of omission?

 

[Free]

Not every omitted verse is in your footnotes.
Besides,why omit?

Why does it never occur to KJV people that just perhaps the KJ adds verses? We have far more manuscripts available today than did the translators of the KJV and TR, and this is why the NIV and NASB use notes to state that certain verses aren't in the oldest manuscripts, or that most manuscripts do not contain certain verses. But it is error to simply think that other versions are wrong because they seemingly omit verses.

 

[tzalam2]

Not every omitted verse is in your footnotes.
Besides,why omit?

Why does it never occur to KJV people that just perhaps the KJ adds verses? We have far more manuscripts available today than did the translators of the KJV and TR, and this is why the NIV and NASB use notes to state that certain verses aren't in the oldest manuscripts, or that most manuscripts do not contain certain verses. But it is error to simply think that other versions are wrong because they seemingly omit verses.

Because most people who adhere to the KJV have done sufficient research into the origins of the bible versions, and know the KJV is
faithfully translated, and trustworthy.
Why stay with a bible, such as NIV, or TLB, etc., that you KNOW has errors?
Makes no sense to me.

 

[Free]

Because most people who adhere to the KJV have done sufficient research into the origins of the bible versions

That is highly unlikely, unless one considers reading such tripe as New Age Bible Versions research. It's rather funny how all of those people I know who have thoroughly studied Greek think that there are versions which are better than the KJV. It is a good version and it is very poetic, but it has it's errors just like every other version and is not as good as some.

Why stay with a bible, such as NIV, or TLB, etc., that you KNOW has errors?
Makes no sense to me.

Of course it doesn't because you fail to acknowledge the errors in the KJV.

 

[tzalam2]

For a good background on why the KJV is the only reliable
Bible text,
please read here:

http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/

Surely you were taught COMPLETE history, in skrool, and you learned
about John Wycliffe, Myles Coverdale, the Lollards, and William Tyndale.

http://www.wycliffe.org/history/JWycliff.htm

Tyndale worked to completed his New Testament in English. inquisitors and bounty hunters were on Tyndale's trail in an attempt to prevent the Bible from being translated into English. Nevertheless, in 1525 Tyndale printed the first translation of New Testament in English. The Bishop of London took steps to confiscate and burn them as they found their way into England, but copies continued to circulate among Christians, this despite the fact that possession of one of Tyndale's New Testaments carried a penalty of death by burning.

Betrayed by a friend, Tyndale was eventually taken into custody. Imprisoned for more than a year, he was strangled and burned at the stake in 1536. Only two copies of his first printing of the New Testament in English are known to have survived.

Myles Coverdale and John Rogers assisted Tydale during the last six years of life, carrying the project forward after his death. Coverdale finished translating the Old Testament, and in 1535 he printed the first complete Bible in the English language, using Luther's German text and the Latin as sources. Thus, the first translation of the complete Bible was printed on October 4, 1535, and is known as the Coverdale Bible.


Here's a comprehensive list of more versions, and what
verses were taken from THEM:
http://www.ryanhicksministries.com/niv4.htm

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/transtoc.htm
The King James Version translators took the baton passed on to them by devout men and martyrs who translated before them. Men like John Wiclif, aka "The Morning Star of the Reformation" who was the first to translate the entire Bible into English. Although he only had the Latin Vulgate to work with, you can see his influence on Tyndale's translation and ultimately our Authorized Version. Like Martin Luther, Dr. Wiclif was a member of the Romish religion when he was awakened to the truth through the reading of the scriptures. He spoke out vehemently against the Romish rites and practices which at that time had a stranglehold on the land. His followers were called Lollards and they went out like circuit preachers spreading the doctrine of Christ. Dr. Wiclif wrote tracts and spoke out against error. He was severely persecuted by the Romish religion while alive and was banished from Oxford and his professorship by order of the king. Nevertheless, the Lord delivered him out of Romish hands many times and allowed him to continue his translation work. In 1428, about 44 years after his death, Pope Martin V commanded Dr. Wiclif's bones to be dug up and burned as an arch heretick.

William Tyndale who translated from the Textus Receptus line, was strangled and burned at the stake by the Catholic religion because of translating the Bible. Time fails me here to speak of John Rogers, Myles Coverdale and others who labored AND DIED that we might have the word of God in our hands. The Authorized Version is a Book forged in blood, sweat and tears. Treasure it. The King James translators said this of the cumulative nature of their work--

"Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one...but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one..."
Please do not be deceived into thinking that the King James Bible is only an amalgamation of previous translations. These scholars consulted the original languages and related languages.

"Neither did we think much to consult the Translators or Commentators, Chaldee, Hebrew, Syrian, Greek or Latin, no nor the Spanish, French, Italian, or Dutch; neither did we disdain to revise that which we had done, and to bring back to the anvil that which we had hammered: but having and using as great helps as were needful, and fearing no reproach for slowness, nor coveting praise for expedition, we have at length, through the good hand of the Lord upon us, brought the work to that pass that you see."

 

[Solo]

Why stay with a bible, such as NIV, or TLB, etc., that you KNOW has errors?
Makes no sense to me.

Of course it doesn't because you fail to acknowledge the errors in the KJV.

It amazes me that those who attack the KJV as being a book of errors would stand for the NIV as being a good version even though it was just shown to have many, many errors. This inspite of not showing the errors in the KJV. My 22 years of Christian experience in my 50 years of life have shown me the errors in liberal theology and the books that they adhere to.

Tzalam2 has done a great job in showing the problems with the new liberal theology version of Bibles.

 

[von]

I am begining to see why so many "Christians" just live anyway they want and think nothing is a sin. Almost every church I know uses the NIV version. What a shame, they aren't even getting a chance to know the truth. I realize that the KJV is not exactly right, but it is the closest. I feel safe in saying that if we had the original Bible there would be alot more required of us. Out of curiosity who translated the NIV?

 

[Free]

It amazes me that those who attack the KJV as being a book of errors would stand for the NIV as being a good version even though it was just shown to have many, many errors.

And it amazes me that those who attack the NIV as being a book of errors would stand for the KJV as being a good version even though it was just shown that their arguments were baseless and not rational for saying that NIV is the one with the errors.

This inspite of not showing the errors in the KJV.

Shall we talk unicorns Solo?

Tzalam2 has done a great job in showing the problems with the new liberal theology version of Bibles.

Except showing that the NIV is a liberal version.

I am begining to see why so many "Christians" just live anyway they want and think nothing is a sin. Almost every church I know uses the NIV version.

And of course you realize that your argument has zero to do with the use of the NIV.

What a shame, they aren't even getting a chance to know the truth. I realize that the KJV is not exactly right, but it is the closest.

I disagree, other than the "KJV is not exactly right" part.

I feel safe in saying that if we had the original Bible there would be alot more required of us.

I agree.

Out of curiosity who translated the NIV?

I forget. Who translated the KJV?

 

[Solo]

It amazes me that those who attack the KJV as being a book of errors would stand for the NIV as being a good version even though it was just shown to have many, many errors.

And it amazes me that those who attack the NIV as being a book of errors would stand for the KJV as being a good version even though it was just shown that their arguments were baseless and not rational for saying that NIV is the one with the errors.

This inspite of not showing the errors in the KJV.

Shall we talk unicorns Solo?

Tzalam2 has done a great job in showing the problems with the new liberal theology version of Bibles.

Except showing that the NIV is a liberal version.

I am begining to see why so many "Christians" just live anyway they want and think nothing is a sin. Almost every church I know uses the NIV version.

And of course you realize that your argument has zero to do with the use of the NIV.

What a shame, they aren't even getting a chance to know the truth. I realize that the KJV is not exactly right, but it is the closest.

I disagree, other than the "KJV is not exactly right" part.

I feel safe in saying that if we had the original Bible there would be alot more required of us.

I agree.

Out of curiosity who translated the NIV?

I forget. Who translated the KJV?

I'll take unicorns in the KJV and you can take the NIV's removal of the work of Jesus Christ and his salvation through his blood.

One instance as you supply in the unicorn instance does not come close to the garbage of the NIV.

 

[Solo]

I am begining to see why so many "Christians" just live anyway they want and think nothing is a sin. Almost every church I know uses the NIV version. What a shame, they aren't even getting a chance to know the truth. I realize that the KJV is not exactly right, but it is the closest. I feel safe in saying that if we had the original Bible there would be alot more required of us. Out of curiosity who translated the NIV?

The International Bible Society sponsored the NIV translation just as they were behind the "gender-neutral" TNIV version of the NIV.


http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_christ.html
http://www.bible-researcher.com/tniv4.html
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?Id=12653

http://www.rae.org/versions.html


Here is a good website for Bible researchers
http://www.bible-researcher.com/index.html

 

[Free]

I'll take unicorns in the KJV and you can take the NIV's removal of the work of Jesus Christ and his salvation through his blood.

You going to ignore what the NIV makes so clear? That argument is certainly based on ignorance of what the NIV actually does state. I'm certainly not going to ignore what either make clear.

One instance as you supply in the unicorn instance does not come close to the garbage of the NIV.

Quite right you are. The certainty of mythical beasts is on a whole other level than alleged omission of verses.

 

[yesha]

Luke 5:39
39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better.'"
(NIV)

Before translating a bible, one must first decide exactly what to translate.
Because not all early manuscripts are the same, there can be differences in what is translated. When presented with the problem that one manuscript has a verse, and another one doesn't, what do you do? Reason says you take the oldest as the most probably correct, as long as it seems reliable, and footnote any changes that might be important for someone reading it. So omitted verses are not problems of translation, but rather problems of what verses are to be considered scripture. You have the same problem reading it in the original language.

For problems of translation, one need only to consult what was translated in the original language to see how well it was translated. Older translations are usually inferior because they do not benefit from the most recent research. For example at some point it was discovered that a certain word refers to the varnish that covers pottery. Modern tranlations reflect this, while older ones guess at the meaning of the word.

Another solution, which is probably the best for most people is to reference from MANY TRANSLATIONS, and then discern the meaning. One should probably never derive any doctrinal stance off something that can only be read in one translation.

I'll demonstrate more translations for the first two (that have their scripture referenced)

(2) (Matt. 18:11)
(KJV) "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."
no footnotes
(NIV) (whole verse omitted)
footnote: 11 The Son of Man came to save what was lost.
(NKJ) "For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost."
footnote: NU-Text omits this verse.
(NASB) ["for the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.]
footnote: Early mss do note contain this v
(NRSV) (whole verse omitted)
footnote: Other ancient authorities add verse 11, For the Son of Man came to save the lost
(HCSB) [For the Son of Man has come to save the lost.]
footnote: Other mss omit bracketed text

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(3) (Matt. 9:13)
(KJV) "...I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
no footnotes
(NIV) "...I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
no footnotes
(NKJ) "... For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance"
footnote: NU-Text omits to repentance.
(NASB) "I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE," for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
footnote: I.e. more then (placed on the AND)
(NRSV) I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have come to call not the righteous but sinners.
no footnotes
(HCSB) I desire mercy and not sacrifice. For I didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners.
footnote: Other mss add to repentance


Neither of these demonstate a translation issue, however, if accuracy is really a concern then you cannot use any single translation anyway (for you can't perfectly translate from one language to another), and further you must commit yourself to the study of which manuscripts these translations are based on, and how they differ.

For information about the translators of the NIV see the preface
from http://www.hissheep.org/kjv/preface_to_ ... bible.html
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Responsibility for the new version was delegated by the Palos Heights group to a self-governing body of fifteen, the Committee on Bible Translation, composed for the most part of biblical scholars from colleges, universities and seminaries. In 1967 the New York Bible Society (now the International Bible Society) generously undertook the financial sponsorship for the project - sponsorship that made it possible to enlist the help of many distinguished scholars. The fact that participants from the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand worked together gave the project its international scope. That they were from many denominations - including Anglican, Assemblies of God, Baptist, Brethren, Christian Reformed, Church of Christ, Evangelical Free, Lutheran, Mennonite, Methodist, Nazarene, Presbyterian, Wesleyan and other churches - helped to safeguard the translation from sectarian bias.

How it was made helps to give the New International Version its distinctiveness. The translation of each book was assigned to a team of scholars. Next, one of the Intermediate Editorial Committees revised the initial translation, with constant reference to the Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. Their work then went on to one of the General Editorial committees, which checked it in detail and made another thorough version. This revision in turn was carefully reviewed by the Committee on Bible Translation, which made further changes and then released the final version for publication. In this way the entire Bible underwent three revisions, during each of which the translation was examined for its faithfulness to the original languages and for its English style.
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