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A pill for every ill?

Christ_empowered said:
Thank for the links, StoveBolts!
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I hope you and others get as much out of them as my brother :thumb Like I said, I feel like I've got my brother back! He regiments his day with routines and forces himself to get out of bed every day at the same time and he exercises every day along with his diet. The site has been a huge blessing for me because it's helped him so much!
 
ok if transfatty acids is bad, what is next? oh the prohibition worked reall well didn't it? but we will instead ban fat because how many others then the eater dies from it? 0!!!!
 
Jason,
It is bad... and nobody will ever miss it... except maybe the pharmicitical companies that are providing the cholesterol meds because of the trans fat being added to our food as a cheap filler or preservative.
 
StoveBolts said:
Jason,
It is bad... and nobody will ever miss it... except maybe the pharmicitical companies that are providing the cholesterol meds because of the trans fat being added to our food as a cheap filler or preservative.
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uhm theres is also natural foods that produce cholesterol. my family from grandpa to my mom on her side all have high blood pressure. my mother is 30 lbs under weight and is anemic and has HIGH blood pressure. my mother in law has high bp and has had three heart attacks and is also underweight. she is also KOSHER. I eat junk. my bp is always low and cholesterol is never above 150. that may change but so far that is what it has been and I ate mcds a lot when the army tested me a lot for this stuff.

my wife has high cholesterol and she doesn't eat much junk food. she eats less meat then I do and more veggies.
 
I think banning trans fats could save lives and money. As StoveBolts pointed out, we'll save money, but the drug companies won't.

As for meds...I look forward to the day when I'm off mine. Right now, I'm on them because I have significant agitation issues. Also, God's working in my life. 6-8 years ago, I had a "normal/dull normal" IQ. Now, IQ is extremely limited in what it actually tells you about a person and his mental capacity. In my case, though, I was brain damaged (involuntary ECT, plus drugs) and dull as could be, so the "dull normal" thing was pretty much spot on. God saw fit to heal me, and now my IQ is apparently considerably higher. More importantly, I'm more in touch with my emotions (funny thing about ECT...it dulls the emotions BIG TIME), my critical thinking skills are way up, and my level of...I dunno..."human-ness" is way up (livelier, more intelligent, all that). This is great, but it takes some getting used to, and if you have pre-existing issues with agitation, it can be tough. The meds help with the transition. I'm doing Orthomolecular (massive vitamin, antioxidant, amino acid combos) with the meds so I don't get turned back into a vegetable, lol.

Anyway, Edward...I was thinking about what you wrote, about how drug use seems to mysteriously move in trends. Have you read "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" ? Not the most Christian book ever written, I know, but the author makes a similar point. In the 60s, speed was big. They had all kinds of Rx speed back then (even widely prescribed, Rx Meth as Desoxyn). People would mix it with downers, pain killers, heroin, whatever. By the time Fear and Loathing was written, things had changed. I think it was the early 70s. People were on Seconal, heroin, Quaaludes, etc.; they weren't amphetamined-up or goof balling anymore. I wonder...what gives?

I think it might indicate a level of placidity and detachment. Like, in the 70s, people were so burned out (it seems to me, anyway) that the drugs were used to escape and chill out. Now, we've got an entire nation on "atypical" antipsychotics (read: over-priced tranquilizers), antidepressants, benzodiazepines, pain killers, and depressant street drugs, plus binge drinking is increasingly common. People just don't care, and they don't want to care, either.
 
uhm transfatty acids have been around for a long time.

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Types of fats in food

Unsaturated fat Monounsaturated fat
Polyunsaturated fat
Trans fat
Omega fatty acids: ω−3
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Saturated fat Interesterified fat



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Trans-isomer fatty acids, or trans fats, are a type of unsaturated fat, which is uncommon in nature but can be easily created artificially. Because their configuration is a double carbon–carbon bond, these trans-isomer (E-isomer) fatty acids are sometimes monounsaturated or polyunsaturated, but never saturated. Trans fats occur during the processing of polyunsaturated fatty acids in food production. In the vegetable and animal kingdoms, fatty acids generally have cis (as opposed to trans) unsaturations.[1] The FDA has issued a preliminary determination that trans fats are not "generally recognized as safe", which is expected to lead to a ban on trans fats from the American diet.

In humans, consumption of trans fats increases the risk of coronary heart disease[2][3] by raising levels of the lipoprotein LDL (so-called "bad cholesterol") and lowering levels of the lipoprotein HDL ("good cholesterol").[4] There is an ongoing debate about a possible differentiation between trans fats of natural origin and trans fats of man-made origin, but so far no scientific consensus has been found. Two Canadian studies, which received funding by the Alberta Livestock and Meat Agency[5] and the Dairy Farmers of Canada,[6] have shown that the natural trans fat vaccenic acid, found in beef and dairy products, may have an opposite health effect and could actually be beneficial compared to hydrogenated vegetable shortening, or a mixture of pork lard and soy fat,[6] by lowering total and LDL and triglyceride levels.[7][8][9] In contrast, a high quality study by the US Department of Agriculture in 105 volunteers showed that vaccenic acid has the same detrimental effects on LDL and HDL as industrial trans fats. The study was funded by dairy industries and has not been published, but the results are available on the web.[10] In lack of recognized evidence and scientific agreement, nutritional authorities consider all trans fats as equally harmful for health[11][12][13] and recommend that consumption of trans fats be reduced to trace amounts.[14][15]
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from Wikipedia. this has been around since the idea of fried foods and how many were obese then? its not the fat its AMOUNT of fat. so how will getting substitute cooking oils save me money?
 
so it will be missed, I have tasted real butter, margarine and so forth. I like real butter. who does the government think they are to tell me how much fat I should take in? eggs have cholesterol and were thought to be bad for you and yet that went how far? it will not stop with fatty acids of this nature. it will go unto sugar, and salt(been done) and other things.
 
that is old, ny banned that a few years ago. Im not saying eating bad is good just that if the government gets to the position to dicate to us what is good or bad in food or other things that don't affect others it will go to far. yes people do overeat and don't exercise but it make no sense to just stop with that type of fat and not also mandate a work out regimen a daily diet. I don't like a nanny state.
 
im not going to support the legalasation of certain drugs and other sin issues as these do affect others. but that is off topic.
 
its not the sugar that is bad, its the usage or over usage . do we then ban sex? how many people cant seem to control that organ? sex itself is pure if its in matrimony and how many abuse that? beer and obesity are linked.yet none would dare suggest a ban on that!
The extra calories consumed by drinking alcohol may lead to weight gain and eventually, obesity. According to BBC News, many people are unaware of just how many calories alcoholic beverages actually contain. The Department of Health recently completed research showing that a regular beer drinker who drank on average four pints of beer each week consumed just as many extra calories in one year as if he had eaten 221 extra doughnuts that year. Over time, the extra caloric intake from beers, wines and hard liquors can lead to obesity.
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http://www.livestrong.com/article/69121-alcohol-obesity/
 
Medicine can have both good and bad effects. It can help some and yet harm others. Hospitals used medicine as much as Pharmacy refills the prescriptions. Without medicine Hospital and Pharmacies won’t make much anything at all. When we use medicine we then are keeping a company in business. Partly then all this prescribing provides pay checks for doctors and those in medicine.

On the other hand Medicine can also be helpful. Several years ago my heart wanted to stop beating. I was having this problem around the clock. My body had shut down for seconds. I was then prescribed Paxil. I was also prescribed Ativan. These are controlled medicines. This helped me stay alive. It maintained my heart around the clock. I don’t need these medicines now. It was found that a main vain and nerves were being partially blocked for blood to go to the heart correctly. I got that blocking out of the way. So now I don’t need Paxil or Ativan. . However I could have died if I didn’t have it at that time. . My heart really did want to give up. I must admit it was one of the scariest parts of my life. Imagine I’m really going to die now. I’m less than 40 and going to die a young age. Medicine saved my life. But I still encourage others don’t take any unless you really need it. Medicine should only be used to cure a real problem. Not just because a doctor may think you would be better off that way. As one poster said sometimes changing your diet can help us eliminate those we don’t need.
 
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