A question for Gary - Salvation in Islam?

[Soma-Sight]

How exactly do you see this?

I have read about this but find contradictory info on the web....

I have not really studied Islam because I never saw any merit in it but am interested in this facet.

Thx.

 

[lecoop]

Salvation in Islam?

I guess it depends on definitions. I know of several cases where Jesus has appeared to a Moslem, and told them to follow Him! They were in Islam, and they were saved!

However, I do not think this is what you were meaning. Can there be salvation in any other name but Jesus? Absolutely not! There is no born again experience in Allah.

Coop

 

[Soma-Sight]

However, I do not think this is what you were meaning. Can there be salvation in any other name but Jesus? Absolutely not! There is no born again experience in Allah.

I understand that point....

I am just curious what the actual bona fide fundamentalist Muslims view of Salvation is.... not the Christians.

 

[lecoop]

Supernatural encounter.

I spent one semester at the U of Idaho with a Moslem. It seems that a computer class with 30 computers in the room, somehow had 31 students assigned. "Mohammed" was the last man in the room. The teacher was trying to explain that there were not enough computers and he would have to reschedule. I said he could share my computer. The professor said it would have to be for the whole semester, and I agreed, so "Mohammed" came and sat down by me.

It soon because our custom, after class, to retire to the library, and get out a bible and a Koran. (each had a concordance.) We would look up things like the divinity of Jesus, and we both could clearly see that one book was lying, for they had widely differing points of view. Our bible says that Jesus is the son of God. The Koran says that it is very dangerous to say that God had a son, for God does not begat sons.

Toward the end of the semester, we got to spending hours in the library. One Saturday, as I was praying for Mohammed, God spoke supernaturally to me, and told me that I must cast the Moslem spirit out of Mohammed before he would be free to accept Jesus. So I started doing deliverance. I knew that there was no distance in the spiritual realm, so I just kept commanding that spirit to leave. Another supernatural event: God somehow allowed that spirit to manifest in my flesh! It was as if I was right there with Mohammed. I battled that religious spirit for four hours, and felt it leave, so I knew it was gone.

Monday, Mohammed came running up to me all excited, and said, "Lyle, I have to tell you something! Saturday, I began thinking, I was not being a good Moslem, so why should I be one at all. I gave up my Moslem faith!"

Our class was then over, and I did not get to see him often, but every time I saw him, he was with someone that I knew was a Christian.

Coop

 

[Heidi]

Re: Salvation in Islam?

I guess it depends on definitions. I know of several cases where Jesus has appeared to a Moslem, and told them to follow Him! They were in Islam, and they were saved!

However, I do not think this is what you were meaning. Can there be salvation in any other name but Jesus? Absolutely not! There is no born again experience in Allah.

Coop

Anyone can be saved in any race, culture, or religion. All people who are saved once were unbelievers of Christ regardless of what form it took.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Easiest way? Get killed (martyred) for the god called Allah. i.e while fighting unbelievers, like Americans (even if they are civilians). Or declare all Jews as enemies (including women and children) and then blow yourself up with as many of the "unbelievers" as possible.

As you know being a "New Age Fundy" even I would put this religon at the very bottom of my list as far as merit..... lol

That is a pretty awesome emoticon with the heads I must say! :bday:

 

[Gary]

Somo-Sight, seems like 3-4 of my posts in this section of the forum were deleted.

I will reconstruct my response a bit later. OK?

Kind regards
Gary

 

[Gary]

Author: Gary
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: Re: A question for Gary - Salvation in Islam?

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A question for Gary: Salvation in Islam?
How exactly do you see this?
I have read about this but find contradictory info on the web....
I have not really studied Islam because I never saw any merit in it but am interested in this facet.
Thx.

Short answer: No guaranteed salvation in Islam. Hence, like many misguided "Christians", they try and work their way to paradise!

Easiest way? Get killed (martyred) for the god called Allah. i.e while fighting unbelievers, like Americans (even if they are civilians). Or declare all Jews as enemies (including women and children) and then blow yourself up with as many of the "unbelievers" as possible.

Total surrender = martyrdom in a holy war = Islamic heaven.

Source for the above equation: -here-

:o :o :smt027 :o :o

 

[duncdawg]

Easiest way? Get killed (martyred) for the god called Allah. i.e while fighting unbelievers, like Americans (even if they are civilians). Or declare all Jews as enemies (including women and children) and then blow yourself up with as many of the "unbelievers" as possible.

Sounds like a "work" to me.

Weird. (Contradiction?):o

Now, we see the contradiction of Islam. Islam, by proof of Gary, holds no validity anymore, and there exists no more point to this thread.

Truth is absolute, and exclusive. Sorry! :wink:

There is hope, though. Dont believe something because you were told it was true. Be a truth seeker.

It sucks that Muslims are banished for even doubting, but most mind control faiths do that.

Be a truth seeker, and I promise, you'll see the truth. Not American, watered down Christianity, where I am sure you get most of your assumptions from, Gary, but true, FULL GOSPEL, selfless Christianity.

I apologize if any of my Christian brothers and sisters gave you the wrong idea of Christianity. I will pray for them as well.

 

[Gary]

...Be a truth seeker, and I promise, you'll see the truth. Not American, watered down Christianity, where I am sure you get most of your assumptions from, Gary, but true, FULL GOSPEL, selfless Christianity.

Firstly, I am a Christian. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour (note the spelling!)

Secondly, I am not American. :D

(By the way, IF you disagree with what I wrote about Islam, why don't you tell us what YOU know about Islam. I suggest you quote the Quran or the Hadith. OK?)

 

[duncdawg]

Mah bags, Gary.

I mis-understood your posts.

My apologies. :

 

[Gary]

Mah bags, Gary.

I mis-understood your posts.

My apologies. :

No problem duncdawg!! Apology graciously accepted and my apologies for the sharp response. :D

Love in Christ
Gary

 

[duncdawg]

I tend to read too fast, and when I do that I miss important facts!

:-D

Anyways, I have read through parts of the Quaran, and it was crazy! Talk about a mind-control religion!

I guess I dont really understand why Muslims say they are a religion of peace, when their holy book clearly states to slay the infadels, and kill all who aren't for allah.

If they say only the extremists believe that, I would ask.. "why?"

"Why is your religious book not completely vald, only partially valid?"

I would like those questions answered.

 

[Solo]

I would like to know what the Muslim men are going to do when their heaven is over on the second day, and their hell begins! :D

 

[duncdawg]

I would like to know what the Muslim men are going to do when their heaven is over on the second day, and their hell begins! :D

Burn. :o

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I would like to know what the Muslim men are going to do when their heaven is over on the second day, and their hell begins! :D

Burn. :o

.............under the hand of love. :roll:

 

[duncdawg]

.............under the hand of love. :roll:

I would respect that statement execpt for the fact that you have failed to show any kind of love whatsoever in this entire forum.

You Mormons claim to follow the ways of Jesus the prophet, but do not come through. You do not love, instead, every response you have is ridiculing, sarcastic, and angry, and it always seems like you are trying to start something.

Simple proof that there are no fruits in your walk, no should their be in a mormon life. The Bible tells us, "You will know them by their fruits...", and it is very obvious in this situation.

Anyways, sorry to get off topic, but I have been wanting to say that for awhile.

 

[Soma-Sight]

You Mormons claim to follow the ways of Jesus the prophet, but do not come through. You do not love, instead, every response you have is ridiculing, sarcastic, and angry, and it always seems like you are trying to start something.

The ever famous oversimplification and generalization of one whole cultural group due to the acts of a few......

Many Mormons live a good life and truly love God.....

 

[duncdawg]

Many Mormons live a good life and truly love God.....

Too bad living a good life isn't good enough to be a follower of Christ.

Many people, Christian and non-Christian alike claim to love God, but don't even know the God they claim to love.

It's sad, really.

 

[Joudie]

The ever famous oversimplification and generalization of one whole cultural group due to the acts of a few......

Many Mormons live a good life and truly love God.....

How come, so far, I haven't read a single post that says this about Islam even though it's true? There are God-knows-how-many Muslims in the world. Of these Muslims, there is a small percentage made up of extremist groups--like in any religion. Yet these groups do not represent everyone. I know Muslims who would never in their craziest dreams hurt anyone for anything and love all races and all people. And yet, because they're Muslim, they are going to Hell.

I am a religious person...but sometimes...just sometimes...I wish religion was no more. Which I know is a paradox of sorts. It's just one giant headache when different ones clash. Why can't we all just get along? Why?

EDITED TO ADD: Gary...you're listing how extremists view salvation. This is not the view most sane Muslims who haven't been brainwashed take on. I believe salvation for Islam is based on the five pillars of Islam, and the ten commandments. The five pillars are:

1) Declaring there is no God but God and that Mohammad is his prophet.
2) Praying five times a day.
3) Fasting from sunrise to sunset during the holy month of Ramadan.
4) Making the pilgrimmage (Hajj) to Mecca at least once in your lifetime.
5) Giving a portion of your wealth (about 5% I believe) to the poor.

Well, I'm not going to list the Commandments, I'm sure all of you are familiar with them. Do these in Islam, do good works...and I see no reason in the world why you would not enter Heaven.