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3 Main Teachings of Matt Slick - CARM

i will look at the greek for that.

revalation 7:14

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kai eirhka autw kurie su oidaV kai eipen moi outoi eisin oi ercomenoi ek thV qliyewV thV megalhV kai eplunan taV stolaV autwn kai eleukanan stolas autwn en tw aimati tou arniou



7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

so we have been in the great trib since the the cross?

really?

matt 24:21

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

that is after the time of the fall of the city of jerusalem which came to pass in part and in the future but then it wasnt world wide as in the future it must be.
 
Rev. 7.14 The phrase "the great tribulation" is not the Great Tribulation of three years and a half duration. The reasons are as follows.

(1) At the earliest, the Great Tribulation should commence at the sounding of the "woe" trumpets, the first of which is the fifth (8.13, 9.1a). Yet 7.9 is an intimation of a rapture having taken place before the seventh seal. Some of these people must have arrived at the throne without passing through the time of the "woe" trumpets.

(2) The Great Tribulation cannot begin before Satan is cast down to earth. Satan will be cast down at the sounding of the fifth trumpet (9.1); and before the horrible situation of the 42 months prevails on earth (13.5), the man child is already raptured to the throne (12.5). Though this man child may not include all the people referred to in 7.9, nonetheless we dare say that it embraces a part of that great multitude.

(3) As soon as the seventh bowl is poured, the kingdom arrives. During the kingdom age we do not see the temple in heaven, instead we see the temple on earth as described in Ezekiel. Who will have the time and opportunity to serve God during the Great Tribulation? Yet 7.15 clearly states that God’s servants serve Him day and night.

(4) There cannot be so many people saved at the Great Tribulation. Since the great multitude mentioned in 7.9 is said to have come out of the great tribulation (7.14), this great tribulation must be different from that which comes at the fifth and sixth trumpets.

(5) According to 11.1, there are those who worship in the temple of God in heaven. Aside from the people cited in 7.9, where can there be found any who worship God in heaven? For at that time the Great Tribulation as predicted in the book of Revelation has yet to begin. In the new heaven and the new earth, no temple is seen (21.22) because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are the temple thereof. (God and the Lamb form the center of the new city. Following the mentioning of the temple of God in 3.12 are found the words "he shall go out thence no more", for the simple reason that God and the Lamb are the temple in the new heaven and the new earth.)

(6) The Bible expressly says that there are believers who do not pass through the Great Tribulation (for example, Luke 21.36 and Rev. 3.10).

(7) Suppose these people mentioned in 7.9 did in fact pass through the Great Tribulation of three and a half years; then they must have died at the time when the temple is trodden underfoot by the nations. But according to what is given in 11.2 it is impossible to include the church therein. So how can it be held that the multitude cited in 7.9 comes out of the Great Tribulation of three and a half years?

(8) The Great Tribulation of three years and a half spoken of in Revelation is especially related to the Jews. Both Daniel 12.1—"And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered . . ."—and Matthew 24.16-18 depict particularly the situation of the Jewish people. God’s primary purpose is to make use of the Great Tribulation to deal with the Jews. "The time of Jacob’s trouble" spoken of in Jeremiah 30.7 manifestly points to the Jews. But in the book of Revelation reference is made to the subject of tribulation several times in connection with the church, such as in 1.9 and 2.9-10,13. According to John 16.33 tribulation seems to be the earthly portion of the church for she must pass through a prolonged duration of sufferings. Accordingly, this tribulation may also be described in the same way as Revelation 7.14 itself literally does in the Greek original, namely: "the tribulation the great". Nevertheless, the great tribulation cited in Revelation 2.22 is very different from that in 7.14, nor is it the same as that of the three and a half years mentioned elsewhere in Revelation. (The words "through many tribulations we must enter into the kingdom of God" in Acts 14.22 has reference to the common experience those who enter the kingdom of God will share on earth.)

"And they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (7.14b). "Robes" is in plural number, and these robes signify righteousnesses, even the righteousnesses of the saints. They do not refer to the Lord Jesus Christ as our righteousness. Indeed, the robe (singular) is righteousness (Is. 61.10), and it is the Lord himself (Jer. 23.6), for Christ is our righteousness (1 Cor. 1.30). We are clothed with Him as we come before God. But this righteousness has no need to be cleansed by the blood.

Hence we have two robes: the one we are clothed with when we are saved, by which we stand before God; the other is our own righteousnesses—even our victories—in which we may stand before Christ. The white garments spoken of in Revelation 3.18 require a price, whereas redemption is that which need not be bought.

No Christian will be judged and condemned before God (John 5.24); but no Christian will be exempt from having to stand and be judged before the judgment seat of Christ according to what he has done (2 Cor. 5.10).

Believers’ robes are washed clean, yet not because of the great tribulation but because of the blood of the Lamb.

The very fact that the robes of the saints are washed in the blood of the Lamb shows how they once were defiled on earth yet they have followed the instruction of 1 John 1.9, and thus they are cleansed.
 
I say this based upon my understanding of the Scriptures (as literal as possible).
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Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.


Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.




 
reba said:
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.


Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Those are verses of the Bible that's correct and your point is?
 
Those are verses of the Bible that's correct and your point is?
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How literal do you believe the Scriptures are?


John was told to write a book to send to the 7 churches. Rev 1:11

The closing of the book Rev 22
 
reba said:
How literal do you believe the Scriptures are?


John was told to write a book to send to the 7 churches. Rev 1:11

The closing of the book Rev 22
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You have to read by the Holy Spirit, but I am guessing it is far more literal than you realize.
 
satan is still in heaven. really. satan's time is short.?

theres many views on when his kicked out but this says it

the lord said i beheld satan fall from the sky as lightning.

so if its past to the cross, you sir have a problem as i read more and more on revalation its not in chronological order.
 
jasoncran said:
satan is still in heaven. really. satan's time is short.?
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Satan was cast out of heaven with a 3rd of the angels. They were cast down from 3rd heaven to 2nd heaven. From they they can influence the 1st heaven (that is, early and the universe).

When the 144,000 virgin firstfruits are raptured (Rev. 14.1-5) with the martyrs and those alive at the first rapture who are overcomers, Satan will know then his time is short.
 
noselfwilling said:
Satan was cast out of heaven with a 3rd of the angels. They were cast down from 3rd heaven to 2nd heaven. From they they can influence the 1st heaven (that is, early and the universe).

When the 144,000 virgin firstfruits are raptured (Rev. 14.1-5) with the martyrs and those alive at the first rapture who are overcomers, Satan will know then his time is short.
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lol, that would be since the time of paul or christ.

he does roam the earth, at present.

2nd heaven

that would be the universe and expense

paul disagrees. he called satan prince of the air.

meaning he rules the air(not in literal since but that he can been seen influencing groups and ideology that have no means in common

ie pagan ideas that come from culturest that didnt trade at all or did very little.
 
We have had the same KJB around for a couple years now. Before that there was some others, what ever the translation it is God's Word, been the same for a few thousand years. I just love it when some folks are all hepped up because they think they have found something new. A KEY a special 'word' from God. There is nothing new...... God has said I am the Lord your God and I change not.
 
I can't really understand what you are saying Jason, your English grammer and strcuture is so bad.

Start your sentences with a capital.
 
jasoncran said:
lol, that would be since the time of paul or christ.

he does roam the earth, at present.

2nd heaven

that would be the universe and expense

paul disagrees. he called satan prince of the air.

meaning he rules the air(not in literal since but that he can been seen influencing groups and ideology that have no means in common

ie pagan ideas that come from culturest that didnt trade at all or did very little.
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This is what i mean.

Satan is called prince of the air by paul in ephesians 2:2

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.

The first heaven contains that air and atmosphere.

so satan can influence the air of the world by being ruler of it.

This doesnt mean he is in the air literally. It means that he is on the earth and can influence ideas and men.

just look around and see that the new age thing isnt new and that any pagan ritual or panthiestic idea is similiar to that.
 
jasoncran said:
This is what i mean.

Satan is called prince of the air by paul in ephesians 2:2

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.

The first heaven contains that air and atmosphere.

so satan can influence the air of the world by being ruler of it.

This doesnt mean he is in the air literally. It means that he is on the earth and can influence ideas and men.

just look around and see that the new age thing isnt new and that any pagan ritual or panthiestic idea is similiar to that.
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There are 11 dimensions.
 
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