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A Look At Obama's Health Care Bill

Lewis

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Lets take a look at this health care reform bill. Who here agrees with what President Obama is doing and has done with reforming Health care ? And if you don't agree why ? And if you do agree why ?

HOW MANY COVERED: 32 million uninsured. Major coverage expansion begins in 2014. When fully phased in, 94 percent of eligible non-elderly Americans will have coverage, compared with 83 percent now.

COST: $938 billion over 10 years for the coverage expansion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

DEFICIT REDUCTION: CBO says the measure will reduce deficits by $143 billion over a decade.

INSURANCE MANDATE: Almost everyone will be required to be insured or else pay a fine, which takes effect in 2014. There is an exemption for low-income people.
INSURANCE MARKET REFORMS: Starting this year, insurers will be forbidden from placing lifetime dollar limits on policies, from denying coverage to children because of pre-existing conditions, and from canceling policies because someone gets sick. Parents will be able to keep children on their coverage up to age 26. A new high-risk pool will offer coverage to uninsured people with medical problems until 2014, when the coverage expansion goes into high gear. Major consumer safeguards will also take effect in 2014. Insurers will be prohibited from denying coverage to people with medical problems or charging them more. Insurers will not be able to charge women more.

MEDICAID: Expands the federal-state Medicaid insurance program for the poor to cover people with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level, $29,327 a year for a family of four. Childless adults will be covered for the first time, starting in 2014. The federal government will pay 100 percent of costs for covering newly eligible individuals through 2016.
If the Senate approves a package of changes this week, a special deal that would have given Nebraska 100 percent federal financing for newly eligible Medicaid recipients in perpetuity would be eliminated. A different, one-time deal negotiated by Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu for her state, Louisiana, worth as much as $300 million, would remain.

TAXES: The bill applies an increased Medicare payroll tax to investment income and wages of individuals making more than $200,000 a year, or married couples above $250,000. The tax on investment income would be 3.8 percent if the Senate acts on a package of changes this week — higher than originally proposed. If the Senate follows through, the legislation also would impose a 40 percent tax on high-cost insurance plans worth more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. The tax would go into effect in 2018.

PRESCRIPTION DRUGS: Gradually closes the "doughnut hole" coverage gap in the Medicare prescription drug benefit that seniors fall into once they have spent $2,830. Seniors who hit the gap this year would receive a $250 rebate, if the Senate acts this week. Beginning in 2011, seniors in the gap would receive a discount on brand name drugs, initially 50 percent off. When the gap is completely eliminated in 2020, seniors will still be responsible for 25 percent of the cost of their medications until Medicare's catastrophic coverage kicks in.

EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY: Employers are hit with a fee if the government subsidizes their workers' coverage. Contingent on approval by the Senate this week, the $2,000-per-employee fee would be assessed on the company's entire work force, minus an allowance. Companies with 50 or fewer workers are exempt from the requirement.

HELP FOR SMALL BUSINESSES: Businesses with 25 or fewer employees that offer health coverage to their work force will get tax credits. The credits will start this year and rise in 2014 to a maximum of 50 percent of the cost of premiums offered by the smallest businesses, those with 10 or fewer workers.

SUBSIDIES FOR INDIVIDUALS: The aid is available on a sliding scale for households making up to four times the federal poverty level, $88,200 for a family of four. Premiums for a family of four making $44,000 will be capped at around 6 percent of income.
A Look at Obama's Health Care Overhaul Law - ABC News
 
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Government is not part of health care.

Let me buy the kind of insurance i want and let me deal with what happens.

IF we look at what the Government does the product they turn out i dont want them in health care.

Look at the schools, Social secerty, how much waste is in our military and the guys still not getting what they really need.


IF the liberals believe it is so great why has there been so many exceptions?

Congress should not force anyone to buy anything and it is double bad when they dont have to buy.

The government belongs in health care like i belong in a spelling bee,
 
lewis, when crap hits the fan and the govt must cut back the poor always get hit.

just look to mass and you will see that.
 
Now what about the poor, what is best for the poor ?

there's an article on dentists donate their time and skills to the poor.why not encourage that?

does a doc need to make 500k a year? we cant make him donate or if we take or reduce his pay he will go elsewhere to make that money.

like one of my doctors did.she no longer takes insurance, cash only.
 
Government is not part of health care.

I disagree. Basic health care is a human right, not a luxury, and it is governments' job to guarantee it's citizens this and other human rights. It can do so using various methods, such as government owned and operated hospitals, goverment provided insurance or a number of other means. Whatever method is chosen, nobody should have to die because their insurance company doesn't pre-approve an apendectomy or have to watch their children die because their insurance company owns a hospital and won't pay for treatment anywhere else, and they just happened to be in a different area when an accident happened. However they do it, the government should guarantee everybody access to basic, necessary health care.
 
I disagree. Basic health care is a human right, not a luxury, and it is governments' job to guarantee it's citizens this and other human rights. It can do so using various methods, such as government owned and operated hospitals, goverment provided insurance or a number of other means. Whatever method is chosen, nobody should have to die because their insurance company doesn't pre-approve an apendectomy or have to watch their children die because their insurance company owns a hospital and won't pay for treatment anywhere else, and they just happened to be in a different area when an accident happened. However they do it, the government should guarantee everybody access to basic, necessary health care.

i disagree, the govt rations all the time.

i have been subjected to that.

denied access to meds cause i make TOO MUCH.

dad denied disability pay and had to sue the govt to get what should have promised to him.

medicare pays the hospitals ten days for a flu without any respect to the fact the patient may take longer to recover.
 
Basic health care is a human responsibility.

Does some one other then ones self owe the time and money to the huge fat guy for the bypass surgery?

I want only to eat candy so you can pay for my dentist.

Good ol southern fried everything ... opps you pay for my heart attack.

My child sneezed you pay the bill.

Sex change? Big difference between repair of a cancered breast and big boobies.

What the government says i have to live with a small chest and my self esteem is so low now i need therapy... you pay the bill....

So now we can have government panel tell us which procedure is OK.

NOPE just get the government out of insurance/health care all together... I would buy insurance from a company that did not , by law, have to make insurance available for drug abusers.
 
insurance/health care all together... I would buy insurance from a company that did not , by law, have to make insurance available for drug abusers.

So, if two babies have the same disease, one should get treatment and the other should die, because the parents happen to be poor?
 
About 1960, before Medicare, a brother of mine fell off a stud fence. He cracked his head from ear to ear. We were poor no money no insurance. Whacks on the head kids get growing up so Mom watched him close... After a time she felt the soft area. She panicked Her and Dad prayed she called the doctor, the one who got paid with milk, fresh veggies, and eggs. He said take him over to the county hospital. We almost lost him mom sat and sang kids church songs to him for hours and hours. In come the specialist took a look said tapping his spine was the only chance he had well he is fine today.

The point is there is better ways then a big government system.

The brother who is a doctor doesn't always charge folks. If he sees them away for the hospital or clinic he can say no charge.

Another true story.... Brother gets a call he had to go into the ER about 3 in the morning. Here is mom dad and toddler. the toddler had 3 mosquito bites on his back you could tell they had been there well before 3 in the AM But they don’t pay the bill.


The American people are very generious. How much money in the form of taxes goes to St judes hospital?
 
My thing is what about the poor only. Many people just don't have it. do you all know how many people die in America each year because they do not have it, from babies to adults. These poor people who can't afford any health insurance. I don't have the answer on how to fix this, and i don't know if Obama's health thing will do it. We can't expect many doctors to give you free treatment in the U.S. anymore. People are dying. But you know they pitched a fit when Social Security was being implemented also. And now if you take it away they will pitch a fit, so what are we to do. And our health care cost are just to high. The below link is a chart on cost you can run your mouse pointer over the top right and click on it for your respective country.

Healthcare Costs Around the World - VisualEconomics.com
 
Health care is not a right, it's a privilege. If you say "health care is a right", then you're giving up your responsibility and right as a human to take care of yourself and forcing others to give up their rights and responsibilities to accommodate your political slavery.

Is government run health care going to raise your taxes? FACT:Yes.
Is grhc going to create more jobs? FACT:No.
Is grhc going to make you more healthy? FACT:No.
Is grhc going to create more health care rationing? FACT:Yes.
Is grhc going to create doctor and nurse shortages? FACT:Yes.
Is grhc going to be the same "Top Notch" health care that congress gets? FACT:No.
Is grhc going to save more lives? FACT:No.
Is grhc going to cost more than what you're paying the insurance companies now? FACT:Yes.
Is grhc going to increase the national debt? FACT:Yes.
Is grhc going to take away your freedom to choose? FACT:Yes.
Is grhc going to make you pay whether you want it or not? FACT:Yes.

This is what's going to happen under a government run health care system. Doesn't seem fair or God-like to me.
 
Bet more poor folks get treated here then in other places.

One way to cut government health care costs to incourage the really ill folks to accept the end and die. I was just reading something about this some place...

Jason is right the government will ration. Think real hard at who is and always has been expendable to the government.

Some place i heard/read a million years ago the Chinise paid the doctor only while healthy...
 
Like I said I don't have the answers, but we are the richest country in the history of the planet, but we have the highest infant mortality rate. And asking some people to except their fate and die, will just not sit well with many people. Because some people can live if they have the proper medical treatment, and some won't live no matter how much treatment they get.
 
i think alot has to do with diet. we eat like crap.

type 2 diabetes can be totally eliminated by diet and exercise in most cases.
 
About 1960, before Medicare, a brother of mine fell off a stud fence. He cracked his head from ear to ear. We were poor no money no insurance. Whacks on the head kids get growing up so Mom watched him close... After a time she felt the soft area. She panicked Her and Dad prayed she called the doctor, the one who got paid with milk, fresh veggies, and eggs. He said take him over to the county hospital. We almost lost him mom sat and sang kids church songs to him for hours and hours. In come the specialist took a look said tapping his spine was the only chance he had well he is fine today.

The point is there is better ways then a big government system.

The brother who is a doctor doesn't always charge folks. If he sees them away for the hospital or clinic he can say no charge.

Another true story.... Brother gets a call he had to go into the ER about 3 in the morning. Here is mom dad and toddler. the toddler had 3 mosquito bites on his back you could tell they had been there well before 3 in the AM But they don’t pay the bill.


The American people are very generious. How much money in the form of taxes goes to St judes hospital?

Another true story:

A two year old girl had a high fever and started having a siezure. Her mother rushed her to a nearby hospital. When she arrived, she was asked whether she had insurance and with what insurance company. (None of that rushing and hooking the girl up to tens of millions of dollars worth of equipment to find out what's wrong and starting treatment right away, like you see on doctor shows on TV.) The mother told the receptionist that she had insurance with a particular insurance company. The receptionist called the company to confirm and to get pre approval for the necessary treatment. As it turned out, the insurance company owned it's own hospital, and they said she would have to bring the girl there to be treated (something they had neglected to mention when they sold the parents the policy). The insurance company's hospital was clear across town, and the mother was afraid that her daughter was dieing. She begged the receptionist to let her see a doctor and promised that she would get the money somehow, but she ended up being escorted out of the hospital by two security guards. Since her insurance wouldn't pre approve an ambulance, she had to drive her baby (who was still having a siezure) across town to the other hospital. When she got there, she had to answer the same questions about her insurance company. After they had confirmed that she did have a policy with them and had gotten pre approval, she finally got to see a doctor, just in time for the doctor to watch her baby girl die.

This woman had insurance and her baby died anyway. It's obvious that expecting doctors to treat people - even babies - just out of the kindness of their hearts is unrealistic. So, if the government isn't supposed to intervene to prevent cases like this, how do you propose to do it? Oh... that's right...

One way to cut government health care costs to incourage the really ill folks to accept the end and die.

Just let all the poor people die (as well as those who bought insurance from the wrong company), and there will be more for the rest of us.
 
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