Bible Study 14 Abib Lords Supper

[GodsGrace]

Is Nisan 15 the 'feast day' or the 'day of preparation'?
Do you believe the Last Supper was a Seder?

Okay. This is more along the lines of what I was asking, regarding Nisan 15.
I think John DB has answered regarding travellers being allowed to celebrate the Passover the day before, which would have been Thrusday of the Last Supper. If you could celebrate Passover EITHER on Thursday OR Friday, it would reconcile the "discrepancy."

See Luke 22:7-8
verse 7: The first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover Lamb had to be sacrificed. (so was the lamb sacrificed on Thurs or Fri as per link and other opinions?)

verse 8: Jesus sent Peter and John to prepare for the Passover.

So it would seem that Thursday was the Passover OR they were preparing for the Friday Passover, but then why consume the meal on Thursday? JohnDB did reply to this.

I hope this comes through.

Relationship between Passover and Jesus' crucifixion.

Won't work, here's the link:
http://www.thesimpletruth.net/booklet/passover.html

Also, Sinthesis, here it says that Jesus was sacrificed at the same time as the lambs were being sacrificed for the Passover. Here:
On the 14th day of the month of Abib Jesus was crucified, or sacrificed. On the very same afternoon that the Passover lambs were being killed as a sacrifice, Jesus - the Lamb of God- was being sacrificed for all of us

It's in the above link. I know there are other opinions, even Luke 22:7
I used to teach this and did much study on it but there were so many discrepancies or differing opinions that I had to state that it wasn't easy to figure out the chronology of events.

Really, this is the only reason I could be interested in this amount of detail.

Wondering

 

[for_his_glory]

editing

 

[GodsGrace]

Nisan 14 was the first day of unleavened bread when the lambs were to be slaughtered so Passover could be observed on Nisan 15. Thursday Jesus was being prepared as the Passover Lamb as he ate the Seder with His disciples that evening which probably was after sundown in order for it to be the beginning day of Nisan 15 as the beginning of a new day was at sundown unlike our beginning of days would be at midnight.

Thanks FHG
What confuses me is this Preparing For the Passover. (Luke 22:7-8)
Jesus did not prepare for the Passover which was on Friday -
He CONSUMED the Passover meal on Thursday. (It was definitely after sundown).
So He both prepared for it AND consumed it.
Shouldn't it have been consumed on Friday? (evening I mean - which would have been Saturday)
When did the rest of the population of Jerusalem celebrate and CONSUME the Passover meal?
The answer to the above re the population of Jerusalem might provide the answer I'm looking for.
(maybe. LOL)

Wondering

 

[Malachi]

What I'm asking is WHY did Jesus have the Last Supper on Thursday evening if Passover was on Friday?

Probably Wednesday rather than Thursday. And "Friday" actually began on Thursday evening (sunset). The Hebrew day began at sunset and ended the following sunset. For three days and three nights to be literally fulfilled the Last Supper would have to have been on Wednesday evening.

 

[dianegcook]

dianecook how does this look to you

1. John 12:1 gives us a starting time frame of 6 days before the passover. We know that Jesus was crucified on the same day as the passover feast which was instituted in Exodus 12:5-6 (the 14th day of the Jewish first month) We also know from Mat 12:40 that he was crucified on Wednesday. The time frame given in John 12:1 puts us 6 days back before the passover. The passover was obviously Wednesday so 6 days before Wednesday would be on Thursday.

2. Now watch the sequence of events in John chapter 12, John 12:12-15 says that he entered Jerusalem on the next day! It looks to me like it may have been a "palm Friday" instead of a "palm Sunday"!

3. We have some more information that we can look at to back this up! The book of Mark is going to list the days between Jesus entry into Jerusalem and the crucifixion day:

a) He rides into Jerusalem in Mark 11:1-10 (Friday according to John 12:1)
b) The next day occurs in Mark 11:12 where Jesus curses the fig tree (this would be Saturday) Saturday evening is in Mark 11:19.
c) The next day occurs in Mark 11:20 where Jesus sees the fig tree dried up. (this would be Sunday)
d) The next two days are accounted for in Mark 14:1 where a statement is made accounting for two more days. (this would account for Monday and Tuesday "After these two days it would be Wednesday and that is the day that Jesus was crucified.

I will look into it later, looks about right though..

 

[dianegcook]

We can not go by our Georgian calendar nor by how we define our 24 hour day as back then the Jews used a Jewish Lunar Calendar and defined their hours differently.

Thursday noon the sun starts to descend until sundown that starts a new day which would be Friday. 1 day
Friday noon the sun starts to descend until sundown that starts a new day which would be Saturday. 2nd day
Saturday noon the sun starts to descend until sundown that starts a new day which would be Sunday. 3rd day

On Friday between the third and sixth hour of the day Jesus was being crucified by the pronounced sentence on him and the scourging He endured before His death. At the sixth hour Jesus was nailed to the cross and the cross was raised and darkness filled the whole land. At the ninth hour Jesus died.

Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

A new day starts at sundown.
Jesus was crucified on the 14th of Nisan, the Preparation day..
He did not eat the Passover feast.
He was becoming our sacrificial lamb.
Our Tuesday sunset to Wed. Sunset
Passover,Pentecost, and Tabernacles, was a "holy convocation", a sabbath.
That Sabbath and the High Day, of John 19:31 was the Holy convocation, the first day of the Feast, which overshadowed the weekly Sabbath.
The high day of John 19:31, was the first day of the Feast.
The first day of the Feast was on the 15th of Nisan.
The 15th day of Nissan, commenced at sunset on what we should call the 14th.
6 days before the Passover, John 12:1 takes us back to the 9th of Nisan
"After two days is the passover" Matt.26:2, Mark 14:1 takes us to the 13th of Nisan
The first day of week, day of resurrection, Matt.28:1 was from our Saturday sunset to our Sunday sunset.

Reckoning back from this, 3 days and 3 nights , Matt.12:40, we arrive at the day of the burial, which must have been before sunset, on the 14th of Nisan, before our Wed. Sunset.
This makes the sixth day before the Passover, the 9th, to be our Thur. Sunset to Fri. Sunset
The Lord was buried, before our Wed.Sunset, because it was the Preparation day, the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, for that Sabbath day was a high day, not weekly Sabbath.

The Lord being crucified on preparation day, could not have eaten of the Passover lamb, which was not slain until the evening of the 14th, I.e.afternoon,
On that day the daily sacrifice was killed at the 6th hour, noon, and offered about the 7th hour, 1 p.m..
Thus, if the killing of the Passover lambs did not commence until about 4 hours after our Lord had been hanging upon the cross, and would not have been concluded at the 9th hour, 3p.m., when He gave up the ghost, no Passover lamb could have been eaten at the last supper on the previous evening...

 

[for_his_glory]

Thank you wondering as you made me rethink everything I have posted. In post # 9 I made mistakes on the dates and days. Here is what they should be. I also went back and spent the whole day studying this again and here is the complete of my study continuing from my OP as there were things that were revealed to me today.

April 2 Nisan 14 Wednesday (Tuesday nightfall to Wednesday nightfall) Day of Crucifixion

April 3 Nisan 15 Thursday (Wednesday nightfall to Thursday nightfall) Feast of Unleavened Bread known as the High Sabbath. High Sabbath is different than the weekly Sabbath that started Friday at sundown to Saturday sundown.

April 4 Nisan 16 Friday (Thursday nightfall to Friday nightfall) Weekly Sabbath begins

April 5 Nisan 17 Saturday (Friday nightfall to Saturday nightfall) Weekly Sabbath


Hebrew weekly Sabbath started Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown. This was a different Sabbath called a high Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This high Sabbath began the first day through the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread from Nisan 15 to Nisan 21. This was the Sabbath where Jesus had to be removed from the cross before the Feast of Unleavened Bread began on Nisan 15. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it was the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6, 7

Seeing that this was a High Sabbath that started on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread it would have been Tuesday Nisan 13 that Jesus would have had the Passover Seder meal with the disciples, went to pray in Gethsemane and was arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin. Wednesday morning, Nisan 14, Jesus was brought before Pilate who passed sentence on Jesus according to Roman law was scourged and nailed to the cross about the third hour and died at the ninth hour about the same time after noon when the Passover lambs were killed, Exodus 12:1-6.

Jesus was laid in the borrowed tomb on Wednesday evening, Nisan 14, before High Sabbath began at sundown making it Nisan 15. Jesus laid in the tomb from Nisan 14 until sometime before sunrise on Saturday Nisan 17 being the weekly Sabbath that started at sundown on Nisan 16 as this would have been three days and three nights fulfilling what he spoke in Matthew 12:40 and Mark 14:58. This did not violate the Torah that says no one is to work on the Sabbath, but Jesus being risen from the grave was not work, but Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath, Mark 2:23-28.

 

[Sinthesis]

Thank you wondering as you made me rethink everything I have posted. In post # 9 I made mistakes on the dates and days. Here is what they should be. I also went back and spent the whole day studying this again and here is the complete of my study continuing from my OP as there were things that were revealed to me today.

April 2 Nisan 14 Wednesday (Tuesday nightfall to Wednesday nightfall) Day of Crucifixion

April 3 Nisan 15 Thursday (Wednesday nightfall to Thursday nightfall) Feast of Unleavened Bread known as the High Sabbath. High Sabbath is different than the weekly Sabbath that started Friday at sundown to Saturday sundown.

April 4 Nisan 16 Friday (Thursday nightfall to Friday nightfall) Weekly Sabbath begins

April 5 Nisan 17 Saturday (Friday nightfall to Saturday nightfall) Weekly Sabbath


Hebrew weekly Sabbath started Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown. This was a different Sabbath called a high Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This high Sabbath began the first day through the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread from Nisan 15 to Nisan 21. This was the Sabbath where Jesus had to be removed from the cross before the Feast of Unleavened Bread began on Nisan 15. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it was the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6, 7

Seeing that this was a High Sabbath that started on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread it would have been Tuesday Nisan 13 that Jesus would have had the Passover Seder meal with the disciples, went to pray in Gethsemane and was arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin. Wednesday morning, Nisan 14, Jesus was brought before Pilate who passed sentence on Jesus according to Roman law was scourged and nailed to the cross about the third hour and died at the ninth hour about the same time after noon when the Passover lambs were killed, Exodus 12:1-6.

Jesus was laid in the borrowed tomb on Wednesday evening, Nisan 14, before High Sabbath began at sundown making it Nisan 15. Jesus laid in the tomb from Nisan 14 until sometime before sunrise on Saturday Nisan 17 being the weekly Sabbath that started at sundown on Nisan 16 as this would have been three days and three nights fulfilling what he spoke in Matthew 12:40 and Mark 14:58. This did not violate the Torah that says no one is to work on the Sabbath, but Jesus being risen from the grave was not work, but Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath, Mark 2:23-28.

Yours is pretty much the same timeline that I came to accept after much study. :yes

I don't believe the Last Supper was a Passover 'Seder', although it would have been a meal associated with the Passover festival. Look up the 'Fast of the Firstborn' to see its significance. As a Jewish first born, Jesus was obligated to fast for 24hrs before the Passover Seder, so the Last Supper was His last meal before the coming actual Seder of which He was destined never to eat.

Mat 26:29 - But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mat 26:30 - And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.​

Further, an observant Jew would not have left the house after an actual Seder to pray in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Exo 12:22 - And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.​

 

[GodsGrace]

Probably Wednesday rather than Thursday. And "Friday" actually began on Thursday evening (sunset). The Hebrew day began at sunset and ended the following sunset. For three days and three nights to be literally fulfilled the Last Supper would have to have been on Wednesday evening.

Uffa. Yeah. I stopped with this and just apologized when I had to teach it.
I do get the three days though even if the crucifixion was on Friday.
Friday 3 p.m. Jesus dies. Day One.
Friday 6 pm - Saturday 6 pm Day Two
Saturday 6 pm -- Resurrection Day Three

We say: On the THIRD day He rose again (not AFTER 3 days - which would have had to go till Sunday 6 pm)

Wondering

 

[GodsGrace]

Thank you wondering as you made me rethink everything I have posted. In post # 9 I made mistakes on the dates and days. Here is what they should be. I also went back and spent the whole day studying this again and here is the complete of my study continuing from my OP as there were things that were revealed to me today.

April 2 Nisan 14 Wednesday (Tuesday nightfall to Wednesday nightfall) Day of Crucifixion

April 3 Nisan 15 Thursday (Wednesday nightfall to Thursday nightfall) Feast of Unleavened Bread known as the High Sabbath. High Sabbath is different than the weekly Sabbath that started Friday at sundown to Saturday sundown.

April 4 Nisan 16 Friday (Thursday nightfall to Friday nightfall) Weekly Sabbath begins

April 5 Nisan 17 Saturday (Friday nightfall to Saturday nightfall) Weekly Sabbath


Hebrew weekly Sabbath started Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown. This was a different Sabbath called a high Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This high Sabbath began the first day through the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread from Nisan 15 to Nisan 21. This was the Sabbath where Jesus had to be removed from the cross before the Feast of Unleavened Bread began on Nisan 15. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it was the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6, 7

Seeing that this was a High Sabbath that started on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread it would have been Tuesday Nisan 13 that Jesus would have had the Passover Seder meal with the disciples, went to pray in Gethsemane and was arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin. Wednesday morning, Nisan 14, Jesus was brought before Pilate who passed sentence on Jesus according to Roman law was scourged and nailed to the cross about the third hour and died at the ninth hour about the same time after noon when the Passover lambs were killed, Exodus 12:1-6.

Jesus was laid in the borrowed tomb on Wednesday evening, Nisan 14, before High Sabbath began at sundown making it Nisan 15. Jesus laid in the tomb from Nisan 14 until sometime before sunrise on Saturday Nisan 17 being the weekly Sabbath that started at sundown on Nisan 16 as this would have been three days and three nights fulfilling what he spoke in Matthew 12:40 and Mark 14:58. This did not violate the Torah that says no one is to work on the Sabbath, but Jesus being risen from the grave was not work, but Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath, Mark 2:23-28.

Well, FHG
You're a better woman than I'll ever be!
This made me a little crazy a few years ago, TTYTT.
I'll be printing this out and also Sinthesis' and also diangcook's post (although I don't teach anymore - just kids once in a while and they don't ask stuff like this, thankfully! )

Also, re the triumphal entry into Jerusalem. 6 days before the Passover Jesus goes with His Apostles to Mary and Matha's house.
SIX DAYS BEFORE Passover.
If you count Friday Passover as day one, you end up with Sunday, so the entry would be Monday.
(counting the Jewish way)

But if you start the count with Thursday, (or pre Fri 6pm) you end up with Saturday, so the entry would be on Sunday.

For Jews Sunday is the first day of the week - so this would seem to make more sense.

BUT I'M NOT SURE! Is anybody here sure?
(probably not).

Wondering

 

[for_his_glory]

Yours is pretty much the same timeline that I came to accept after much study. :yes

I don't believe the Last Supper was a Passover 'Seder', although it would have been a meal associated with the Passover festival. Look up the 'Fast of the Firstborn' to see its significance. As a Jewish first born, Jesus was obligated to fast for 24hrs before the Passover Seder, so the Last Supper was His last meal before the coming actual Seder of which He was destined never to eat.

Mat 26:29 - But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mat 26:30 - And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.​

Further, an observant Jew would not have left the house after an actual Seder to pray in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Exo 12:22 - And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.​

After more study I too believe it was not the Passover Seder. I'm now conflicted or losing some brain cells from studying this so hard, but Matthew 26:17-19; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 22:7-9 all call it the Passover meal on the day of the feast of unleavened bread, but John 13:1, 2 says before the feast and supper being ended. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread no one was to do any work as it was to be a holy assembling day, Leviticus 23:7. I tend to lean on what John said as it was not a Passover Seder meal, but just supper as Jesus died the day before the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The feast started on Nisan 15, Thursday sundown and ran for seven days ending before sundown Wednesday Nisan 21 as this was a High Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath that was Saturday that started Friday sundown and ended Saturday at sundown.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well, FHG
You're a better woman than I'll ever be!
This made me a little crazy a few years ago, TTYTT.
I'll be printing this out and also Sinthesis' and also diangcook's post (although I don't teach anymore - just kids once in a while and they don't ask stuff like this, thankfully! )

Also, re the triumphal entry into Jerusalem. 6 days before the Passover Jesus goes with His Apostles to Mary and Matha's house.
SIX DAYS BEFORE Passover.
If you count Friday Passover as day one, you end up with Sunday, so the entry would be Monday.
(counting the Jewish way)

But if you start the count with Thursday, (or pre Fri 6pm) you end up with Saturday, so the entry would be on Sunday.

For Jews Sunday is the first day of the week - so this would seem to make more sense.

BUT I'M NOT SURE! Is anybody here sure?
(probably not).

Wondering

Triumphal entry into Jerusalem was 6 days before the Feast of Unleavened Bread that started Thursday after sundown making it Nisan 15. Six days before the feast would have been Friday Nisan 9 which we call Good Friday.

 

[Sinthesis]

Also, re the triumphal entry into Jerusalem. 6 days before the Passover Jesus goes with His Apostles to Mary and Matha's house.
SIX DAYS BEFORE Passover.
If you count Friday Passover as day one, you end up with Sunday, so the entry would be Monday.
(counting the Jewish way)

But if you start the count with Thursday, (or pre Fri 6pm) you end up with Saturday, so the entry would be on Sunday.

For Jews Sunday is the first day of the week - so this would seem to make more sense.

Exo 12:3 - Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4 - And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 - Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 - And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.​

Jesus was murdered on Wednesday the 14th, the day of preparation. The 'Passover' Seder was eaten that night (Jewish Thursday the 15th) in haste before morning. Six days prior Jesus arrived at Mary and Martha's house on Friday the 9th. That evening (Jewish Saturday the 10th) Jesus was anointed by Mary symbolizing his being chosen as the Paschal Lamb. Jewish travel was restricted on the sabbath, so Jesus entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, the 11th.

Jhn 12:1 ¶ Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:2 - There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
Jhn 12:3 - Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Jhn 12:4 - Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
Jhn 12:5 - Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
Jhn 12:6 - This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Jhn 12:7 - Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
Jhn 12:8 - For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
Jhn 12:9 ¶ Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:10 - But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
Jhn 12:11 - Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
Jhn 12:12 ¶ On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
Jhn 12:13 - Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Jhn 12:14 - And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
Jhn 12:15 - Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
Jhn 12:16 - These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.​

 

[GodsGrace]

Exo 12:3 - Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4 - And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 - Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 - And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.​

Jesus was murdered on Wednesday the 14th, the day of preparation. The 'Passover' Seder was eaten that night (Jewish Thursday the 15th) in haste before morning. Six days prior Jesus arrived at Mary and Martha's house on Friday the 9th. That evening (Jewish Saturday the 10th) Jesus was anointed by Mary symbolizing his being chosen as the Paschal Lamb. Jewish travel was restricted on the sabbath, so Jesus entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, the 11th.

Jhn 12:1 ¶ Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:2 - There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
Jhn 12:3 - Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Jhn 12:4 - Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
Jhn 12:5 - Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
Jhn 12:6 - This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Jhn 12:7 - Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
Jhn 12:8 - For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
Jhn 12:9 ¶ Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:10 - But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
Jhn 12:11 - Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
Jhn 12:12 ¶ On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
Jhn 12:13 - Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Jhn 12:14 - And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
Jhn 12:15 - Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
Jhn 12:16 - These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.​

Thanks Sinthesis.
This took some work.
I forgot about John 12:9. It's so good to review and I'm so happy to be on this forum.

Wondering
(more printing!)

 

[GodsGrace]

After more study I too believe it was not the Passover Seder. I'm now conflicted or losing some brain cells from studying this so hard, but Matthew 26:17-19; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 22:7-9 all call it the Passover meal on the day of the feast of unleavened bread, but John 13:1, 2 says before the feast and supper being ended. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread no one was to do any work as it was to be a holy assembling day, Leviticus 23:7. I tend to lean on what John said as it was not a Passover Seder meal, but just supper as Jesus died the day before the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The feast started on Nisan 15, Thursday sundown and ran for seven days ending before sundown Wednesday Nisan 21 as this was a High Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath that was Saturday that started Friday sundown and ended Saturday at sundown.

John DOES say BEFORE the Feast of the Passover. John 13:1

FHG, You repeat how I felt when I TRIED to study this a few years ago:
I'm now conflicted or losing some brain cells from studying this so hard,

:nod
I applaud you!

Wondering

 

[dianegcook]

Thank you wondering as you made me rethink everything I have posted. In post # 9 I made mistakes on the dates and days. Here is what they should be. I also went back and spent the whole day studying this again and here is the complete of my study continuing from my OP as there were things that were revealed to me today.

April 2 Nisan 14 Wednesday (Tuesday nightfall to Wednesday nightfall) Day of Crucifixion

April 3 Nisan 15 Thursday (Wednesday nightfall to Thursday nightfall) Feast of Unleavened Bread known as the High Sabbath. High Sabbath is different than the weekly Sabbath that started Friday at sundown to Saturday sundown.

April 4 Nisan 16 Friday (Thursday nightfall to Friday nightfall) Weekly Sabbath begins

April 5 Nisan 17 Saturday (Friday nightfall to Saturday nightfall) Weekly Sabbath


Hebrew weekly Sabbath started Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown. This was a different Sabbath called a high Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This high Sabbath began the first day through the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread from Nisan 15 to Nisan 21. This was the Sabbath where Jesus had to be removed from the cross before the Feast of Unleavened Bread began on Nisan 15. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it was the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6, 7

Seeing that this was a High Sabbath that started on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread it would have been Tuesday Nisan 13 that Jesus would have had the Passover Seder meal with the disciples, went to pray in Gethsemane and was arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin. Wednesday morning, Nisan 14, Jesus was brought before Pilate who passed sentence on Jesus according to Roman law was scourged and nailed to the cross about the third hour and died at the ninth hour about the same time after noon when the Passover lambs were killed, Exodus 12:1-6.

Jesus was laid in the borrowed tomb on Wednesday evening, Nisan 14, before High Sabbath began at sundown making it Nisan 15. Jesus laid in the tomb from Nisan 14 until sometime before sunrise on Saturday Nisan 17 being the weekly Sabbath that started at sundown on Nisan 16 as this would have been three days and three nights fulfilling what he spoke in Matthew 12:40 and Mark 14:58. This did not violate the Torah that says no one is to work on the Sabbath, but Jesus being risen from the grave was not work, but Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath, Mark 2:23-28.

A lot of people get that High Sabbath confused with the weekly Sabbath.
Thanks for the post.
A lot of people think He was crucified on Friday.
But that does not add up with the 3 nights also.

 

[for_his_glory]

Exo 12:3 - Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4 - And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 - Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 - And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.​

Jesus was murdered on Wednesday the 14th, the day of preparation. The 'Passover' Seder was eaten that night (Jewish Thursday the 15th) in haste before morning. Six days prior Jesus arrived at Mary and Martha's house on Friday the 9th. That evening (Jewish Saturday the 10th) Jesus was anointed by Mary symbolizing his being chosen as the Paschal Lamb. Jewish travel was restricted on the sabbath, so Jesus entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, the 11th.

Jhn 12:1 ¶ Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:2 - There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
Jhn 12:3 - Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Jhn 12:4 - Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
Jhn 12:5 - Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
Jhn 12:6 - This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Jhn 12:7 - Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
Jhn 12:8 - For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
Jhn 12:9 ¶ Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:10 - But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
Jhn 12:11 - Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
Jhn 12:12 ¶ On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
Jhn 12:13 - Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Jhn 12:14 - And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
Jhn 12:15 - Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
Jhn 12:16 - These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.​

I have the Triumphal entry into Jerusalem being Friday Nisan 9 as that would be 6 days before Nisan 15 when the Feast of Unleavened Bread started unless I messed up the math again...............ugh!!!

 

[for_his_glory]

A lot of people get that High Sabbath confused with the weekly Sabbath.
Thanks for the post.
A lot of people think He was crucified on Friday.
But that does not add up with the 3 nights also.

It can be confusing and even I have learned so much since I started the OP