2,520 Days of the Tribulation from Feast of Trumpets 2015 to Tisha B'Av 2022

[tim-from-pa]

I thought Israel was a nation.

I find your math and whatnot interesting. While I may not agree with you 100%, I know that the feasts of the trumpets stuff, etc has validity pertaining to Christ's return. Tell ya what. Just hang around me for awhile and become familiar with my posts, profile and such. Try not to get yourself banned in the meantime, and maybe we can continue such subjects on together in other threads or forums as well.

BTW, you probably already know abut this? >>> The Temple Institute: The Holy Temple in Jerusalem

First it was the land, then Jerusalem, the next will be the temple.

 

[noselfwilling]

I find your math and whatnot interesting.

I keep emailing them telling them then need to break ground on the 3rd Temple 2013 or 2014.

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[reba]

In your view of Scripture i was wondering if you had any thoughts on the tabernalcle of David?

Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up.

 

[noselfwilling]

In your view of Scripture i was wondering if you had any thoughts on the tabernalcle of David?

Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up.

The Temple is part of this, but comes at the end of this mystery age of the Church.

Believe me when I say the Temple will begin construction 2013 or 2014 and will be completed by the 220th day April 20, 2016 of the Tribulation. The Tribulation and first rapture starts Sept. 14, 2015 on the Feast of Trumpets.

I have told you the truth.

 

[pjt]

Dear friends, ISTM, just another FALSE PROPHECY from someone who IGNORES SCRIPTURE and IGNORES THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST, Who said, "NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR, BUT ONLY MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN" (Matthew). In Erie PA Scott Harrington

We don`t know the exact time or hour but God clearly gave us signs and indications to watch for. And He did tell us to watch. So I would not completely discount this theory. I have heard a similar theory before and I find it interesting. I can`t say I 100% agree with all noself wrote but there could be some validity to these dates. If you look at the feasts in the OT a lot of interesting things line up with them and they foretell the NT.

 

[noselfwilling]

there could be some validity to these dates.

I believe in addition to the Tetrad falling on the right dates in the 20th century, the greatest data point is that the H3 and Tetrad that come together in the proper order in Rev. 6.12, is the first time since Christ this has happened.

But let's say there was no Haiti earthquake in 2010 (5th worst disaster in human history) that also fits into Rev. 6.12 that needs to occur before the H3 and Tetrad. Then we would be left with hoping an earthquake as a top 10 disaster of all time would fit in 2011 to 2013 before the H3 Eclipse Nov. 2013. If it didn't occur then we would know we are wrong, but since the Haiti earthquake already occured it already fulfills the Rev. 6.12 requirement.

Now what we look for is that the 3rd Temple needs to begin construction in the year 2013 or 2014 at the latest. If it does not then it is not completed by the 220th day of the Tribulation, by April 20, 2016 so there would be 2300 days left.

The Temple NOW is the most important data point. The mark of the beast can wait, but the Temple cannot.

 

[pjt]

I believe in addition to the Tetrad falling on the right dates in the 20th century, the greatest data point is that the H3 and Tetrad that come together in the proper order in Rev. 6.12, is the first time since Christ this has happened.

But let's say there was no Haiti earthquake in 2010 (5th worst disaster in human history) that also fits into Rev. 6.12 that needs to occur before the H3 and Tetrad. Then we would be left with hoping an earthquake as a top 10 disaster of all time would fit in 2011 to 2013 before the H3 Eclipse Nov. 2013. If it didn't occur then we would know we are wrong, but since the Haiti earthquake already occured it already fulfills the Rev. 6.12 requirement.

Now what we look for is that the 3rd Temple needs to begin construction in the year 2013 or 2014 at the latest. If it does not then it is not completed by the 220th day of the Tribulation, by April 20, 2016 so there would be 2300 days left.

The Temple NOW is the most important data point. The mark of the beast can wait, but the Temple cannot.

I agree that there can not be an end of the world until we see the 3rd temple go up. So we watch for signs, but when that 3rd temple goes up and peace treaty is signed we know things are about to happen.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Anyone who plays with mathematics always grabs my attention. Here's a converter that we can easily count days instead of playing with calendars and dates >>> Calculator: Add to or subtract from a date

Also, I like the mention of the of the tetrad. I warned on another forum that this past eclipse of the moon (December 21,2010) was a warning only to the Israelite tribe of Joseph since the eclipse fell partly in the (sidereal) constellation of Taurus and that constellation (the bull) is associated in scripture with Joseph. It is interesting to note that the eclipse was fully over the USA as well so that we could heed the warning given to us and doubly confirms that suspicion.

I will stop just short of saying when or not the Lord will return and the Tribulation begins, but I do mention "candidate years" when something like that is far more likely (this way I'm not making an actual prediction). These years line up in my scope as well and it will be topics of interesting study. I think I can do it in 3-4 years before being whisked away.

 

[tim-from-pa]

I just briefly ran this tetrad thru my astronomy program. Israel in the middle east sees only one. Britain sees only one and the USA sees 3 of them! Maybe this in itself discerns for us which part of Israel is receiving the greater judgment. I would imagine that they are even more significant if the people of Israel see them.

 

[reba]

I agree that there can not be an end of the world until we see the 3rd temple go up. So we watch for signs, but when that 3rd temple goes up and peace treaty is signed we know things are about to happen.

Joh 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
Joh 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[noselfwilling]

I would imagine that they are even more significant if the people of Israel see them.

No, because we're are talking about world affairs now and the return of Jesus.

 

[noselfwilling]

I agree that there can not be an end of the world until we see the 3rd temple go up. So we watch for signs, but when that 3rd temple goes up and peace treaty is signed we know things are about to happen.

Actually you don't see the end of the world until after Jesus reigns on earth a 1000 years in that Temple on earth.

 

[mpok1519]

Yknow, I think people need to relax on this whole tribulation thing. The whole "Left Behind" ideas aren't even necessarily Biblical in a puritanical sense.

BTW, Revelation is wholly symbolic, metaphorical, and nonliteral; its a good warning humans gave to ourselves as a way of saying "Hey, if you don't take care of yourself, people, and the world, you will be the ultimate destroyers of it". Its not a literal "this is what will happen at the end of the world" text.

Yknow what will also bring the end of the world? Masses of people convinced the end of the world is coming. Subconsciously, if people believe that, it will manifest itself in reality. Seriously; if someone honestly believes something will happen, they will start to do things reflective of this believe, regardless if what they believe is true or rooted in reality.

If peoples' outlooks on the future is so bleak, grim and negative, their actions will take the form of negativity, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy which will then in-turn bring about the apocalypse, but it was their own negative and pessimistic mindset that was humanity's undoing.

 

[pjt]

Yknow, I think people need to relax on this whole tribulation thing. The whole "Left Behind" ideas aren't even necessarily Biblical in a puritanical sense.

BTW, Revelation is wholly symbolic, metaphorical, and nonliteral; its a good warning humans gave to ourselves as a way of saying "Hey, if you don't take care of yourself, people, and the world, you will be the ultimate destroyers of it". Its not a literal "this is what will happen at the end of the world" text.

Yknow what will also bring the end of the world? Masses of people convinced the end of the world is coming. Subconsciously, if people believe that, it will manifest itself in reality. Seriously; if someone honestly believes something will happen, they will start to do things reflective of this believe, regardless if what they believe is true or rooted in reality.

If peoples' outlooks on the future is so bleak, grim and negative, their actions will take the form of negativity, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy which will then in-turn bring about the apocalypse, but it was their own negative and pessimistic mindset that was humanity's undoing.

But Mpok, you miss the point. There is a bleakness in the Tribulation that is true, but that is not where we Christians put our focus. Our focus is in the final outcome and victory! There is a glorious end to the story!!! This is where we put our hope and focus! It is not pessimistic at all, but a joyful, victorious, triumphant end!

 

[noselfwilling]

Yknow, I think people need to relax on this whole tribulation thing. The whole "Left Behind" ideas aren't even necessarily Biblical in a puritanical sense.

I think you need to relax. You're getting yourself worked up. Left Behind is definitely wrong since the first rapture is according to readiness (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10). It is not a forgone conclusion for the whole church.

BTW, Revelation is wholly symbolic, metaphorical, and nonliteral; its a good warning humans gave to ourselves as a way of saying "Hey, if you don't take care of yourself, people, and the world, you will be the ultimate destroyers of it". Its not a literal "this is what will happen at the end of the world" text.

Revelation is mostly literal. It is the easiest book of the Bible to read. Of the 30 symbols 15 are explained right in the text, so that leaves less than one simple symbol per chapter that you can easily explain from other verses in Scripture.

You're too vague. Revelation is very specific about the timing of the events, from the first rapture, to who the Antichrist is, what the mark of the beast is, the destruction of the Vatican and political Rome. It even goes into the millennial reign and the New City after that and what happens to those who are unsaved and when they will be resurrected. The church age is outlined in Rev. 2 & 3, what it is like in heaven (Rev. 4), recounts the cross (Rev. 5) and tells us what will happen the past 20 centuries (Rev. 6). It says the martyrs are raptured at the first rapture (5th seal), it tells us when the Tribulation takes place when Rev. 6.12 done. It tells of the protection of the remnant of Jews in Rev. 7 and the first rapture before the throne (Rev. 7.9). It details happens in the first half of the Tribulation (first four trumpets) and what happens in the 2nd half (3 woes).

It tells us who the Two Witnesses are. So much more I could say.

Yknow what will also bring the end of the world? Masses of people convinced the end of the world is coming. Subconsciously, if people believe that, it will manifest itself in reality. Seriously; if someone honestly believes something will happen, they will start to do things reflective of this believe, regardless if what they believe is true or rooted in reality.

The word doesn't end in the Tribulation, for Jesus returns to reign for 1000 years. Don't worry about the end of the world that takes place after the 1000 year reign. Jesus says nobody knows the day or hour when that will happen so relax.

What I am doing personally is reading the word of God deeply more than ever before because the Tribulation starts and first rapture is at Sept. 14, 2015. I would like to be included in the first rapture and not have to pass through the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world.

No, it doesn't matter what people believe. Nobody can thwart God's plan.

If peoples' outlooks on the future is so bleak, grim and negative, their actions will take the form of negativity, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy which will then in-turn bring about the apocalypse, but it was their own negative and pessimistic mindset that was humanity's undoing.

Trust me God has this allw orked out. God says an apocalypse is coming so whether people are really positive or negative it is going to happen Sept. 14, 2015 to Aug. 7, 2022.

The cause for this is sin, selfishness of mankind and Satan.

 

[jasoncran]

why would jesus state this.

then you alone and not the apostles that he told to go and preach the word.

when in matthew he says this
matthew 24
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

and you set a date

why would jesus change his mind?

 

[noselfwilling]

why would jesus state this.

then you alone and not the apostles that he told to go and preach the word.

when in matthew he says this
matthew 24
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

and you set a date

why would jesus change his mind?

Jesus said we can't know until after Israel becomes a nation (Matt. 24.32). Now we know (v.33). The first Apostles therefore could not know. The Apostles today such as myself do know.

Of that day and hour knowneth no man is referring to the end of the millennial kingdom as verse 35 says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

Heaven and earth don't pass away when Jesus returns. That would be silly.

Jesus hasn't changed His mind. The Tribulation is still from Sept. 14 Feast of Trumpets, 2015 to Aug. 7 Tisha B'Av, 2022.

Since He has set the date and you reject it then you will be judged by it.

 

[jasoncran]

Jesus said we can't know until after Israel becomes a nation (Matt. 24.32). Now we know (v.33). The first Apostles therefore could not know. The Apostles today such as myself do know.

Of that day and hour knowneth no man is referring to the end of the millennial kingdom as verse 35 says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

Heaven and earth don't pass away when Jesus returns. That would be silly.

Jesus hasn't changed His mind. The Tribulation is still from Sept. 14 Feast of Trumpets, 2015 to Aug. 7 Tisha B'Av, 2022.

Since He has set the date and you reject it then you will be judged by it.

really surely the apostles know this.

why wouldnt they know? calendars existed then, yup

acts one

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

you to know, so when their disciples put the bible together surely that had to see that.

didnt the apostles ask?

yes and the lord told them no! not for you to know. and i would think he meant us.

did paul mention this when he wrote comfort ye one another with these words.

so you are an apostle .

hmm we have had a few of those around here, in fact one did the same as you and he was wrong, were still here

history has shown that any person who makes a date has been wrong

funny thing is the lord told the disciples that the temple would fall but never told them the date.

why? interesting isnt it.

surely when calenders became accurate say after 1948, that only you would see this.

and that isreal ,lol

isnt really isreal

its a jewish nation.

do you even know the difference?

jews being two tribes.

where's the rest?

they havent even come back, no one knows the tribes of the jews, not even the jews themselves

i am jewish and none of us knows the tribes

isreal as it is isnt the whole kingdom but a shell.

when do the rest come back?

the promise their is for the whole nation of isreal not just the judean kingdom

 

[jasoncran]

are you serious, you are using the fig tree to mention that is for isreal?

that's not the verse for that



if you dont know milliniel reign start as that is based of the trib date then we do know when he comes.its at the final battle that it ends and he reigns therefore 2022 is the start of the reign

if we are that close i hope that you willed all your dollars to well me.after i am jewish and we cranmans are in isreal.

so my unsaved family needs that money for the temple and for levitical service.

wow but of that DAY no man knoweth, nor the angels but the father in heaven

so how can it be that you know when he said no man knows.

what day is that the return of isreal?

cant be there as that parable of the fig tree(lol a scofield thing)

let me educate you in isreal's return if you want the verse


Ezekiel 37
1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

2And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

3And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

4Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

5Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

15The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


Isreal isnt there yet, what we are seeing is a shell.

 

[noselfwilling]

are you serious, you are using the fig tree to mention that is for isreal?

Of course and you're not?

After King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon exiled Jehoiachin son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, to Babylon along with the princes of Judah and all the skilled craftsmen, the LORD gave me this vision. I saw two baskets of figs placed in front of the LORD's Temple in Jerusalem.

One basket was filled with fresh, ripe figs, while the other was filled with figs that were spoiled and could not be eaten.

"This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: The good figs represent the exiles I sent from Judah to the land of the Babylonians.

I have sent them into captivity for their own good. I will see that they are well treated, and I will bring them back here again. I will build them up and not tear them down. I will plant them and not uproot them.

I will give them hearts that will recognize me as the LORD. They will be my people, and I will be their God, for they will return to me wholeheartedly.

"But the rotten figs," the LORD said, "represent King Zedekiah of Judah, his officials, all the people left in Jerusalem, and those who live in Egypt. I will treat them like spoiled figs, too rotten to eat.