7th day adventist. Are they a cult?

[Oscar3]

If these folks' only peculiarity was that they met on Saturday to worship, we would have very little to worry about. But, they teach that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast, and Sunday worshippers, they teach, are Satan worshippers. They may deny this, but as long as they keep quoting Ellen G White, they must have this vulgar heresy stuffed right back down their throats until they repent. Ms White was a heretic, and she added to the Scriptures.

Ellen White founded the Seventh-day Adventist church and members must vow
to believe that she was a prophet! From the 27 Fundamental beliefs, #17 "The gift
of Prophecy: One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying
mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White.
As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of
truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction."

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 ... t_cult.htm

 

[Oscar3]

Well, what have we here. It turns out the the SDA and the JW have alot more in common than just the belief that hell is not real or ''eternal''

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They publish their own Bible and insert their own doctrines in the text.

Fulfilled: The Seventh-day Adventist Church publishes The Clear Word Bible. It is a cultic Bible that does not separate the Bible text from the author’s personal commentary, opinions, which slants the text to agree with the writings of Ellen G. White and whatever else to make the text say what he wants it to say. This corrupt piece of work, makes the Word of God unclear to the reader.


Adventist scholar Dr. Sakae Kubo say’s, "I am concerned about how our membership regard and use Blanco’s Clear Word. Behind my remarks is a history of Bibles of this sort that have a terrible bias. The Jehovah’s Witnesses’ New World Translation is an obvious exampleâ€â€the divinity of Christ is removed and His createdness is brought out along with other tendential characteristics. The very obvious and serious danger is that our own people will be confused as to what the Bible really says. Interpretation has been so mixed in with the text that our people will think that the interpretation is part of the Word of God." Adventist Review, April 1995, p.15.

 

[Oscar3]

Here is an example of what this evil book says

The SDA's NEVER quote the Ten Commandments from Deuteronomy, because of the following verse.


Deut. 5:3 The Lord did not make this covenant long ago with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today. The Holy Bible, New Living Translation.


Deut. 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. KJV


Adventists teach that the Ten Commandments were not first given at Sinai, but were given to Adam and Eve before the fall of man, before sin began.


Now notice the same verse from the "SDA Bible".

Deut. 5:3 It wasn't only with our ancestors that He made a covenant , but with us and with all who are alive today.

Read those two verses again and notice the 180 degree difference. The REAL Bible says that the Lord did not make this covenant with our ancestors. The SDA bible clearly implies or states just the opposite. This leads to some questions.


Why did the Adventist's change the meaning to read the complete opposite of what ALL other Bibles read in Deut. 5:3? (look for yourself)


How many other verses in their "Bible" did they change, and if they do change others, why?


On closer inspection of the SDA bible we find literally hundreds of major changes to the real meaning of Scripture. From simple movement of commas, to out-and-out blasphemy, the SDA Bible is a real shame. Someone is going to pay a big price for tampering with God's word, and changing the meaning of Scripture.



1 tim 4:1 1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, nkjv

 

[Drew]

If these folks' only peculiarity was that they met on Saturday to worship, we would have very little to worry about. But, they teach that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast, and Sunday worshippers, they teach, are Satan worshippers.

Can anyone, oscar3 or otherwise, please provide support for this claim that SDA adherents claim that Sunday worshipper are Satan worshippers?

 

[jgredline]

hmmm
I never knew they had their own bible. I will have to pick one up tomarrow.
''if'' its as twisted as it is made out to be, then this will explain alot to me.

Drew
Oscar did provide a link, use your own decernment and decide. I too will check into it.

 

[mutzrein]

SDA have their own bible? That's news to me. I'm not SDA but I have done a bible study course run by SDA's and they used KJV. There were some study helps at the rear of the book but the text itself was unadulterated KJV.

 

[Drew]

I took a look at the link that oscar3 provided. Here are some of the pronouncements:

"they must have this vulgar heresy stuffed right back down their throats until they repent"

"but all this is a cover to sucker in the reader to the SDA line of barnyard manure"

These spiritual scum make Sunday the mark of the Beast by making the mark in the forehead the thought process of Sunday keeping. Insane.

This shows the damnable filth in the heart of the SDAs today

Vegetarianism is demonic

I should not have to comment, but I simply cannot resist. First, I know nothing about the SDA, but a site that engages in this form of bigotry fueled rhetoric is probably not the place to start such an investigation.

Listen people, regardless of whether the SDA church promotes unBiblical doctrine, this specific form of "argument" - over the top demonization, I would argue, appeals to that part of each of us that (sadly) gets a kind of visceral pleasure from "stickin' it to them hellbound heretics".

I think that the term "relgious pornography" might be an a propos term for such sites. Just as conventional pornography appeals to a deeply ingrained sexual drive (and I am not sugggesting such a drive is evil), so does material like the above appeal to what I am suggesting is a deeply ingrained human trait that indeed may be evil - self-aggrandizement attained by debasing our opponents and viewing them as less than human.

Of course, people can argue that such harsh language is needed to correct error. My response - why not correct error with calm, clear arguments.

 

[jgredline]

The Clear Word Bible: Is It the Word of God?

I must admity I am :o at what I am learning here.
Check out some comparisons of the SDA bible and a KJV

Genesis 2:2-3
KJV - And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

CW - Then on the seventh day of creation week, God stopped to enjoy what He had made and to rest in the beauty of it all. So He blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a day of spiritual refreshment and joy.

Note - The CW makes the seventh day part of "creation week" rather than the celebration of a finished creation.
Exodus 5:5
KJV -And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.

CW - You've created enough problems by making them rest every week on your Sabbath.

Note - The CW describes the rest as occurring every week on the Sabbath, whereas in reality Moses requested an isolated three day period in which the Israelites could worship God (see verse 3 in the KJV).
Exodus 16:5
KJV - And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

CW - On the sixth day they should gather twice as much as on the other days so as to have enough for the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, the day I set aside for worship and rest.

Note - The addition "which is the Sabbath, the day I set aside for worship and rest," does not appear in any biblical manuscript.
Exodus 31:13-14, 16
KJV -Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people ...Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

CW - Say to the people, "Most importantly, remember to keep the Sabbath holy because it is a very special day for me, and it's a day of rest for you. It's a sign between you and me for all time to show that you are the people whom I have chosen and set apart. The Sabbath is holy and anyone who desecrates it by working on that day will be put to death, since that would be an act of treason against God's government. My people are to keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a sign that they belong to me."

Note - The CW purposefully revises the text to make it appear that the Sabbath is intended for all people, not just for Israel, as the Bible teaches. In verse 13 it changes "children of Israel" to "people" and in verse 16 it changes "children of Israel" to "My people," and "a perpetual covenant" to "a sign that they belong to Me." To justify making the Sabbath observance a universal requirement it also adds, "Since that would be treason against God's government to verse 14.
Leviticus 23:3
KJV - Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

CW - There has always been the weekly Sabbath.

Note - The CW replaces the biblical institution of the Sabbath with the statement that the Sabbath has always existed.
Ezekiel 45:17
KJV - And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

CW - It will be his duty to provide these national offerings on all appointed festivals with their special Sabbaths, including the monthly festival of the New Moon. He is to bring grain offerings, whole burnt offerings and peace offerings for an atonement for the nation as a whole.

Note - The "feasts," "new moons," and "sabbaths" respectively signify the yearly, monthly, and weekly celebrations. The phrase is a virtual formula used in numerous places in the Old Testament in both ascending and descending order. In order to prevent the weekly sabbath from being associated with the whole sacrificial system done away with by the New Covenant, the CW destroys the word order to make sabbaths refer to the yearly feasts instead of the weekly.
Acts 20:7
KJV -And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

CW - After sundown on Saturday night, the believers got together for a fellowship meal and to say good-by to Paul. That evening he spoke to them until midnight, after which he hoped to get a few hours sleep before leaving early Sunday morning.

Note - The CW calls this a Saturday night meeting, changes "break bread", a term used by the early church for communion, to a fellowship meal and to say good-by to Paul. Such revision of Scripture completely changes the focus of this verse to fit Adventist theology.

Colossians 2:16
KJV - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

CW - Don't let anyone control you life by giving you a set of ceremonial rules about what to eat, what to drink and what monthly festivals or special Sabbaths to keep. All these rules were given as a shadow of the reality to come and that reality is Jesus Christ.

Note - Colossians 2:16 is a very important verse in that it shows clearly that the Seventh-day Sabbath is only a shadow of Christ. This verse should be studied in its context and also compared to its Old Testament parallel, Ezekiel 45:17 (above) When the terms "festival (or equivalent), new moons and Sabbaths are used together in the Old Testament the word Sabbath always refers to the seventh-day Sabbath. Also, these terms are usually used in either ascending or descending sequence: festival (yearly) new moons (monthly) Sabbaths (weekly) or Sabbaths (weekly), new moons (monthly), festivals (yearly).

These two well established patterns make it certain that the seventh-day Sabbath is in view in Colossians 2:16 and this fact undermines the whole SDA emphasis on the seventh-day Sabbath. Note how the CB alters both Colossians 2:16 as well as the Old Testament parallel text.
Hebrews 4:4
KJV -For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

CW - That's why at creation He gave man the seventh-day Sabbath, not only as a reminder of creation week, but also as a symbol of spiritual rest. According to the Scriptures, God Himself rested on the seventh day and enjoyed this special time with man.

Note - The CW states "according to the Scriptures," but then adds to the Scriptures such phrases as the "symbol of spiritual rest" and the "special time with man."
Hebrews 4:9
KJV -There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

CW - So there still remains the offer of spiritual rest that God intends for each generation to have, of which the Sabbath is a symbol.

Note - The biblical manuscripts make no reference in this verse to spiritual rest or the Sabbath as a symbol.5
Revelation 1:10
KJV - I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day.

CW - On Sabbath morning when I had gone to the rocky island shore to meditate and worship.

Note - The CW adds the concluding clause to reinforce Adventist liturgical practices.

One can see by the examples listed above that The Clear Word Bible makes numerous deletions and additions, revising the Word of God to make the Bible teach what it does not teach: the Adventist doctrine of required universal observance of the seventh-day Sabbath for all peoples.
Death and Hell
Adventists, like Jehovah Witnesses, believe in soul sleep and do not believe in hell. Note how they have changed the word of God to fit their theology.

Isaiah 66:24
KJV - And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

CW - They will see the dead bodies of those who have rebelled against me lying outside the city. It will be an abhorrent sight. But just as worms don't stop until they devour the dead and fire doesn't stop until it destroys, so the fires of the Lord will destroy the wicked and consume them all.

Note - Christ quotes this verse on several occasions. Never, however, does He give this interpretation. Rather, He uses it as a description of hell.6 A similar change can be seen in Matthew 5:22, 29, 30, where the CW changes "hell fire" to "lose eternal life".
Matthew 10:28
KJV -And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

CW - Don't be afraid that you might be killed. They can kill your body but not your spirit or your loyalty to me. Now if there is some thing to be concerned about, it's that you don't lose your faith in God.

Note - The CW deletes the segment referring to eternal damnation, and instead alter the text to make it solely an exhortation to retain one's faith in God.
Matthew 18:9
KJV -And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

CW - If, for example, your eye places a wrong value on things, be willing to lose your eye to keep your moral innocence. If you have to make a choice, it's better not to be great in this life and yet live forever than to lose your childlike innocence and have everything end with this life.

Note - Not only does this verse do away with "fiery hell" but it also inserts "moral innocence" and "childlike innocence," neither of which are mentioned in Scripture.
Luke 16:19-30


This is the familiar parable of Christ about the rich man and Lazarus. The CW introduces teaching with these words: "You keep telling people the Jewish fable about a rich man." The revision makes it appear that Christ is refuting a Jewish myth, when in reality is proclaiming the spiritual truth of the parable.

One can readily see how this "Bible" which proclaims by its title, Clear Word, to be an accurate rending of Scripture is perhaps, one of the most deceptive Bibles of recent times. For 150 years Seventh-day Adventists have called the Roman Catholic Church "the beast" for allegedly omitting 2 verses of the law against images. Yet they have now made hundreds of revisions in their Bible.7 Each addition is itself an admission to some part of their teaching that lacks Bible support. Each deletion and change likewise admits to some part of their teachings which the Bible refutes. These changes are made to uphold E.G. White's nonbiblical views. However, by committing this which God, they place themselves above God Himself. In Revelation 18:4 God calls His people to come out of Babylon, "That ye receive not of her plagues." "Babylon" pictures false religion and false religious practices. Any church that would alter God's word which He says is "forever settled in heaven", or promote a Bible which does, is thus part of Babylon the Great, which is fallen. If you love Jesus, obey His call to "come out of her"!

http://www.watchman.org/reltop/clearwordbible.htm

 

[jgredline]

Drew
I agree with you. Imagine that :wink: I will ask Oscar here to modify his post and remove that link. That is not a good example of a Christian web site.

I don't know much about the SDA church and while I knew about the Church on Sat thing, and the annahialation thing, I never considered them a cult.
After what I am learning, however, I am changing my mind quickly

 

[guibox]

Lord help us! :o

If I had to pick someone to explain the SDA faith the last person I would choose on this forum is oscar!

Let me 'clear' things up...

The 'Clear Word' is one man's paraphrase written to make devotional study easier. It is not an official bible version of the SDA church (mutz had it right...the KJV is the standard though many SDAs use many different versions). Heck, only a few SDAs at my church actually own one to read.

Treat it like any other paraphrase out there. Don't try and use it to make false accusations and slander the church.

PS: EGW was a 'co-founder' of the church and really wasn't big aspect in its original formation. Joseph Bates, James White and J.N. Loughborough had more of a hand in the formation of the church then EGW.

 

[jgredline]

Lord help us! :o

If I had to pick someone to explain the SDA faith the last person I would choose on this forum is oscar!

Let me 'clear' things up...

The 'Clear Word' is one man's paraphrase written to make devotional study easier. It is not an official bible version of the SDA church (mutz had it right...the KJV is the standard though many SDAs use many different versions). Heck, only a few SDAs at my church actually own one to read.

Treat it like any other paraphrase out there. Don't try and use it to make false accusations and slander the church.

PS: EGW was a 'co-founder' of the church and really wasn't big aspect in its original formation. Joseph Bates, James White and J.N. Loughborough
had more of a hand in the formation of the church then EGW.

Giubox
I understand where your coming from, but how does one explain those verses I posted? I mean even the message is not that off. This Bible actually changes the scriptures.

 

[mutzrein]

Giubox
I understand where your coming from, but how does one explain those verses I posted? I mean even the message is not that off. This Bible actually changes the scriptures.

As indeed do ALL paraphrases. It is all based on man's interpretation but it doesn't mean to say that an entire denomination is based on it.

 

[jgredline]

Giubox
I understand where your coming from, but how does one explain those verses I posted? I mean even the message is not that off. This Bible actually changes the scriptures.

As indeed do ALL paraphrases. It is all based on man's interpretation but it doesn't mean to say that an entire denomination is based on it.

This has actually had me some what facinated. From what I have gathered this is being passed off as ''a bible'' and whats more, this is the bible that the SDA church recommends to ''new converts''...

Check out this web site http://www.ratzlaf.com/currupt.htm
Now tomarrow, I will see if I can get my hands on one. If I do I wkll scan some pages and post them. Their are a few SDA churches in my Area, I may pay them a visit or call on the phone...

Right now this does not look good for this sect.......atleast in my book....


Here are a few distortions...

Distortions to Deny the Bible Teaching Regarding
Man’s Nature and Death
In Word to the Little Flock, 1847, Ellen recorded her vision of Dec 12, 1844 and tells of being taken up into Heaven and seeing Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Daniel and other saints. However, SDA’s unscriptural sanctuary teaching with its investigative judgment are contrary to the Bible teaching that we have an inner man called a ‘soul’ or ‘spirit’ that goes to be with Christ when we die. Thus that part of Ellen’s vision of the departed in heaven were, with her own approval, deleted among some 200 lines from other early publications where her ‘visions’ were reprinted for the church. Below we list a number of Scriptures, now distorted by the CWB, to deny the Biblical teaching in this area:

1. 2 Cor 4:16 “…though our outward man is perishing, yet the inner man is being renewed day by day†adds & changes “though physically we’re wearing out, yet every day new life and determination spring up inside of usâ€Â.

2. Eph 3:6 “to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man.†CWB deletes “will strengthen you with power through the Holy Spirit (____).†Nb. This inner man is his person having personal qualifications: mind, will, emotions; called ‘soul /spirit’.

3. Ps 49:11 “Their inner thought is that their houses will continue forever and their dwelling places to all generations; they call their lands after their own names.†Change & adds “Everyone who dies is lowered into a narrow grave even if he owned hundreds of acres while he was aliveâ€Â.

4. Ps 5:9 “For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is destruction; their throat is an open tombâ€Â. changes & adds “Lord it seems as if I can’t trust anyone anymore or lean on others for help Because I am a King everyone flatters me and says what they think I want to hear…â€Â

5. Lk 11:39 “Your inward part is full of greed and wickedness†changed “But many of them care very little about how clean they are on the insideâ€Â.

6. Matt 7:15 “…but inwardly they are ravening wolves†change & add “but you can’t always be sure which way they are leading youâ€Â.

7. 2Cor 7:15 “…his inward affection for you is greater as he remembers your obedience†changed & adds “as a result of his experience with you his devotion to you is much greater.â€Â

8. Ps 51:6 “Thou desirest truth in the inward parts†omits “You look for purity and truth from me (___)â€Â.

9. Jer 31:33 “I will put my Law in their inward parts†changed “I will put my laws in their minds…â€Â

NB. Job 38:36 CWB “Who puts wisdom in the Inward Parts of man, or gives understanding to his Soulâ€Â. In this parallelism, the ‘Inward Parts of man’ is ‘His Soul’.â€â€an obvious Fruedian slip in CWB!

10. Rom 7:22 “I delight in the law of God according to the inward man†CBW deletes “I really appreciate having God’s law to guide me (___)â€Â.

11. Zch 12:1“Thus says the Lord who…forms the spirit of man within him†change & delete “this is a message from the Lord, who…gave life to man (___)â€Â.

12. James 4:5 “..the spirit who dwells in us yearn to envy†change & adds “…God jealously longs for His people to be what He wants them to beâ€Â.

13. Gen 6:5 “..every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually†change & delete “..all day long they thought (____) of nothing else but sinningâ€Â.

14. Job 32:8 “But there is a spirit in man, and the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding†change & delete “But it is the Spirit of the Almighty that gives (____) men wisdomâ€Â.

15. Acts 17:16 “his spirit was provoked within him†change & delete “he became more and more provoked (____) by what he saw…â€Â

16. Dan 7:15 “I, Daniel was grieved in my spirit within my body…†change & delete “ was really bothered (____) by the visionâ€Â

17. Zech 12:1 “Thus saith the Lord, who… formeth the spirit of man within him†change & omit “This is a message from the Lord who…gave life to manâ€Â

18. Isa 26:9 “With my soul I have desired you…by my spirit within me, I will seek you…†change & delete “our souls long for you…our souls (____)search after youâ€Â.

19. Ps 42:6 “O God, my soul is cast down within me†change & omit “My strength seems to be gone (___)â€Â.

20. Prov 19:2 “It is not good for a soul to be without knowledge†omit & add “It’s not good (___) to have enthusiasm without knowledgeâ€Â.

21. Job 10:1 “My soul loathes my life†change “I hate my own lifeâ€Â

22. Ps 139:4 “…and that my soul knows very well†change & add “and I know that it all didn’t just happenâ€Â.

23. 2Pet 2:8 “(Lot) tormented his righteous soul day to day†change & delete “that good man didn’t have a moment of peaceâ€Â. (Soul deleted)

24. Prov 20:27 “The spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord†to “The Lord uses man’s conscience as a lampâ€Â.

25. Jn 3:3,5+6 “Unless one is born again…born of water and of the Spirit…that which is born of flesh is fleshly, that which is born of the Spirit is spirit†change & delete “…born again thr Holy Spirit and through baptism…that which is physical is one thing, that which is spiritual is anotherâ€Â.

26. Rom 8:16 “The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God†change+add “When we claim God as our Father, it is the Holy Spirit who testifies with us, that we are truly God’s children. (here ‘our spirit’ is given as ‘us’)

27. Ezek 11:19 “I will put a renewed spirit within them†changed “I will put a unity of spirit within themâ€Â

28. Eph 4:23 “..and be renewed in the spirit of your mind†add & change “Determine to live totally for Him. Begin each day with a commitment to live for Christâ€Â.

29. Ezek 18:31 “get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel?â€Âomit & changes “get new hearts and new minds for yourselves. Why should you die (___)?â€Â. NB. Both Ps 51:10 and Ezek 36:26+27 in NKJV & CWB show man’s spirit is within him, but needs renewal.

 

[jgredline]

Its easy to see how these people that have been exposed by Oscar came to their false beliefs..............These people who think Hell is a rest stop on the way to annhialation.....People who believe the words of man over Jesus e.g. matt 25:46

Death: Biblically Defined as Separation of the Spirit from the Body.
30. James 2:26 “…the body without the spirit is dead†changed “a person’s body is useless without breath†(Nb ‘breath’ does not have mind, will, emotions, & is not renewed as is man’s spirit (above)

31. 2Cor 4:16-18 “for that which is seen (outward man) is temporal; but that which is not seen (inward man) is eternal†CWB change & add “what we see around us is temporary and will soon be destroyed, but that which can’t be seen now will last foreverâ€Â.

32. Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who can kill the body, but not the soul, but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell.†change, add & omit “they can kill your body, but not your spirit or loyalty to me. Now if there’s something to be concerned about, it’s that you don’t lose your faith in Godâ€Â.

33. Eccl 8:8 “No one has power over his spirit, to retain his spirit…in the day of death.†changed “no one has power to hold onto life, to keep himself from dyingâ€Â.

34. Matt 27:50 “..He cried out again with a loud voice, yielded up His spirit.â€Â(‘aphiemi’=sent away, divorce). change & add “Suddenly Jesus cried with a loud voice “It is finished†and bowed his head and diedâ€Â

35. Jn 19:30 “…bowing His head He delivered up His spirit†(paredoke=deliver into one’s care) changed “cried out with an unusually strong voice “It is finished†Then he bowed his head and diedâ€Â. Nb Acts 7:59 “Stephen…cried out “Lord Jesus, I give myself to you, receive my spiritâ€Â. CWB

36. Phil 1:21+23 “For me to live is Christ and to die is gain…For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ which is far better.†add & change “If I am released it will be to the glory of Christ, if I receive the death sentence, it will also be for the glory of Christ, and maybe even more so…So I’ve been wrestling with mixed emotions. One the one hand I would prefer to be sentenced to death, and in the next moment of consciousness see Christ which would be much better than staying in this old worldâ€Â.

37. Gen 35:18 “And so it was, as her soul was departing, (for she died)…†change & omit “But Rachel didn’t survive the birth (____) and as she was dying…â€Â

38. 2Tim 4:6 “For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand†change & add “As for me, I’m ready to spill my blood as an offering to God. I believe this time Caesar will not hesitate to hand down the death sentence.â€Â

39. 2Cor 5:8 “We are…pleased rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.†change & omit “We would like to be (____) there with the Lord rather than being hereâ€Â.

40. 2Pet 1:13-15 “...as long as I am in this tent…I must put off my tent just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me…after my departure†change & omit “as long as I can…I’ll soon be arrested and crucified (___) just as the Lord Jesus Christ told me…after I’m goneâ€Â.

41. 2Cor 5:1+4 nb .clarified “We know that if this earthly body which we now inhabit should be destroyed, we have a new body waiting for us…an immortal body made by the hand of God…since we’re still living in our earthly bodies…we groan because we wish our frail mortality could be exchanged for the vibrancy of immortalityâ€Â.

42. Ps 73:24 “You will guide me with your counsel, and afterward receive me to glory†change/add “I know you will continue to guide me, and when my life is over you will let me sleep, then come back to take me homeâ€Â.

43. Eccl 12:6+7 “Remember your creator before the silver cord is loosed…then the dust will return to earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it†change/add & omit “(____)the silver chain that holds you to your loved ones will finally break…your body will decay and return to dust, and the spark of life which God gave will go back to himâ€Â.

44. Ps 90:10 “For it (our life) is soon cut off and we fly away†omit/change “(____)then we are goneâ€Â.

45. Rev 6:9 “..I saw under the altar, the souls of those who had been slain for the Word†change/add “I saw the altar and under it were human bones representing those who died for the Lord…†nb. Parallels Rev 15:1-4 saints in Heaven, before 7 last plagues poured (ch 16) and Jesus comes (16:15-21)

46. Matt 22:32 “I am the God of Abraham…Isaac…Jacob. God is not the God of the dead, but of the living†change & add “He is not only the God of those who are dead, but He is also the God who gives lifeâ€Â.

47. Mk 12:27 “He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living†change/ add “What was God telling Moses? He was telling him that He was the one who activated Sarah’s dead womb giving through Abraham life to Isaac, who in turn gave life to Jacob. Therefore God is not the end of life, but the Giver of life.â€Â

48. Lk 20:38 “For He is not the God of the Dead, but of the Living, for all live to Him†change/add/omit “From the experiences of these three patriarchs you can tell that They BELIEVED That God is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living (_____)â€Â.

49. Heb 12:22+23 “But you have come to…the Heavenly Jerusalem…to God the judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect†change & add “you’ve come to the heavenly Jerusalem…you have come into the presence of God the judge of all the earth, to join righteous men and women who figuratively are already there (____)â€Â.

50. Heb 12:9 “…be in subjection to the Father of Spirits and live†change & add “have more respect for God (___) and be willing to submit to His disciplineâ€Â.

51. 1Ths 5:10 “(Christ) who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him†change &‚¬Å“He died for us, and whether we’re alive or dead when he comes, we belong to him and He will take us home to beg with Him foreverâ€Â.



Resurrectionâ€â€the Departed Spirit Returns into the Dead Body
52. 1Kg 17:21+22 “O Lord my God, I pray, let this child’s soul come back to him…and the soul of the child came back to him, and he revived†change & omit “O Lord God (___)please give this boy’s life back to him…and life came back into the boy’s bodyâ€Â.

53. Lk 8:55 “Then her spirit returned, and she arose immediately†change/ add “immediately her life returned and she sat up and looked aroundâ€Â.

54. 1Ths 4:14 “God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus†(when he comes to raise the dead vs15+16) change/add “those who died believing in Him, will be raised to life by God just as Jesus wasâ€Â.


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[SputnikBoy]

Lord help us! :o

If I had to pick someone to explain the SDA faith the last person I would choose on this forum is oscar!

Hey, don't knock Oscar, guibox. He has a big influence on the forum. A couple of the mods in particular hang on to every word he says ... :D

Let me 'clear' things up...

The 'Clear Word' is one man's paraphrase written to make devotional study easier. It is not an official bible version of the SDA church (mutz had it right...the KJV is the standard though many SDAs use many different versions). Heck, only a few SDAs at my church actually own one to read.

Treat it like any other paraphrase out there. Don't try and use it to make false accusations and slander the church.

PS: EGW was a 'co-founder' of the church and really wasn't big aspect in its original formation. Joseph Bates, James White and J.N. Loughborough had more of a hand in the formation of the church then EGW.

I recall about 10 years ago when our (SDA) pastor of the day stood up at the pulpit and denounced the Clear Word Bible. Until then - and SINCE then - I never knew that such a publication existed. I've honestly never seen one.

The Clear Word Bible is a non-issue but no doubt the 'SDA bashers' will have a field day with it since the topic has been raised. I see jg putting on his 'caped crusader' outfit poised and ready to take action. I can already hear the unimaginative rhetoric ...false teaching from the devil himself . . .doctrines straight from the pits of hell ...!" Oh my . . . :o

Forget it jg ...you'll be wasting your time. The KJV and other 'mainstream' Bible versions is the ONLY source for SDA teaching. Try a (KJV) Bible study sometime, jg ...you might learn that the SDAs really DO have something very special to say about Bible truths ... They actually BELIEVE it! :wink:

 

[Oscar3]

Although there are MANY heresies within the Adventist church, we will deal with six of the areas that the Adventists feel are mandatory teachings:

(1) Seventh Day Adventism denies the Biblical Doctrine of the COMPLETE atoneing Sacrifice of Christ as THE ONLY means of man's salvation. This is the most serious of the heresies of the Adventist. We quote Mrs. White: "The ministration of the priest throughout the years in the first apartment of the sanctuary (which sanctuary Mrs. White places in heaven and not on earth.) ... Represents the work of ministration upon which Christ entered at His ascension ... For eighteen centuries this work of ministration continued in the first apartment of the sanctuary. The blood of Christ, pleaded in behalf of penitent believers, secured their pardon and acceptance with the Father, yet their sins still remained upon the books of record." -THE GREAT CONTROVERSY- We have yet to obtain an answer from the Adventist to the question, How are sins pardoned YET kept on the books?

 

[Oscar3]

(2) Seventh Day Adventism denies the FINALITY of the work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. They THUS claim Jesus to be a LIAR in His statement, "IT IS FINISHED!" Again, we quote Mrs. White: "As in typical service, there was work for atonement at the close of the year, so before Christ's work for redemption of men IS COMPLETED, there is a work of atonement for the removal of sin from the sanctuary. This is the service which began when the 2,300 days ended.

(NOTE: Mrs White taught that this was the year 1844!) At that time, as foretold by Daniel the Prophet, our high priest entered the most Holy to perform the LAST DIVISION of His solemn work to CLEANSE THE SANCTUARY ... in the new covenant the sins of the repentant are by faith placed upon Christ, and TRANSFERRED, IN FACT, TO THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY ... so the actual cleansing of the heavenly (sanctuary) is to be accomplished by the removal, or blotting out, of the sins that are there recorded. But, BEFORE this can be accomplished, there MUST BE AN EXAMINATION OF THE BOOKS of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His Atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a WORK OF INVESTIGATION - a work of judgement. Those who followed in the light of the prophetic word saw that, INSTEAD OF COMING TO THE EARTH at the termination of the 2,300 days in 1844 (as "prophet" William Miller had widely proclaimed), Christ entered in to the most holy place of the heavenly, to PERFORM the CLOSING WORK OF ATONEMENT preparatory to his coming."

-THE GREAT CONTROVERSY-

We feel it helpful to outline some history. William Miller prophesied that Christ would come (This is where the name 'ADVENTIST' - One who looks to the ADVENT) in 1844. We need not ask if this happened - it was a false prophesy! Look at what the Bible has to say about False Prophets. Mrs. White then stepped in with her "higher revelation" that Christ only went into the "heavenly sanctuary" and, as shown above, to "COMPLETE" the work that he started here on earth! This is what the Adventists refer to as "investigative judgement" -preparation for His Second coming.

We do not find a reference, in the BIBLE, for such an act of Christ nor do we find reference to a sanctuary in heaven. We cannot find reference to sin being in heaven as claimed above in Mrs. White's book! It would seem, from the writings, that THE SANCTUARY, in some manner actually becomes the sin bearer or mediator for believers!

 

[jgredline]

Hey Oscar
Cool Avatar and signiture.....
I am going to have to come up with something cool, but it will be tough to have a cool one like yours or Lewis....

Oh, Good stuff on the SDA bunch

 

[mutzrein]

Hey Oscar - Is this your own material or someone elses?

 

[Oscar3]

Hey Oscar - Is this your own material or someone elses?

NO, no no
That is some elses.
I was under the impression that I should not post the links, so I did not.