Barbarian
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No, that's wrong. Miracles are not in any way ruled out by evolutionary theory. Science just can't deal with the supernatural. Can't assert it, can't deny it.
But scientists can.
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But scientists can.
journeymanisnothing
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1 So where ya from?
2) Egypt.
1) Did you have a nice trip?
2) No.
1) How come?
2) I was a slave, but when God freed me, my people kept worshipping false gods, so it was a long trip. Only one other guy beside me is left from the original group.
I've been wearing these sandals 40 years.
1) Let me see that.......hmmm.....your sandal has no wear of 40 years on it! And everyone knows through testing that we can tell how old things are.!!
You sir are a liar!!!
2) But God sustained me.
1) Then your God is a deceiver!!!!
That's all this is.
Barbarian
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No, that's wrong. Miracles are not in any way ruled out by evolutionary theory. Science just can't deal with the supernatural. Can't assert it, can't deny it.
But scientists can. That's all this is.
Barbarian
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The good thing is, God doesn't care how we interpret the yom of creation. It's not going to affect our salvation, unless it replaces the things that matter to God.
Hi Barbarian
I know that's the standard argument that non-YEC's use to explain the insignificance of believing God's word, but...
There isn't any real dispute over 'what' yom means. 2,500 years after the creation event, when the law was written, by the very finger of God, everyone knew what a day was. I mean, then there's that place where the writing of the Revelation tells us that all 'unbelievers' will be cast out of God's kingdom. I believe, that if God His very self actually wrote something to us with His own hand, that He expects His children to believe it. I do.
Finally, in Paul's letter to the the Colossians, he seems to have warned us to not be taken in by hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
God bless,
Ted
journeymanisnothing
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Sure are. Scientists say man didn't first appear on Earth 6000 years ago because of "their evidence",
journeymanisnothing
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Barbarian,
I know you don't think it matters concerning salvation and that may be true, but I'll tell you something that is true.
The story of Adam is of a man created in Gods' image. He was sent from paradice for committing sin.
We know from the NT the man in Gods' image is the 2nd Adam, who came voluntarily from heavenly Eden forgiving the repentant for sinning against him. Even the sin of murdering him.
The only transformation of man in Gen.1 is from Gods' image to sinner then back again by the renewal of mind.
The only body change of humans is at resurrection time and apparently only believers, so chuck dna out the window.
I know you don't think it matters concerning salvation and that may be true, but I'll tell you something that is true.
The story of Adam is of a man created in Gods' image. He was sent from paradice for committing sin.
We know from the NT the man in Gods' image is the 2nd Adam, who came voluntarily from heavenly Eden forgiving the repentant for sinning against him. Even the sin of murdering him.
The only transformation of man in Gen.1 is from Gods' image to sinner then back again by the renewal of mind.
The only body change of humans is at resurrection time and apparently only believers, so chuck dna out the window.
Barbarian
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God didn't say men appeared on Earth 6000 years ago.
The evidence shows that they didn't.
The oldest structure in Jericho is about 10,000 years old.
Barbarian
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I know it's true, because Jesus made it very clear what would determine whether we would spend eternity with Him or with the devil.
Not a physical image, because as Jesus says God is a spirit. And Jesus said that a spirit has no body.
Yes.
He's not merely "in God's image." He is wholly God, one in being with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Jesus says that when He separates the sheep from the goats, some will come to him and ask what they did to deserve salvation. They will be those who do not have the law, but did by nature the things contained in the law.
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Barbarian
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It's a dispute as to the meaning of His word. I get that. It doesn't matter to one's salvation. If you wrongly but truly believe the world to be only a few thousand years old, the penalty for being wrong, is no penalty at all. Likewise if you wrongly but truly believe the world is billions of years old and that Genesis is consistent with that evidence the penalty for being wrong is no penalty at all.
That's not what will save you. There will be no theology quiz at judgement. God will only ask if you loved Him and your fellow man enough to care for them.
Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.
This mattered to Jesus so much that He told His followers to emulate a heretical Samaritan who loved his fellow man rather than a theologically-correct Levite who did not.
Hi Barbarian
God's word tells us that He created all things in both heaven and earth in six days. He then tells us that He created Adam on the sixth day. Then through the genealogical record of Genesis, we can add together the number of years from father to son from Adam through Abraham.
It's really not difficult, but one has to be willing to throw out the wisdom of the world and trust in the wisdom of God.
So, you may be correct that God won't care about your understanding of the matter, but you are making God out to be a liar, if you then teach something that isn't true about God and His word. I also believe that it diminishes the power and glory and wisdom of God when we teach that He didn't really just create everything 'ex nihilo', but actually the natural forces of this world created most everything that we see.
Those are my thoughts on the matter. And I believe fully supported by God's testimony.
God bless,
Ted
Except that Jesus has told us that His Father's word is truth. Jesus has told us that the Holy Spirit will guide believers into all truth. God's word tells us that unbelievers will not enter the kingdom of God.'
God's word tells us that He created all things in both heaven and earth in six days. He then tells us that He created Adam on the sixth day. Then through the genealogical record of Genesis, we can add together the number of years from father to son from Adam through Abraham.
It's really not difficult, but one has to be willing to throw out the wisdom of the world and trust in the wisdom of God.
So, you may be correct that God won't care about your understanding of the matter, but you are making God out to be a liar, if you then teach something that isn't true about God and His word. I also believe that it diminishes the power and glory and wisdom of God when we teach that He didn't really just create everything 'ex nihilo', but actually the natural forces of this world created most everything that we see.
Those are my thoughts on the matter. And I believe fully supported by God's testimony.
God bless,
Ted
Barbarian
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No. I'm not even making you out to be a liar. You just interpret the account in your own way. And He doesn't care, so long as you get the message He's telling you. And it's not the age of the Earth, or exactly how new species come to be.
journeymanisnothing
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If we count how many years from Adam to Jesus it's abour 6000 years.
Well, maybe people didn't think it was important to build anything before a few thousand years ago.
Hi Barbarian
Further, why would you not believe God's word on the matter? He says that He created everything in six days. Do you believe that?
God bless,
Ted
Must be nice to actually have the mind of God. How do you know that He doesn't care? Is that written in the Scriptures somewhere? "Listen, I don't care whether or not you believe anything I've revealed to you in my testimony to you, so long as you have trusted in Jesus". You know for a fact that's a true statement? I mean, if I tell someone the truth about something that I did, I'd care if others, especially my own family, didn't believe me.
Further, why would you not believe God's word on the matter? He says that He created everything in six days. Do you believe that?
God bless,
Ted
Hi journeyman
God bless,
Ted
Actually, I think if we count the years from Adam to Jesus, it's closer to 4,000 years. It's about 6,000 years to the day in which we live now.
God bless,
Ted
journeymanisnothing
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Sincere repentance for sinning against him is all that's required.
That's what the sinners who condemned him thought.
Right. Those who condemned him weren't aware that he was holdimg back his wrath against the miserable, disgusting, sinful way he was being treated.
Our Father didn't punish his Son in place of sinners. Sinners punished Jesus in place of our Father.
Our Savior patiently endured sin against himself, instead of destroying vile sinners who deserved death. Ok?
No. The knowledge of good and evil was known before the law of Moses. Gods' law clearly defined sin and that sin is against God. In other words,
the law entered, that the offence might abound. Rom.5:20
Not having a written law doesn't excuse conduct which a person knows is wrong,
their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another Rom.2:15
journeymanisnothing
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I stand corrected! Thanks Ted.
Uncle J
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So if that's true, if someone concludes that the universe, and the earth and its life did not all come into being in 6 days less than 10,000 years ago, are they justified in rejecting Christianity?
Barbarian
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That's not what He says in Matthew 25.
Not a physical image, because as Jesus says God is a spirit. And Jesus said that a spirit has no body.
That's what Jesus said. I believe Him.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Jesus says that when He separates the sheep from the goats, some will come to him and ask what they did to deserve salvation. They will be those who do not have the law, but did by nature the things contained in the law.
Yes. That is the word of God. I believe Him.
Right. That's why Paul says that they are justified by natural law which God gives every person so they are without excuse.