a question about Jesus???

[follower of Christ]

Well my friends i know whatever i say and whatever proof i give from your own bible you will always reject it. Quran chapter 2 verse 18 .......

Friend, if youre quoting the Quran on a Christian website, expect for us to reject your 'proof'.
Id say thats a given.

 

[follower of Christ]

you don't wanna accept these verses because that is the way you have been living since you've been born ... following the parents and the traditions...what if your parents are wrong..

Now apply that to your own life.
Can you PROVE what you believe to be true, friend ?
Werent you simply indoctrinated by someone into whatever religion you are part of ?
What if you were duped ?

All Ive seen from you is the same sort of error that others who reject who Christ is...dismissal of any scriptural fact that you dont like.

Worship is for GOD alone...and scripture show that JESUS is to be worshipped !

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
(Hebrews 1:1-6 KJV)

It doesnt get any plainer than that.
Either you CAN accept the truth or you CANNOT. So which is it ?
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[follower of Christ]

John shows us exactly who Jesus is.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through Him, and without Him nothing came to be which has come to be. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not apprehend it.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. This man came for a testimony, so that he might testify concerning the Light, so that all through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent so that he might testify concerning the Light. That was the true Light which lightens every man coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world came to be through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, He gave them the authority to become children of God, to those who believe in His name; who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified concerning Him and has cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me, has come to be before me, because He was before me.' " And out of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came to be through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, He who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
(John 1:1-18 EMTV)

 

[rrtr]

ok i gave some of the proofs i have and i still have hundreds but i know you will reject them all... but i am asking for one proof from you to bring me something where Jesus said i am GOD or Worship me that is all... i wanna know what my master Jesus peace be upon him said... not according to according to...
here is a verse that he explicitely said that he is not GOD
John 17:3 (New International Version)
"3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." so he clearly said the only true GOD it means one and Jesus Christ whom you have sent... these verses they dont need explanation they are clear... so i think this is the end of this conversations i just wanna say i'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings... we are just having a debate that has been going for 1000 year...i hope nobody hates me because i respect your believes and hopefully you respect mine too... thank you very much guys and peace be upon you...

 

[handy]

ok i gave some of the proofs i have and i still have hundreds but i know you will reject them all... but i am asking for one proof from you to bring me something where Jesus said i am GOD or Worship me that is all... i wanna know what my master Jesus peace be upon him said... not according to according to...
here is a verse that he explicitely said that he is not GOD
John 17:3 (New International Version)
"3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." so he clearly said the only true GOD it means one and Jesus Christ whom you have sent... these verses they dont need explanation they are clear... so i think this is the end of this conversations i just wanna say i'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings... we are just having a debate that has been going for 1000 year...i hope nobody hates me because i respect your believes and hopefully you respect mine too... thank you very much guys and peace be upon you...

And, again you misunderstand and misrepresent what Jesus is saying here.

I'm glad that you are not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. I do wish you were more interested in discovering the truth about what the Holy Bible actually does say, rather than your misunderstandings about it. My invitation to actually study the Holy Bible with those who are very familiar with it still stands.

 

[seekandlisten]

Sorry, I have to ask a question on this comment. First, I would suggest you check out church history and where it's doctrines came from a little more. Second, how do you justify your stance based on the beliefs of christianity when you exclude the first 1500 years of the church?? Now I'm assuming you are protestant here so forgive me if I'm wrong in that assumption. The Catholic Church is the only church with a recorded history back to St. Peter and a lot of Protestant doctrines were formed by the Catholic Church so if you say they are false where does that leave you standing? Martin Luther started the Reformation in 1517 with nailing his '95 Thesis' to the door of the Catholic Church. It started as merely trying to 'reform' doctrines in the church that were considered inconsistent with Scripture such as the selling of indulgences. Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wycliffe, Johannes Hus, and Ulrich Zwingli were among those promoting this reformation. From here is where the Protestants broke off from the Catholic church and have since split into numerous denominations. So my question I guess would be if you believe the Catholic church to be false how is your church/beliefs any better then the next 'church' that emerges?? It's kind of all or nothing otherwise you are just diregarding parts of your 'religion' that don't agree with you.

Anyways I dont' want to drag this topic off topic or make it into a Catholic debate as that is not my point but I would pose the question of where your 'backing' is for defending church doctrines when you disregard the origins of the doctrine? If the true gospel was stopped in 325 what gospel are we following now?

Thats kind of ridiculous, S.
NO protestant I know of would say that every single aspect of Catholic Doctrine is false.
MOST of catholic doctrine is probably dead on.
The Reformers werent looking for a new religion, gent...men like Luther wanted his precious church to be reformed, not have to abandon her.
When these men understood the TRUTH,they wanted the CC to come to that truth as a whole. She refused and they were ostracized and murdered in many cases.

So we dont have to make any claims that the catholic church had it all wrong, either then or now.
We can reject the error that she pushes and embrace the truth she embraces.

Its NOT all or nothing and we DO disagree with the parts that ARENT scriptural.
That goes for every denomination out there as well.
We accept what is truth and reject what isnt.


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If you see from the highlighted part I never said that the reformers wanted to form a new religion so I'm not sure what the point of your post is? I asked the earlier poster how they could logically assert their comment with nothing to back it up if they regard the catholic church as false and and the true gospel stopped with the formation of the catholic church. It's a pretty bold statement to make if you are going to try and back it up simply from a protestant perspective don't you think seeing as you can only trace it back to the 15th century.

 

[follower of Christ]

I underlined what I was responding directly to, S

 

[handy]

This thread is going south fast. If we don't want it locked, I suggest we get back on topic! :yes

 

[seekandlisten]

ok i gave some of the proofs i have and i still have hundreds but i know you will reject them all... but i am asking for one proof from you to bring me something where Jesus said i am GOD or Worship me that is all... i wanna know what my master Jesus peace be upon him said... not according to according to...
here is a verse that he explicitely said that he is not GOD
John 17:3 (New International Version)
"3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." so he clearly said the only true GOD it means one and Jesus Christ whom you have sent... these verses they dont need explanation they are clear... so i think this is the end of this conversations i just wanna say i'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings... we are just having a debate that has been going for 1000 year...i hope nobody hates me because i respect your believes and hopefully you respect mine too... thank you very much guys and peace be upon you...

And, again you misunderstand and misrepresent what Jesus is saying here.

I'm glad that you are not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. I do wish you were more interested in discovering the truth about what the Holy Bible actually does say, rather than your misunderstandings about it. My invitation to actually study the Holy Bible with those who are very familiar with it still stands.

A question for you handy. I don't have much time right now so I will try and get back to this later. In dealing with those who believe different then us I think of this passage.

Micah 4

1 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.

4 Every man will sit under his own vine
and under his own fig tree,
and no one will make them afraid,
for the LORD Almighty has spoken.
5 All the nations may walk
in the name of their gods;
we will walk in the name of the LORD
our God for ever and ever.

What does this mean to you if you don't mind me asking? Also, what about these?

1 John 3

11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
16This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 19This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Or

1 John 4

1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Or

1 John 2

20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[d] 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Sorry I don't have much time to organize this but I will be back to see your thoughts on these. Thanks

 

[follower of Christ]

Seek, I dont see a single thing there in your post that sheds one single doubt on the fact that Jesus IS God the Son...

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[seekandlisten]

Seek, I dont see a single thing there in your post that sheds one single doubt on the fact that Jesus IS God the Son...

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That wasn't the point of my post so you are correct in your observations. I'm quite sure those who read the bible are aware of all the passages that regard Jesus as lower than God. You've obviously managed to fit these into your thinking somehow otherwise you'd be diregarding parts of the bible. I'm fine with that.

Handy put for the invitation for discussion on the bible, I asked a question.

Micah 4 is in reference to other beliefs/religions, I wanted thoughts on this.

1 John 3 - "For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything." would have been the point of interest.

1 John 4:2 - Kind of presents a dilemma in the Jesus is God as it says he is from God and we must acknowledge that. I wanted to know thoughts on what it means from those that believe Jesus is God.

1 John 2 - I wanted to know if others realize that Jesus IS the Christ and that Jesus Christ is not simply his name.

As far as the Jesus is God and discussion of the trinity, I don't care to debate these points because it doesn't matter. We just have to be careful how far we take our belief in judging others fate or religion. God will forgive whether we call Jesus a man or God but if we start judging and stating others beliefs false if they don't believe what we believe I don't know. Personally for me that is borderline passing judgement on the work of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 12:10 (New International Version)
10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.


Mark 3:28 (New International Version)
28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them.


Matthew 12:32 (New International Version)
32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Gospel of Thomas
44) Jesus said: He who blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and he who blasphemes against the Son will be forgiven; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven.

 

[JoJo]

The Trinity is a simple concept. Little tiny kids get it. Adults complicate it.

 

[rrtr]

I appreciate the offer to study the Holy Bible and it's meanings. However, I have already studied the Bible and know what it means. However, with all the verses I have provided to you along with all the proof I have to back up what I am saying. You all have offered no proof, you have offered no context to dispute what I am saying.

"When it comes to God he is explicit to himself, because it's an issue of salvation, we all want paradise. This is the ultimate goal. However, Jesus has never told anyone that 'I am God, worship me.'

If Jesus is or was God then he would have made this clear, he would have told everyone. . . "WORSHIP ME, I AM YOUR GOD." He never said this.

Catholics worship Mary.
Christians worship Jesus.
Buddhist worship Buddha.
and so on and so forth.

Edited for violation of TOS #3

Thank you very much and once again peace be upon you all

 

[seekandlisten]

I appreciate the offer to study the Holy Bible and it's meanings. However, I have already studied the Bible and know what it means. However, with all the verses I have provided to you along with all the proof I have to back up what I am saying. You all have offered no proof, you have offered no context to dispute what I am saying.

"When it comes to God he is explicit to himself, because it's an issue of salvation, we all want paradise. This is the ultimate goal. However, Jesus has never told anyone that 'I am God, worship me.'

If Jesus is or was God then he would have made this clear, he would have told everyone. . . "WORSHIP ME, I AM YOUR GOD." He never said this.

Catholics worship Mary.
Christians worship Jesus.
Buddhist worship Buddha.
and so on and so forth.

Thank you very much and once again peace be upon you all

Thanks for giving me some insight into your religion. May God bless you as well on your path, and in the end we will all be revealed the Truth.

As to the part I highlighted, here's a different perspective if you look into each religion and weed out the good from the bad.

Catholics worship God - it's followers screw it up
Christians worship God - it's follwers screw it up
Buddha worshipped God - his followers screwed it up
Muslims worship God - I'm sure there are those in your religion who do not follow Allah perfectly either right?
and so on so forth

No one is perfect and that doesn't exclude religons. Only God is perfect.

 

[Free]

I appreciate the offer to study the Holy Bible and it's meanings. However, I have already studied the Bible and know what it means. However, with all the verses I have provided to you along with all the proof I have to back up what I am saying. You all have offered no proof, you have offered no context to dispute what I am saying.

No, it is clear you have studied the Bible from the viewpoint of Islam and Muslim apologists, and therefore do not understand all it says about God. You have offered no proof and taken things out of context. You have posted no verses which disagree with the doctrine of the Trinity which shows you do not understand what it states.

 

[Drew]

If Jesus is or was God then he would have made this clear, he would have told everyone. . .

You make an assumption that is exceedingly shaky - that the way that Jesus would tell us this would align with your expectations. The Jews were a culture steeped in a particular story - the story of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This was a God whose presence was seen in the temple. But there had been a bump in the road - God's presence left the temple and the Jews went into exile. And though they were phyically back in Palestine at the time Jesus came along, they were under the heel of Rome, and therefore considered themselves to be very much still in exile.

But the story was more complex - following the prophets, the Jews of Jesus time expected that God would return to them and rescue them from exile.

And this is precisely where Jesus fits in. For reasons I will not get into in this post, Jesus says and does things that make it clear that He sees Himself fulfilling that expectation - Jesus actions embodied the return of God to His people.

And that would send them the clear message that Jesus is claiming co-divinity with the father. Once you know the story, Jesus's words and actions make it clear that He saw Himself as fulfilling the role in the story reserved for God alone.

And that, of course, was His way of claiming to be divine.

Besides, there are places, such as his appearance before Caiaphus, that Jesus makes more direct claims to divinity. Again, I will not get into that in the present post.

 

[handy]

A question for you handy. I don't have much time right now so I will try and get back to this later. In dealing with those who believe different then us I think of this passage.

Micah 4

1 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.

4 Every man will sit under his own vine
and under his own fig tree,
and no one will make them afraid,
for the LORD Almighty has spoken.
5 All the nations may walk
in the name of their gods;
we will walk in the name of the LORD
our God for ever and ever.

What does this mean to you if you don't mind me asking? Also, what about these?

1 John 3

11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
16This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 19This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Or

1 John 4

1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Or

1 John 2

20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[d] 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Sorry I don't have much time to organize this but I will be back to see your thoughts on these. Thanks

I read through this and get back to you on it, Ryan. I'm to the point in my week where I'm pretty busy, but hopefully will have thought this through by the weekend.

Keep in mind that the Scriptures are quite clear that Jesus, before being born of Mary, willingly humbled Himself and emptied Himself to come to earth and die on the cross. He was in heaven prior to His birth, and He returned to heaven after His death and resurrection. Just because He was, for a brief time and willingly, humbled, does not change His divinity.

Gotta go.

 

[Free]

If Jesus is or was God then he would have made this clear, he would have told everyone. . .

You make an assumption that is exceedingly shaky - that the way that Jesus would tell us this would align with your expectations. The Jews were a culture steeped in a particular story - the story of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This was a God whose presence was seen in the temple. But there had been a bump in the road - God's presence left the temple and the Jews went into exile. And though they were phyically back in Palestine at the time Jesus came along, they were under the heel of Rome, and therefore considered themselves to be very much still in exile.

But the story was more complex - following the prophets, the Jews of Jesus time expected that God would return to them and rescue them from exile.

And this is precisely where Jesus fits in. For reasons I will not get into in this post, Jesus says and does things that make it clear that He sees Himself fulfilling that expectation - Jesus actions embodied the return of God to His people.

And that would send them the clear message that Jesus is claiming co-divinity with the father. Once you know the story, Jesus's words and actions make it clear that He saw Himself as fulfilling the role in the story reserved for God alone.

And that, of course, was His way of claiming to be divine.

Besides, there are places, such as his appearance before Caiaphus, that Jesus makes more direct claims to divinity. Again, I will not get into that in the present post.

I would really like to see you develop this more fully. I know you've tried in the past but it would certainly make an interesting topic.

 

[handy]

A question for you handy. I don't have much time right now so I will try and get back to this later. In dealing with those who believe different then us I think of this passage.

Micah 4

1 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.

4 Every man will sit under his own vine
and under his own fig tree,
and no one will make them afraid,
for the LORD Almighty has spoken.
5 All the nations may walk
in the name of their gods;
we will walk in the name of the LORD
our God for ever and ever.

What does this mean to you if you don't mind me asking? Also, what about these?

1 John 3

11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
16This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 19This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Or

1 John 4

1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Or

1 John 2

20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[d] 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Sorry I don't have much time to organize this but I will be back to see your thoughts on these. Thanks

I read through this and will get back to you on it, Ryan. I'm to the point in my week where I'm pretty busy, but hopefully will have thought this through by the weekend.

Keep in mind that the Scriptures are quite clear that Jesus, before being born of Mary, willingly humbled Himself and emptied Himself to come to earth and die on the cross. He was in heaven prior to His birth, and He returned to heaven after His death and resurrection. Just because He was, for a brief time and willingly, humbled, does not change His divinity.

Gotta go.

 

[glorydaz]

if Jesus was GOD, how come he worshiped GOD???

Jesus didn't worship God...He was God.
Jesus was God come in the flesh.
He became a man and lived among us.
While in human form, He was a man, just as we are. He submitted to God as we should.

He was the express image of God...we could see Jesus and what He did and have a better understanding of God, Himself. We could see the love of God for mankind when Jesus healed the lame and the blind, and taught us how we should love one another. He came so we would desire to know God and have a relationship with Him. He was God come in the flesh.

When He died on the cross, he reconciled man with God. Man could now have access to God through the work on the cross. He set the captives free...tore apart the curtain that separated sinful man from the righteous God. He provided a way for us to reach Him. When He rose from the dead and took the throne, He became our King. Those who worship Him can enter into eternal life. We'll be given glorified bodies when Jesus returns to judge the world of it's sin. Then we will live forever with Him in eternity...face to face.

When John sees Jesus in Rev. 1, Jesus says this...

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Jesus Christ tells us He is the Almighty. While still on earth, He told us He is the I AM. If you knew the Bible you would know that I AM is the very same God Abraham met back in Genesis.