A "dumb and deaf spirit."

[sheshisown]

It is wise when looking into scriptures which entail experiences that are not
"common among believers" that we as His Body listen to those who have actually dealt with
these things before for wisdom and discernment. :yes

Jason has the experience and speaks what the scripture in Luke 9:37-42 explains.

Now it happened on the next day, when they had come down from the mountain, that a great multitude met Him. Suddenly a man from the multitude cried out, saying, "Teacher, I implore You, look on my son, for he is my only child. And behold, a spirit seizes him, and he suddenly cries out;

Jesus knew that this was caused by demonic possession. Not the possession of the Devil himself, for Jesus casts it out without trouble at all... and clearly lets the disciples know that they can do the same as they fast and pray... :yes

I implored Your disciples to cast it out, but they could not: Why could not the disciples cast this demon out, when they had previously had success...? Look at Luke 9:1

Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases.

The reason is because there are "ranks" of demonic powers Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Some demons are stronger ~more resistant~ than others.

In Matthew 17:21, Jesus said that their failure was because of a lack of prayer and fasting...
The idea is that prayer and fasting draw us closer to the heart and mind of God, and align us with His power. Prayer and fasting make us partners with the Lord... and cause our faith to grow in Him as well.

Little faith can accomplish great things; but great faith can accomplish even greater things. What matters most is what our faith is in, the object of our faith. "The eye cannot see itself. Did you ever see your own eye? In a mirror you may have done so, but that was only a reflection of it. And you may, in like manner, see the evidence of your faith, but you cannot look at the faith itself. Faith looks away from itself to the object of faith, even to Christ." (Charles Spurgeon)
:D

When we pray and fast it shows that we are employed in service to Christ~ and fully dependent on Him for the work. Fervent prayers come out of a heart that has wrestled with troubling matters, and denied self to contend for souls. Passion is born out of wrestling in prayer again and again with the same request before God...

Then Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, healed the child, and gave him back to his father: We see that Jesus had no difficulty at all casting out this demon, because He was close to God the Father, and aligned with His heart and will, and passionate in His prayer~ So that the Father’s power was accessed immediately! For none can nor DO deliver except God alone.

sheshisown~

 

[jasoncran]

does the demomic activity continue like that? yes

a fellow christian who was a bus driver talked about listening to christian music on the bus and heard children arguing and this boy was fighting and she noticed something about him, and she quieted him down, and this went on for a week(it happened daily).

one day the driver cried out to jesus in frustration, and the boy cringed in fear, and then the spirit with in him said, i will act nice on this bus, if you dont call out the name of the lord. i know you and that you live for the lord. she agreed. this boy was 6 yrs old. this child never asked to be delivered from the spirit. and the bus driver has ran into him yrs later and he is still possesed, scary but true.

a person has to want to come clean of the spirit and be saved other wise the spirit will leave and the person will be possesed by even more demons!

 

[Elijah674]

satan & 1/3 of his followers are on earth as spirits. satan + were created such & were saved in that perfection having access to angels food before their rebellion. And ONLY the Godhead have IMMORTALITY. Even Adam + all of us had the provission removed (Tree of Life) after Adams sin.We seek for immortality with the tree of life being restored to us if faithful. Nah. 1:9 And yes all of creation that sined will indeed die at least once.. pluss angels!

--Elijah

 

[whirlwind]

No. The deaf and dumb spirit was simply a spirit that made the boy deaf and mute. It wasn't Satan and has nothing to do with people being hard of heart and blind to the truth.

Free, His Words, not me, tell us who the spirit was....

• Luke 9:42 And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father.
  
  Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

Then it is up to us to understand if the spirit itself was deaf and dumb or the spirit itself was the spirit that causes that affliction...deaf and dumbness. Todd correctly interpreted that verse.

The devil, or demonic spirit...which is a satanic spirit, is the spirit that caused and causes souls to not see, hear or speak God's truths. The devil is the spirit that causes many to be deaf and dumb to our Father's love and salvation. It is up to us to allow God to work through us to bring those He gives us power to help....to Him. Here we are told there will be times that all we can do is pray and fast. It is God that will or will not cause the evil spirit to depart.

Before going off and making verses say something they are not saying, please make sure you know what "His words" really are. I am quite certain that "the devil" is not the correct rendering and rather that it should be "demon" or "unclean spirit" or something of that sort. That would be quite the boy to have the devil himself possessing him for his entire life up to that point, as though the devil had nothing better to do.

As the Spirit of Christ dwells in us...so the spirit of Satan dwells in some.

 

[Free]

As the Spirit of Christ dwells in us...so the spirit of Satan dwells in some.

How so? The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit who can dwell in all. How is it that "Satan's spirit," if there even is such a thing, could dwell in more than one? It looks like you're trying to equate to different meanings of spirit.

 

[whirlwind]

As the Spirit of Christ dwells in us...so the spirit of Satan dwells in some.

How so? The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit who can dwell in all. How is it that "Satan's spirit," if there even is such a thing, could dwell in more than one? It looks like you're trying to equate to different meanings of spirit.

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

 

[Free]

As the Spirit of Christ dwells in us...so the spirit of Satan dwells in some.

How so? The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit who can dwell in all. How is it that "Satan's spirit," if there even is such a thing, could dwell in more than one? It looks like you're trying to equate to different meanings of spirit.

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

And that proves what exactly? How does that answer my questions?

 

[whirlwind]

You asked how Satan's spirit could dwell in more than one. We are shown that Satan's spirit entered Judas...unless you believe Satan himself became Judas, it shows that he dwelled "in more than one."

If a spirit is termed demonic then would it not be of the big old mac daddy demon himself? If we are filled with the Holy Spirit and some are filled with the unclean, demonic, satanic spirit then.....who do you attribute it to?

 

[shad]

And that proves what exactly? How does that answer my questions?

Come on now free, WW answered your question.
What's up with you?

.

 

[Libre]

I can't find the reference, but I read an article about rabbinic tradition and the things Jesus did to show He was Messiah. Three of the four were: Heal someone born blind - which assumed that He could forgive the sin the "caused" it, raise someone from the dead after three day (Lazarus - 4th day), and cast out a deaf and dumb spirit - for such a spirit could not identify itself. But it did cry out in the presence of the Son of God!

There was something on Sid Roth's site, but I can't find it. I looked it up, because my pastor had listed the things in a sermon.

 

[Free]

You asked how Satan's spirit could dwell in more than one. We are shown that Satan's spirit entered Judas...unless you believe Satan himself became Judas, it shows that he dwelled "in more than one."

You stated: "As the Spirit of Christ dwells in us...so the spirit of Satan dwells in some."
I replied: "The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit who can dwell in all. How is it that "Satan's spirit," if there even is such a thing, could dwell in more than one?"

All you did was post a verse which showed that Satan entered Judas. But that doesn't answer what I asked, not to mention you are assuming that Satan has a spirit.

And that proves what exactly? How does that answer my questions?

Come on now free, WW answered your question.
What's up with you?

Well, no, she didn't answer my question.

You said in another topic: "When we continually argue in circle, it is not mature Christian thing to do."
Mature Christians sit around and talk about these things because they care about the truth, because the truth matters very much. One cannot just go around making verses say something they do not.

 

[whirlwind]

You asked how Satan's spirit could dwell in more than one. We are shown that Satan's spirit entered Judas...unless you believe Satan himself became Judas, it shows that he dwelled "in more than one."

You stated: "As the Spirit of Christ dwells in us...so the spirit of Satan dwells in some."
I replied: "The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit who can dwell in all. How is it that "Satan's spirit," if there even is such a thing, could dwell in more than one?"

All you did was post a verse which showed that Satan entered Judas. But that doesn't answer what I asked, not to mention you are assuming that Satan has a spirit.

• Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
  
  11 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

"Air," as used there, isn't the atmosphere but is rather "breath of life," spirit. Satan is the prince of the power of the spirit working in his children. He is the god of this world that blinds. God blinds some to protect them while Satan blinds some to destroy them.

 

[Ret]

You asked how Satan's spirit could dwell in more than one. We are shown that Satan's spirit entered Judas...unless you believe Satan himself became Judas, it shows that he dwelled "in more than one."

You stated: "As the Spirit of Christ dwells in us...so the spirit of Satan dwells in some."
I replied: "The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit who can dwell in all. How is it that "Satan's spirit," if there even is such a thing, could dwell in more than one?"

• Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week,
  he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. KJV
  
  Matthew 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him
  many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the
  spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: KJV
  
  Acts 8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of
  many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies,
  and that were lame, were healed. KJV

We are given to 'try the spirits' because....there are MANY....

• 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but
  try the spirits whether they are of God: because
  many false prophets are gone out into the world. KJV

Yes, Free....in Christ, there is ONE SPIRIT in all His family...

• Ephesians 4:4-6
  4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
  5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
  6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. KJV

 

[toddm]

Can anybody tell me how the spirit got there?

I don't see how that's relevant since the text is silent about how the demon got there in the first place. The point is that it happens and there may be conditions that invite a demon (ie, witchcraft, or whatever) but the Holy Spirit was obviously not worried about us knowing how it got there when He inspired the Gospel writer.

 

[whirlwind]

Can anybody tell me how the spirit got there?

I don't see how that's relevant since the text is silent about how the demon got there in the first place. The point is that it happens and there may be conditions that invite a demon (ie, witchcraft, or whatever) but the Holy Spirit was obviously not worried about us knowing how it got there when He inspired the Gospel writer.

Actually Todd and ManofGod...that is a very interesting question. We're specifically told, and should take notice of that telling.....

• Mark 9:21 And He asked his father, "How long is it ago since this came unto him?" And he said, "Of a child.

Why would that particular kind of "foul spirit," a "dumb and deaf spirit," enter him when he was a child? What is being said? Does that spirit, that can only "come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting," enter young children and gain strength as the body matures?

 

[toddm]

Can anybody tell me how the spirit got there?

I don't see how that's relevant since the text is silent about how the demon got there in the first place. The point is that it happens and there may be conditions that invite a demon (ie, witchcraft, or whatever) but the Holy Spirit was obviously not worried about us knowing how it got there when He inspired the Gospel writer.

Actually Todd and ManofGod...that is a very interesting question. We're specifically told, and should take notice of that telling.....

• Mark 9:21 And He asked his father, "How long is it ago since this came unto him?" And he said, "Of a child.

Why would that particular kind of "foul spirit," a "dumb and deaf spirit," enter him when he was a child? What is being said? Does that spirit, that can only "come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting," enter young children and gain strength as the body matures?

That's an assumption into the text and I would recommend avoiding such a way to interpret a passage. The bottom line is we're not told why. We can speculate until Jesus returns, but be careful about inserting what you think is the reason.