Bible Study A study on the Sabbath

[stovebolts]

Hummmmm.......very interesting. Your swimming in the deep end again :waving

Lol. I had never considered that. Explain what you mean please.

I was just trying to figure out the connection you were trying to establish. Maybe I should just stop here

Anyway, when we look at circumcision of the flesh as it was given to Abraham and one of it's purposes was to physically mark out the people of YHVH. Honesty, when a hebrew woman was given to a man, circumcision was a physical marking that could be easily verified. This in and of itself would always set Israel apart from the other communities.

So we see that to those who were physically marked by circumcision where those to whom the promise to Abraham was spoken about. That much should be clear within the context of Sinai.

And simply put, it was to Abraham's decedents that the laws of Moses, including that of the sabbath were given.

That's all I was saying

 

[stovebolts]

Ok, Ok. I see now some things. Lol. I guess it is hard to talk about the "Sabbath" without diving into the NT.

While doing this study, I think this passage would be good to keep in mind.
Romans 14: 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

I guess I wanted to first look at it from a person's point of view that it is to be 'kept' the same way we would not murder someone, or commit adultery, or lie, or steal.

I would venture to say that the first 5 commandments are directed toward God, and the last 5 commandments are directed toward humanity.

When one sins against God, it is God we are to go to for forgiveness. When we sin against our fellow man, it is our fellow man we go to for forgiveness before we offer worship to God. (Matthew 18:15-18 and Matthew 5: 21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[b]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,[c]' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. 23"Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.
This is a classic Jewish teaching from the Torah.

I mean, we all have done that from time to time. But do we do it habitually? The thought behind the Sabbath, is that if it is to be taken 'literally' then week after week we habitually do not keep it. See what I am talking about here? And no, I am not one that tries to 'spiritualize' Sunday as becoming the new Sabbath. Although, the commandment specifically says;

Exd 20:9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,

So it does not classify Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday....See what I mean?

Ok. So if we do not work 6 days, but only 5, does that mean we are not 'keeping' it?

I hope that I am making sense. And if we need to go into the NT to explore this more, I am open.

In Acts 20:7 we see that the church came together to break bread on the first day of the week. That would have been either Saturday Night in the Jewish Calendar or what is better known as Sunday in the Roman calendar. Saturday, as we know it would have been the 7th day of the week.

Anyway, is it possible that we're confusing this working 6 days thing? I mean, God tells the people to pick up manna for 6 days (because they have no bread, and God knows they need to eat), and on the 6th day they can pick up enough for two days so they can honor the sabbath. BTW, if they picked up enough manna for two days and it wasn't the sabbath, it spoiled with worms and other icky stuff..

So if we look at this, isn't God really trying to build the faith of the people who had lived in oppression and in a sense had lost a big part of their humanity?

 

[Nathan]

H8104.

Exodus 31
(13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
(14) Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.


Exodus 16
(28) And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

I see. Thanks. That helps this study out a ton.

 

[Sissy]

and on the 6th day they can pick up enough for two days so they can honor the sabbath.

On the 6th day (just before the END of the week) they were to double up on the manna.

We see from Nehemiah 9:13 that the gates are shut on the Sabbath (the END of the week) so there could be no buying and selling within the city.
You would have to leave the holy city to buy or sell.


Does anyone else see a connection to the 10 virgins of Matthew 25?
The 5 foolish virgins didn't have enough oil, so they would have to buy from those that sell, ..... and the doors were shut.

 

[Nathan]

While doing this study, I think this passage would be good to keep in mind.
Romans 14:

Definitely. So, let me play the opposite side of this. Is Paul talking about "the" Sabbath day? Or, is he talking about feast 'days' and the like?

I am curious, because the argument is that he was talking about general 'holidays' that they would participate in. Which, along with 'food' and 'drink', would be apart of the 'book of the law' and not the 'tablets of testimony'. Make sense?

Regardless, this is a passage that should always be in the forefront of our mind while studying.

I would venture to say that the first 5 commandments are directed toward God, and the last 5 commandments are directed toward humanity.

When one sins against God, it is God we are to go to for forgiveness. When we sin against our fellow man, it is our fellow man we go to for forgiveness before we offer worship to God.

Yea, the 'honoring mother and father' has always been a 'teeter totter' one for me. I can see how it applies to both sides.

But here is the question. If we would not think of building an idol, or taking God's name in vain, or any of the others; then why do we not think about 'keeping' the Sabbath holy by not working? Did the 'way' in which we remember the Sabbath change? I know that Christ magnified the law as such by saying that hatred in one's heart is the same as murder. This is interesting. My mind is now going on a train of thought. But to keep it interesting I would like for others to share some thoughts on this.:yes

Anyway, is it possible that we're confusing this working 6 days thing? I mean, God tells the people to pick up manna for 6 days (because they have no bread, and God knows they need to eat), and on the 6th day they can pick up enough for two days so they can honor the sabbath. BTW, if they picked up enough manna for two days and it wasn't the sabbath, it spoiled with worms and other icky stuff..

So if we look at this, isn't God really trying to build the faith of the people who had lived in oppression and in a sense had lost a big part of their humanity?

I see what your saying. And indeed, that is the first time we have recorded how the Sabbath was 'remembered'. But we also know that in the tablets of the testimony, they do not differentiate between 'picking up manna' or anything else.

I am a firm believer in 'first occurrence'. I think that it is key to understanding the intent for the rest of Scripture for most things. I think that He is trying to build their faith. Doing the same exact thing that Jesus taught in Matthew chapter 6. I think that the Sabbath has more of an in-depth meaning behind it though, not excluding this.



Here is what I find interesting.

Exd 31:13 "You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, 'Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.


"Above all", that is interesting. But again, we see some more insight into why. That we would know that it is God who sanctifies us.

 

[Nathan]

On the 6th day (just before the END of the week) they were to double up on the manna.

We see from Nehemiah 9:13 that the gates are shut on the Sabbath (the END of the week) so there could be no buying and selling within the city.
You would have to leave the holy city to buy or sell.


Does anyone else see a connection to the 10 virgins of Matthew 25?
The 5 foolish virgins didn't have enough oil, so they would have to buy from those that sell, ..... and the doors were shut.

:yes Sissy. I do see. At first when you posted this it made me scratch my head a little. But then I started to understand what you were indicating. Which is why I figured we would have to open the gates to the NT to better understand.

"...and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day"

This is what sparked my thought process. He shut the gates, and guarded it, so that no burden would be brought in. Very, very interesting.


Neh 13:15-18 "In those days I saw in Judah people treading winepresses on the Sabbath, and bringing in heaps of grain and loading them on donkeys, and also wine, grapes, figs, and all kinds of loads, which they brought into Jerusalem on the Sabbath day. And I warned them on the day when they sold food. "Tyrians also, who lived in the city, brought in fish and all kinds of goods and sold them on the Sabbath to the people of Judah, in Jerusalem itself! Then I confronted the nobles of Judah and said to them, "What is this evil thing that you are doing, profaning the Sabbath day? Did not your fathers act in this way, and did not our God bring all this disaster on us and on this city? Now you are bringing more wrath on Israel by profaning the Sabbath."


Ok, but look at the description of how Nehemiah 'deals' with the situation.

Neh 13:22 "Then I commanded the Levites that they should purify themselves and come and guard the gates, to keep the Sabbath day holy..."

He guarded the "gates" in order to keep the Sabbath day holy.

Jhn 10:1-16 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them. So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."

I have heard it said this way before. That when in the 'pasture' the shepherd would indeed take those thorn bushes(Sissy) and then at the opening the shepherd himself would 'lay down' to guard the sheep.

 

[Dusty]

Just to throw my views into the mix and most has already been said .

There is no commandment here for people to observe the Sabbath . In fact , since Adam was created on the 6th day , the Sabbath was actually the first day for him

The Sabbath does not appear again in the OT until ....Ex. 20: 8-11. There is no evidence in scripture that God ever told the Gentiles to observe the Sabbath.
The OT Mosaic law was given only to Israel ( Ps.147:19-20)

While on earth , Christ observed the Sabbath since He lived under the dispensation of law.

In the early years of the church, Christians did meet on the Sabbath in the synagogues , until the Jewish believers were persecuted and driven out

However, the first day of the week ( Sunday , the Lord’s Day ) was their special day for fellowship and worship ( Acts 20 :7, 1Cor. 16:1-3; Rev. 1:10 )

The first day commemorates Christ’s resurrection ( Mt. 28:1;Jn.20:1 )the completion of His work in bringing about the new creation.

These two special days--- the Sabbath and the Lord’s Day – commemorate different things and should not be confused.

The Sabbath Day --- relates to the old creation and was given expressly to Israel- it speaks of law as 6 days of labour followed by rest

The Lord’s Day—relates to the new creation and belongs especially to the church- it speaks of grace , for we begin the week with rest that is followed by works.

 

[Dusty]

Seventh Day

God rested from all His work.

God did not rest because He was weary, since God does not become weary ( Ps. 121 :4 ) Rather , He ceased from His creative works; the task was now finished .
“ God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all work “

 

[Elijah674]

Seventh Day

God rested from all His work.

God did not rest because He was weary, since God does not become weary ( Ps. 121 :4 ) Rather , He ceased from His creative works; the task was now finished .
“ God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all work “

[I am a firm believer in 'first occurrence'. I think that it is key to understanding the intent for the rest of Scripture for most things. I think that He is trying to [build their faith]. Doing the same exact thing that Jesus taught in Matthew chapter 6. I think that the Sabbath has more of an in-depth meaning behind it though, not excluding this.]

Hi, did you notice this above statement? (in my highlites)
If so, of.. 'no first occurence' why did God start out the 4 Commandment with Remember? You seem to think that it was & is the Memorial of Creation, Psalms 135:13 of which God agrees!

But in Gen. 26:5 we see Isaac being told why God had choosen Abe long before the ten were written in the two tables of stone! Notice that in Gen. 12 Abe was even a 'Gentil soul winner'. And if no one knows how that is done, it takes the Eternal Gospel of Rev. 14:6 + Christs Eternal Covenant of Heb. 13:20 (see Matt. 28:20) And Noah was also a preacher of Rightousness!

But Isaac was told of this in LONG PAST/TENSE... 'BECAUSE that Abraham {OBEY MY VOICE] and [KEPT MY CHARGE], [MY COMMANDMENTS,] [MY STATUES], and [MY LAWS].'
And yes surely, GOD SPAKE DIRECTLY TO HIS OWN BEFORE Mount Sinai.

--Elijah

 

[Dusty]

Hi, did you notice this above statement? (in my highlites)
If so, of.. 'no first occurence' why did God start out the 4 Commandment with Remember? You seem to think that it was & is the Memorial of Creation, Psalms 135:13 of which God agrees!

Yes I understand that and i think you are refering to the 8th to 10th commandment if I am not mistaken :

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

And like I siad in my previous post the Old covenant is fulfilled by Christ . These commandments were made for the Israelites and now we have new commandments .

The Old Testament contains many laws and rules, the most famous being the Ten Commandments. But Jesus said that all of those rules boiled down to two things: love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. If our adherence to rules or commandments isn't producing these two things, we've missed the entire point.

What I said about the Sabbath and the Lord's Day are two different statements .As far as I am concerned every day is my sabbath .

 

[Elijah674]

Yes I understand that and i think you are refering to the 8th to 10th commandment if I am not mistaken :

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

And like I siad in my previous post the Old covenant is fulfilled by Christ . These commandments were made for the Israelites and now we have new commandments .

The Old Testament contains many laws and rules, the most famous being the Ten Commandments. But Jesus said that all of those rules boiled down to two things: love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. If our adherence to rules or commandments isn't producing these two things, we've missed the entire point.

What I said about the Sabbath and the Lord's Day are two different statements .As far as I am concerned every day is my sabbath .

It seems that this is the Prophetic purpose of Christs mission...

Isa. 42:21
[19] Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
[20] Seeing many things, but [thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.]

[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; [he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.]

And how did He do that? Hate when in the finished mature state
is murder, and adultery when in the heart is finished! James 1:15 And you say what??
---Elijah

 

[Nathan]

Yes I understand that and i think you are refering to the 8th to 10th commandment if I am not mistaken :

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

And like I siad in my previous post the Old covenant is fulfilled by Christ . These commandments were made for the Israelites and now we have new commandments .

The Old Testament contains many laws and rules, the most famous being the Ten Commandments. But Jesus said that all of those rules boiled down to two things: love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. If our adherence to rules or commandments isn't producing these two things, we've missed the entire point.

What I said about the Sabbath and the Lord's Day are two different statements .As far as I am concerned every day is my sabbath .

I see what your saying. Here is a thought though. We say the old covenant was 'fulfilled' in Christ. But yet, we would not murder someone, or steal, or lie, or commit adultery, or make an idol and worship it, or be disrespectful to our father and mother...without at least knowing it was wrong, if not knowing it was wrong before we even did these things.

We will all sin, we will lie from time to time. We do not make a habit of it though, do we? So, with that in mind, how often do we consider the Sabbath? And should it be considered as such as laid out, or in a different light?

Thats kind of the whole idea of studying it in the OT and then in the NT. We would 'understand' that the other 9 commandments are a no brainer that they are wrong. We do not 'spiritualize' them do we? We do not say, "it is murder to hate someone, so I am just going to shoot them with a gun instead". No, we understand that murder is murder in the physical sense, and it is in the heart sense also. Same for lying, same for stealing, same for all other 9 commandments. But here, we see the Sabbath, and for some reason we drop the literal 7th day rest.

Does this make sense? Do you see my questions here? I am just trying to better understand the literal sense of it. I have a extremely great grasp of the spiritual side of it. But does it still not have a literal side to it as does all other 9 commandments?

 

[Dusty]

I see what your saying. Here is a thought though. We say the old covenant was 'fulfilled' in Christ. But yet, we would not murder someone, or steal, or lie, or commit adultery, or make an idol and worship it, or be disrespectful to our father and mother...without at least knowing it was wrong, if not knowing it was wrong before we even did these things.

Absolutely not , that is true but also because we have been given the Holy Spirit who guides us we would not do those things . So in that sense it is a given fact and if we did then we were not saved in the first place.

We will all sin, we will lie from time to time. We do not make a habit of it though, do we? So, with that in mind, how often do we consider the Sabbath? And should it be considered as such as laid out, or in a different light?

Of course we will sin cause we are sinners saved by grace but we are still tempted by satan and falter but we can also ask forgiveness and our loving Heavenly Father is there with His mercy and His grace.

And yes you are right that we consider the Sabbath in a different light and as I stated already , we call the first day of the week the Lord's Day , where we gather in our house of worship to honour Christ.

Thats kind of the whole idea of studying it in the OT and then in the NT. We would 'understand' that the other 9 commandments are a no brainer that they are wrong. We do not 'spiritualize' them do we? We do not say, "it is murder to hate someone, so I am just going to shoot them with a gun instead". No, we understand that murder is murder in the physical sense, and it is in the heart sense also. Same for lying, same for stealing, same for all other 9 commandments. But here, we see the Sabbath, and for some reason we drop the literal 7th day rest.

Bottom line is what Christ asks of us to love the Lord with all our heart and when we love Him from our heart , everything else is secondary .

Does this make sense? Do you see my questions here? I am just trying to better understand the literal sense of it. I have a extremely great grasp of the spiritual side of it. But does it still not have a literal side to it as does all other 9 commandments?

Yes of course , I understand what you are saying but I find that the literal side is not as important as the spiritual . I was just trying to present the literal by saying that if we are treating every day as Christ would have us to by reading the Word , praying and loving our neibour as ourselves . Setting aside the first day as unto God and fellowshipping with other Christians and being taught the scriptures by our shepherd ( Pastor ) and calling it the Lord's Day , I believe is appropriate .

But hey, that is just the way I see it and others do not have to agree.

 

[Dusty]

It seems that this is the Prophetic purpose of Christs mission...

Isa. 42:21
[19] Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
[20] Seeing many things, but [thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.]

[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; [he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.]

And how did He do that? Hate when in the finished mature state
is murder, and adultery when in the heart is finished! James 1:15 And you say what??
---Elijah

Hi Elijah .... I can't seem to understand how this is fitting in with the topic of the Sabbath . Sorry .

 

[Nathan]

Yes of course , I understand what you are saying but I find that the literal side is not as important as the spiritual . I was just trying to present the literal by saying that if we are treating every day as Christ would have us to by reading the Word , praying and loving our neibour as ourselves . Setting aside the first day as unto God and fellowshipping with other Christians and being taught the scriptures by our shepherd ( Pastor ) and calling it the Lord's Day , I believe is appropriate .

But hey, that is just the way I see it and others do not have to agree.

Yea, I hear what your saying. And not that it matters to you, but I do have to say that I believe the literal is as important as the spiritual. But with that said, we also must keep in mind, thanks to 'bolts', Romans 14.;)

However, all in all I am leaning toward a literal interpretation that also includes the spiritual 'application'. In order to know that it is indeed Biblically sound though, I must study the Sabbath to its fullness.

Hey, in doing so I have been shown quite a few things so far. For one, I used to be one of those that would say, "if God chose to create the world in 6 or 6,000 years, or even 6,000,000 years, whats the big deal. He created it". Then I read the importance of 'remembering' and 'keeping' it, and how time after time it is referred to by God, Himself, that it was six "days". It then gets me to thinking how this is one way the 'world' and 'spirit of disobedience' works in the lives and minds of evolutionists.

They can reconcile God as an 'entity' but not so much personal, because with it taking so long to create all things, then this 'god' started things in motion and wallah...here we are today. So this 'god' is just a 'energy'. But if we stick to the literal definition of "day" as it is presented for us, time after time, then we have to sit back and say....WOW. In a week He made all of this from nothing. And the implications that arise from that are numerous, which is precisely why they want to discount it.

On a side note. Until the advent of modernity and its 'relaxation' of this idea of the Sabbath, and the fact it was to represent the fact that God created everything in 6 days not be a burden or statute for 'not doing anything', the whole evolution thing was a big joke. Seriously, until we started to not keep it holy, like what the command is for in the first place, we have slowly and surely let our bickering and fighting over one physical day or another give the enemy a foot hold to bring in the real destructive heresy of evolution. The command was to 'keep it holy and show forth the glory that God created everything in 6 literal days'. We/they turned it into, God rested so must we.

I am thinking that we may still be missing the entire 'point' of the command. That is why I am interested in all that God had to say about it in the OT. And why I find it interesting that while God said in Exodus 31 "Above all...." in describing the keeping of the Sabbath, and then when He came in human flesh He really did not speak much to it except for correcting the skewed views of those imposing 'ordinances' on it. Why the change? Why be so 'forceful' about it before, and then not teach so 'profusely' on it when He came?

 

[Elijah674]

Hi Elijah .... I can't seem to understand how this is fitting in with the topic of the Sabbath . Sorry .

Sabbath is a word that replies to any type of rest day. The Eternal Sabbath is in the Lords ETERNITY! Isa, 66:22-23.

But we are wanting THIS SABBATH that God SANCTIFIED, BLESSED, & SET ASIDE FOR HOLY USE, to be found before God quit [talking to His creation]. (the Jew at Mount Sinaai)
It was the Lords MEMORIAL of Creation's BIRTHDAY. (for one!) It was surely Adams [FIRST WARNING Sermon] given him & Eve on the 'LORDS DAY'. of Rev. 1:10's Seventh Day Sabbath of Theirs! (Mark 2:27-28 'made for man'.. MANKINDS NO JEW!)

And the ones from creation on to Mount Sinaai??? These that were His own Believers [ALL WERE COMMANDED BY GOD IN HIS OWN SPEECH]. Gen. 3:16, Gen. 4:7, Gen. 7:1-2 even finds Noah before the flood with 'HEALTH LAWS'! (more came later Lev. 11) + Noah in Gen. 9:9. God still directly SPOKE to Noah about a future Covenant. And Gen. 32-chapter 11:1 we again [SEE] that there was [ONLY ONE TONGUE in Speech & that God TALKED DIRECTLY TO HIS OWN with also! (+ many more verses!)

His OWN OBEYED GOD! I gave the verse of Gen. 12:1-6 where Abe [WHO WAS A GENTILE CONVERT HIMSELF] at this time, had all of these prievous years OBEYED GODS VOICE to him. He had many CONVERTS! (and verse 5are not Jew Converts)
OK: What ETERNAL GOSPEL was he teaching them [[[+ GODS SABBATH DAY!! Rev. 14:6 + James 2:8-12, 1 John 2:4... see 1 John 3:4 for what SIN HAS ETERNALLY BEEN!]]] Think of satan in heavens rebellion! Eccl. 3:15

CHRIST NEVER CHANGES!! 13:8 His Eternal COVENANT was the Godheads very MORAL EPISTLE CHARACTER to Eternity! 2 Cor. 3:3. 'God IS LOVE' All of Their ten Commandment are about LOVEING! Matt. 22:35-40.

We are told what was before the ten Commandments that were given on Mount Sinaai if one can BELIEVE GOD & understand His Truth. See Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 and then THINK! and the forth one starts out with REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY... ;)

Ask yourself what ETERNAL GOSPEL (of Rev. 14:6) was Noah PREACHING for 120 years before the flood? (NO JEW) And the HOLY GHOST was [[[STRIVING]]] with his ETERNAL GOSPEL!! And what was that?? See Matt. 28:18-20 and do not MISS verse 20's TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE [ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU!]

And NO, Gen. 26:5 told anyone who is Rom. 8:1 first, & then verse 14's LED OF THE HOLY GHOST, that God VERBALLY GAVE TO ABE ALL OF HIS [[REQUIRED]] COMMANDMENTS INCLUDING THEIR 7TH DAY SABBATH. (except future ones required for His Sanctuary proceedings. See Gal. 3:15)

But you can be sure that GOD DOES NOT CHANGE HIS ETERNAL 7TH DAY SABBATH!! See Rev. 22:8-9 even!

And surely you knew that Abe was even a tithe payer as God had pre/directed. And folks falsely teach against this command as well. huh?

--Elijah

 

[Dusty]

Thanks Elijah for the concise post and the understanding of the Sabbath . I now understand where you are going with that. It is an important study .

A question arises , though , and I am wondering if we should still be calling , Sunday ' THe Sabbath " . I know the Jewish peoples still called their Sat that and they of course are stuck in the OT . but for me I think I would prefer to call it " The Lord's Day "

But no matter , cause the most important question is are we honouring God by joining together with other believers and getting our spiritual food to start our week ?

 

[Theofilus]

Exd 20:9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,

So it does not classify Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday....See what I mean?

Actually, it does specify a day. The Jews didn't have names for most of their days as we do. They just counted them, "first day", "second day", "third day" etc. The only exception was the Sabbath. It was the only day that had a name. We can see which day it was in Matthew.

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. (Mett. 28:1 KJV)​

The Sabbath was the day before the women went to the tomb. There is no doubt about which day the Sabbath is. It's the one we call Saturday. While people may debate whether Christians are to keep this commandment or not, there is no argument about which day it is. If we are to keep the Sabbath, it is to be on Saturday (more specifically, from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday).

Ok. So if we do not work 6 days, but only 5, does that mean we are not 'keeping' it?

It's not just about not working. It says to "keep it holy". It's also supposed to be a day of worship and dedication to God. Just not working doesn't fulfill that part.

We should keep it holy by not working. How else do we keep the Sabbath holy?

The word "holy" means "set apart". We keep the Sabbath holy by setting it apart for God. This one day is not meant for us. Let the world turn without us for one day and let God take care of things. We should use the Sabbath for prayer, Bible study and worship. That's the main focus of it. Resting from our work is just so we can concentrate on God.

 

[Elijah674]

Thanks Elijah for the concise post and the understanding of the Sabbath . I now understand where you are going with that. It is an important study .

A question arises , though , and I am wondering if we should still be calling , Sunday ' THe Sabbath " . I know the Jewish peoples still called their Sat that and they of course are stuck in the OT . but for me I think I would prefer to call it " The Lord's Day "

But no matter , cause the most important question is are we honouring God by joining together with other believers and getting our spiritual food to start our week ?

Hi Dusty. If any want Christs Inspired Truth (Isa. 5:3 finds the only thing missing!) you should check out a LEGALIST right? Israel is an object recorded history Long before romes stuff or us'ins came along!

You can see how long Sabbath records have been kept by them
That is all fine & well, and this stuff of today's Rev. 17:1-5 ones use to be a common arguement before Dan's. 'Increased Knowledge' came to the little people, but now days the 7TH DAY SABBATH HATERS (If you Love Me Keep My Commandments) need to go beyond their false stuff into a little more deceitful false stuff! 2 Cor. 4:2. Remember satans desirees must mature also! (Gen. 4:7)

But the book of John 20:1-20 also caused these ones to take the blinders off of us'ins! When Mary came to the tomb of Christ at dark, the Seventh Day Sabbath had stopped Fri. at sundown. We see that Christ was already GONE! Resurected! Mary was CRYING when Christ came to her, and seeing that it was dark also she did not at first recognize Him.

But take also another Truth! Christ had been in the tomb nubering 3 days, and He tells Mary that He had not yet accended to Jehovah God. (you read it for exact wording) 'Toch Me not'. That even shows that Christ told the theif on the cross something else tnan what has been taught over the years. (so we know that uninspired man put the coma in the wrong place, it shouls read,, 'I say unto you today, ..'

And back to false theology that has been taught for a long time is in verse 19. We had heard that the diciples were having a Sunday Service meeting! It say's that they were in HIDING!

Anyway. This chapter is full of good Truth!;) It even PROVES a 7 Day Weekly Cycle from creation. Hey, let me add one more of satans junk/food? We hear many of these false teachers tell us how that they believe that God did & can keep His Word in/tack all through the ages even going through the hands of evil men.. in which we surely agree! And then to talk out of the other side of their mouth and say that.. 'How can we know that the 7 Th. Day of the Week is Saturday???

But today we are having Judes 'New Winds' coming into the work of satan. The word of RESTING is as bad as the misaplied word of FINISHED! And the 'teachers' need watching regardless if it be me or another that violated Isa. 8:20. Some are even best used if they are seen as kind & loving!

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Thanks Elijah for the concise post and the understanding of the Sabbath . I now understand where you are going with that. It is an important study .

A question arises , though , and I am wondering if we should still be calling , Sunday ' THe Sabbath " . I know the Jewish peoples still called their Sat that and they of course are stuck in the OT . but for me I think I would prefer to call it " The Lord's Day "

But no matter , cause the most important question is are we honouring God by joining together with other believers and getting our spiritual food to start our week ?

Hi again, what do you make of this..

"There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will however be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament-absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of such change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week."
-Dr. E.T. Hiscox, author of the Baptist Manual.

Here is another of his personal documentation recorded years ago, in the New York Examiner, November 16, 1893
-Dr. E.T. Hiscox, report of his sermon at the Baptist Minister's Convention.

"To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' discussion with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question, discussing it in some of its various aspects, freeing it from its false (Jewish traditional) glosses, never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during the forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated. Nor, so far as we know, did the Spirit, which was given to bring to their remembrance all things whatsoever that He had said unto them, deal with this question, counseling and instructing those founded, discus or approach the subject.

Of course I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun-god, then adopted and sanctified by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism."