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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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A taste of heaven right from earth
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Heaven.Where is heaven?I don't know.
Doesn't the new earth come after the millennial period's thousand year reign of Christ?
I have wondered if the following scripture has something to do with that judgment.
Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
I thought the New Earth and New Jerusalem Revelation 21 was right after the tribulation.After the battle of Armageddon has been fought.I think that the Battle of Armageddon is fought when Jesus comes back at the Second Coming.But I will read futher and confirm that.It will also happen when Satan has been chained for 1000 years Revelation 20:11-13.
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That is the foundation of my understanding on the issue. And while it is not recorded in the scriptures we should be well studied enough to be able to use Scientific Fact to help us to understand what God has revealed to us. In this line I look at the Dead Sea, Sodom and Gomorrah. We know that God rained down fire on that area and we look at the Dead Sea and it is not only, just, wrong in all respects but Archaeologists report finding to big cities on it's bottom. So I ask myself, did God's fire from Heaven burn, even, the dirt away?
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Not really, the Thousand Year reign of the Christ and He through the Bride must be completed first. The biggest problem with the Book of The Revelation Of Jesus, The Christ is that it scares the bulk of the World's Preachers are scared to death to teach this book because they are not fully surrendered to the leading of the Holy Spirit's leading resulting in much confusion because people want to know the secrets held in the text and formulate their own and often heretical ideas of what it says by taking one or two verses out of their context.
I have encountered to many people that do not have the Time Line for the Major events of the End Time. And it is not just Pastors that are scared to death of total surrender, it is true of most of the people in the church on any given day. The first line of the first paragraph throws most people because they do not know that the Bride will be rulers, under Christ, of cities, states and countries. My memory is slipping now and can no longer quote the address' and most people are not familiar with the Nave's nor the Torrey's to easily access Topical passages in their Bibles. But it is all there.
Alot of pastors do not want to teach about hell or the End Times.They think it scares them.They want to please their congregation.
yes, so true. surrender is practically unknown, but is still totally required by Yhwh for those who want to live in Him, in Yeshua HaMashiach (Messiah) by grace through faith, even the faith being a gift from Yhwh that many do not have.
surrender in Yhwh's Kingdom lets Yhwh put all things, everything, in order where it is best put, and is the only way to receive His Teaching/Trainging in Truth, as Yeshua said someplace, only those who surrender their whole entire life (who serve Yhwh with all their heart and soul and mind and spirit and all that is within them) will be taught by Him and (elsewhere stated) receive Life from Him. This is actually a common theme, all through the O.T. and N.T.
"Luke 14:33 - Bible Gateway - BibleGateway.com NIV
33 So then, any of you who does not forsake (renounce, surrender claim to, give up, ... 33 In the same way, whoever does not give up all that he has, ..."
... cannot be My disciple.
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And that places them in the category of Ear Ticklers. I have been seated once under such a teacher but never again.
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Amen and people often say this teaching is arrogant because they fear the truth.
Why not preach the truth of the Bible?
Yes, and they don't 'think' they can obey/surrender. Pastors don't even think they can themselves, and more afraid that who they preach to won't obey/surrender, so they preach a different message that they think people will like and stay for.
The will is to be brought willingly and joyfully subject to Yeshua in everything thought and even imagination, not just in deed and action and word...
1st hit in web search:
"2 Corinthians 10:5 NIV - We demolish arguments and every ...
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."
a few do. keith green, david wilkerson, martin luther ---- not perfect, but from Scripture preached the Truth and let the Word have it's effect if Yhwh gives growth.
most don't, for so many different reasons; greed probably being one big one, being like the scribes and pharisees being another obvious ilk.
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LOL. The scripture tells us HE went towards the sky. Not kidding.
"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand
here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who
has been taken from you into heaven, will come
back in the same way you have seen him go into
heaven."
on a search of the web for a simple answer : >
"Heaven is the sky and sky fits in every instance. Heaven is not the place with the 'pearly gates' or the 'streets of gold ' as the pulpit would have you believe."
That seems correct, haven't seen(yet,haven't tested/searched yet) a contradiction with Yhwh's Word.......
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The truth is very divisive and the product of division is always less. Since they are not surrendered to the will of God, they are by default, surrendered to the Lord of this world and he keeps them through their various lusts. The largest noticeable is their lust for money and a divided but true to God means a smaller pay check available.
If a man preaches the truth of the size of the Rapture, the truth of the end of the Millennial Reign, the truth of the Billions that already await the Great White Throne judgement or the truth of the billions that are presently headed into the Bottomless Pit verses the thousands that will be saved and the hundreds that are members of the Bride and people's money walks right out the front door.
Just south of my location sets Houston, football's, baseball's and basketball's favorite Sin City. There is a mega church there that I have known members and former members of and the universal complaint form all of them is the Homosexual Leaders hiding there. The Pastor there is not at all like his dad who taught the whole truth of the Bible and I have been instructed by all my friends that have been there that the reason is the money these practicing sinners bring to church every Sunday.
As I said, the truth is very divisive.
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The world would be a wonderful place if we all would learn and follow that instruction but, then, if we did Satan would have no place in this world.
COOL! lead in for our part to >
"Ephesians 4:23-27King James Version (KJV)
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
King James Version (KJV)
by Public Domain " (biblegateway.com)