[__ Science __ ] A Humble Attempt To Reconcile God and Science Through Mathematics

[Just_Michael]

Since I am limited to 10,000 words, and my post wasn't near that threshold (but the site said it was), I'm going to post images instead.

I would love any feedback, questions, comments, or discussions on this topic as I think I have a rather novel and truly unique take on science and God that permits God's existence and the agency of His power while simultaneously upholding physical laws and constraints. God and science doesn't have to be either/or; God is the science, and His creation is there to foster human spiritual evolution to create beings with free will that will still act in perfect accordance with His will. Free will, too, is not eliminated in a deterministic universe because God set the probabilities at the moment of creation, and we have free will to choose which path to follow: God's (order, light, harmony) or Satan's (chaos, entropy, noise).

Hidden In Him

I apologize for the wall of images, but this was the only way I could include the full text of it all.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Since I am limited to 10,000 words, and my post wasn't near that threshold (but the site said it was), I'm going to post images instead.

I would love any feedback, questions, comments, or discussions on this topic as I think I have a rather novel and truly unique take on science and God that permits God's existence and the agency of His power while simultaneously upholding physical laws and constraints. God and science doesn't have to be either/or; God is the science, and His creation is there to foster human spiritual evolution to create beings with free will that will still act in perfect accordance with His will. Free will, too, is not eliminated in a deterministic universe because God set the probabilities at the moment of creation, and we have free will to choose which path to follow: God's (order, light, harmony) or Satan's (chaos, entropy, noise).

Hidden In Him

I apologize for the wall of images, but this was the only way I could include the full text of it all.

Greetings, Just Michael.

Good seeing you again. This appears to be a little beyond my pay grade, as I'm not as heavy into the scientific side of things as others are. But there may be someone else who would like to respond.

Blessings, and hope you are well.
Hidden

 

[Just_Michael]

Sorry about that--life has sort of happened. My second daughter was born on the 27th (Aislinn Quinn) and we've been busy trying to pay off our debt and whatnot.

This is a pet project, really, that I've been sort of revising as I go.

The tl;dr is, I think I've discovered scientific proof of God, or as close as we can come to it, all without violating any of Christian tenets or scripture. So, hopefully, we can get an actual scientist in here. lol

 

[Free]

Since I am limited to 10,000 words, and my post wasn't near that threshold (but the site said it was), I'm going to post images instead.

I would love any feedback, questions, comments, or discussions on this topic as I think I have a rather novel and truly unique take on science and God that permits God's existence and the agency of His power while simultaneously upholding physical laws and constraints. God and science doesn't have to be either/or; God is the science, and His creation is there to foster human spiritual evolution to create beings with free will that will still act in perfect accordance with His will. Free will, too, is not eliminated in a deterministic universe because God set the probabilities at the moment of creation, and we have free will to choose which path to follow: God's (order, light, harmony) or Satan's (chaos, entropy, noise).

Hidden In Him

I apologize for the wall of images, but this was the only way I could include the full text of it all.

Just for future reference, it's a 10,000 character, not word, limit. I hit it all the time and have to break posts into two or three.

 

[Just_Michael]

Just for future reference, it's a 10,000 character, not word, limit. I hit it all the time and have to break posts into two or three.

Yeah, that's what I meant to say. After attempting to post this post three times, I was more focused on actually getting it to post at all.

 

[Who Me]

I have a rather novel and truly unique take on science and God that permits God's existence and the agency of His power while simultaneously upholding physical laws and constraints. God and science doesn't have to be either/or; God is the science, and His creation is there to foster human spiritual evolution to create beings with free will that will still act in perfect accordance with His will.

Where do Christians say it is either God or Science?

While there is controversy over creation or evolution no Christian, I'm aware of actually denies science.

May I suggest that you submit your thesis to agencies like answer in genesis or creation.com.

 

[Just_Michael]

Oh, I don't believe that it must be either/or. To me, the beauty of the universe is that it allows for a Creator, and the fact that there are weird coincidences like the fine-tuning seems to hint at some kind of external force tinkering with the universe. I've tweaked it a bit to give a more mathematical framework for the null interval hypothesis and include a bit about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

I've emailed creation.com (an Australian site, apparently?), and I'm making an account on AnswersInGenesis to submit it there. I mean, I've had a little input from the scientific community over on Discord, but nothing that would render this hypothesis false. I'd be very happy, though, if it was used in apologetics, or contributed something to it.

 

[Rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma --- And bang! Back to plasma!
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, and a mind to study these things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

At God's word the Mass (m) turns to Plasma (E/c2)
At God's word the Plasma (E/c2) returns to Mass (m)

All to his will... All to his liking... No man being his counsellor...

Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? - Isaiah 40:13

 

[Just_Michael]

My take is slightly different. My idea is that the universe is recursive and self correcting, which causes it to “evolve” more and more efficient states of information exchange (think: QM observation), and its complexity is based on fractal iteration which allows it to repeat endlessly without actually repeating an identical aeon—each aeon uses the parameter information that came from the previous aeons to set the future aeon during the moment when conformal infinity is reached, triggering the Big Bang of a new aeon. Moreover, this "evolution" has no end point as its on an infinite range of repeating aeons (which, according to the CCC, is endless and had no beginning). This brings Bejan's Constructal Law to the fore.

Lately, I've been trying to come up with ways to falsify it and test it, and there may be some ways to prove it involving black hole mathematics. I've been arguing with physicists over the idea that Kaluza-Klein higher dimensional manifolds could set the boundary conditions at the end of one aeon for the proceeding aeon, using massless particles like photons passing through them to carry the information over.

 

[Just_Michael]

I have now added new mathematical formalisms and a section with potential avenues for falsification to prove or disprove certain aspects of it.

I also have added some correlations between Cellular Automata Theory and Weyl's Unified Field Theory to account for local dynamic interactions at the quantum level giving rise to the emergent properties that we observe in the universe.

The PDF can be found here.

 

[jasonc]

plasma is the fourth state of matter


lightning that you see is plasma and the air is so heated it formed that . it doesn't last long . welding uses it for merging metals . there is no chemical change with plasma but it's heat can be used to merge materials .thus welding

 

[Elijah7777]

God and science doesn't have to be either/or; God is the science

The Bible and Science are always in 100% agreement by definition. If you use science methoid to understand and interpret the Bible. The problem is when you use the traditions of man which Jesus warns us about.

 

[GodsGrace]

I have now added new mathematical formalisms and a section with potential avenues for falsification to prove or disprove certain aspects of it.

I also have added some correlations between Cellular Automata Theory and Weyl's Unified Field Theory to account for local dynamic interactions at the quantum level giving rise to the emergent properties that we observe in the universe.

The PDF can be found here.

You should contact Stephen Meyer.
Not too many will understand what you're posting and especially if you don't dumb it down.

You probably know who he is...otherwise check him out on YouTube.
James Tour would be good too but he's more into Chemistry.
Good luck. ( I believe that God will be proven to exist scientifically one day).

Stephen C. Meyer

Dr. Stephen C. Meyer received his PhD from the University of Cambridge in the philosophy of science. A former geophysicist and college professor, he now directs the Center for Science and Culture at…

www.discovery.org

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm still wondering how there was ocean and dry land and the earth was was growing grass and herbs and seeds that were reproducing plants on the 3rd day when the sun and moon and stars were created on the 4th day. Correct me if im wrong but plants need the sun first to grow? I need an answer.

And how there could have been evening and morning on the third day if on the 4th day...

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm still wondering how there was ocean and dry land and the earth was was growing grass and herbs and seeds that were reproducing plants on the 3rd day when the sun and moon and stars were created on the 4th day. Correct me if im wrong but plants need the sun first to grow. I need an answer. And how there could have been day and night on the third day if...?

The 4th day.

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

How do you know Genesis was literal?
How do you know time didn't pass between creations?
Have you noticed that chapter 1 is different than chapter 2?
Seems to me we Christians have a lot more to worry about than Genesis and HOW God created everything.
A lot more indeed.
Good night Corn Pop!
GG

 

[Corn Pop]

How do you know Genesis was literal?
How do you know time didn't pass between creations?
Have you noticed that chapter 1 is different than chapter 2?
Seems to me we Christians have a lot more to worry about than Genesis and HOW God created everything.
A lot more indeed.
Good night Corn Pop!
GG

I dont know that is why if im not sure of something I ask questions. Sure we have a lot more to worry about that how God created everything but it is part of bible study and its obviously in there for a reason. I think its wise if someone does not understand to ask questions because someone who has more knowledge and understanding of scripture may be able to answer, that is how we learn.

 

[GodsGrace]

I dont know that is why if im not sure of something I ask questions. Sure we have a lot more to worry about that how God created everything but it is part of bible study and its obviously in there for a reason. I think its wise if someone does not understand to ask questions because someone who has more knowledge and understanding of scripture may be able to answer, that is how we learn.

I did reply!

 

[hawkman]

I'm still wondering how there was ocean and dry land and the earth was was growing grass and herbs and seeds that were reproducing plants on the 3rd day when the sun and moon and stars were created on the 4th day. Correct me if im wrong but plants need the sun first to grow? I need an answer.

And how there could have been evening and morning on the third day if on the 4th day...

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Read here in Gill's Commentary on the first chapter of Genesis . Focus on the creation of light Gen1:3 , where do you think that light was coming from ? A lot to ruminate on here my friend .

GENESIS 1 COMMENTARY (GILL)

Genesis 1 COMMENTARY (Gill) and KJV Bible commentary. What is the meaning of Genesis 1?

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

 

[Elijah7777]

when the sun and moon and stars were created on the 4th day.

We read: "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven" The word firmament is very important here. There are other words for firmament: dome, canopy, sky, vault, expanse.

The easiest way to see this is to look at a planterian. For us this is the screen for a projector. In the real sky the firmament is a window that we see the Universe. The Universe was there on day one. On day one God created the Heavens and the Earth.

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In Genesis, the firmament is not just the sky—it’s a window. The Hebrew word raqia means something spread out or hammered, like a dome or canopy.

When God says, “Let there be lights in the firmament,” He’s placing the sun, moon, and stars into that window—so we can see, measure, and recognize.

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• The dome is the firmament.
• The projector shines stars onto it.
• The real universe is behind the screen.

In Genesis:

• Day One: God creates the heavens and earth—the universe exists.
• Day Four: He reveals the lights through the firmament, like turning on the projector.