A taste of heaven right from earth

[Kathi]

The truth is very divisive and the product of division is always less. Since they are not surrendered to the will of God, they are by default, surrendered to the Lord of this world and he keeps them through their various lusts. The largest noticeable is their lust for money and a divided but true to God means a smaller pay check available.

If a man preaches the truth of the size of the Rapture, the truth of the end of the Millennial Reign, the truth of the Billions that already await the Great White Throne judgement or the truth of the billions that are presently headed into the Bottomless Pit verses the thousands that will be saved and the hundreds that are members of the Bride and people's money walks right out the front door.

Just south of my location sets Houston, football's, baseball's and basketball's favorite Sin City. There is a mega church there that I have known members and former members of and the universal complaint form all of them is the Homosexual Leaders hiding there. The Pastor there is not at all like his dad who taught the whole truth of the Bible and I have been instructed by all my friends that have been there that the reason is the money these practicing sinners bring to church every Sunday.

As I said, the truth is very divisive.

Well....that is sad.More concerned about the pocketbook than the truth hu?

 

[follower]

Yeshua said it simple and powerfully, "be miserable and mourn and weep...."
to whom ? 'you poor' ? no. to the rich.
yes, 'spiritual rich'(in themselves) as well as physical rich.....
remember, the true believers- faithful to Yeshua, if they are rich, weep fervently and deeply because of sin, just like poor believers faithful to Yeshua. but they weep with a sorrow that leads to repentance.

A taste of heaven....
Would Jesus do these:
Would Jesus own manshions, private jets, etc?
........
This bring me back to my intent: is luxury and wealth really that bad or bad?
....
What is heaven like? A place of poverty? NO! It is a place of joy. Everything is perfect and complete. So why cant we have a feel or taste of heaven (no matter how incomparable eartly wealth is...) right from earth.

a taste of heaven?? >> the kingdom is not meat and drink(or things moth and rust and thieves can take) but Righteousness(today), Peace(today), and Joy(today), and eternal life to boot(forever!).
Jesus wouldn't own those. Yes , luxury and wealth really is that bad, and worse. Those who desire the things of the world are not a friend of Yhwh, remember ? "he who hates his life will gain it" and so on.... much much more if you can bear it - read it in the Gospels and the rest of the N.T.
How many times did Yeshua emphasize that to be His disciple, you had to give up ice cream on weekends ? (i.e. what did Yeshua say to give up?)
Don't let man dissuade you nor distract you from what Yeshua says.
and,
wonderfully , seek the true taste of heaven >> what Yeshua says >> Righteousness, Peace and Joy; now, today, Yhwh's Gift; (with conditions found in Scripture)

 

[th1b.taylor]

Well....that is sad.More concerned about the pocketbook than the truth hu?

Yes mam and it is all rooted in disbelief.

 

[Classik]

on a search of the web for a simple answer : >
"Heaven is the sky and sky fits in every instance. Heaven is not the place with the 'pearly gates' or the 'streets of gold ' as the pulpit would have you believe."

That seems correct, haven't seen(yet,haven't tested/searched yet) a contradiction with Yhwh's Word.......

I think there are verses that describe Heaven...not full description

 

[Kathi]

I think there are verses that describe Heaven...not description

2 Corinthians 1-9
Revelation 21:10-27
Revelation 22:1-2
Revelation 22:5

 

[Classik]

2 Corinthians 1-9
Revelation 21:10-27
Revelation 22:1-2
Revelation 22:5

Literally?

Sorry. I edited the post. Missed "full"

 

[Kathi]

Literally?

Sorry. I edited the post. Missed "full"

Yes,literally.

 

[follower]

I think there are verses that describe Heaven...not full description

2 Corinthians 1-9
Revelation 21:10-27
Revelation 22:1-2
Revelation 22:5

Literally?

Yes,literally.

on a search of the web for a simple answer : >
"Heaven is the sky and sky fits in every instance. Heaven is not the place with the 'pearly gates' or the 'streets of gold ' as the pulpit would have you believe."
That seems correct, haven't seen(yet,haven't tested/searched yet) a contradiction with Yhwh's Word.......

This is true. Literally. The solid gold streets, pure as glass, is true and literal. And gates to the city that are pearls. It's not a place we go to somewhere by and by in the sky. We who are granted life, eternal life, inherit the earth(that gets cleaned up, renewed, and/or replace finally with the new earth).

 

[follower]

from very long web page:
EDITED reba
"All this goes to show that in the future the kingdom of heaven will be connected with the world, for the kingdom of heaven shall one day be manifested on earth (see Zech. 14.5,9; and also Ps. 8. 6-9—this latter Scripture being a psalm of the kingdom). The domain of the future kingdom of heaven shall be the earth (though its rule shall indeed be from heaven), for the world will not be destroyed until after the millennial kingdom is ended. "
"The subject of Matthew’s Gospel is the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven."
"The first thirteen chapters of Matthew can be simply outlined as follows:
Chapters 1-4: Preparation for the Lord’s coming as King
Chapters 5-7: The moral nature of the kingdom of heaven
Chapters 8-12: The Lord’s allusion to the Gentile as well as Jewish side
Chapter 13: The mysteries or outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven "
....
".....Matthew 13 is so rich to the point of being inexhaustible...."
so true - so much in one chapter, only touched upon in this page - a lot to consider.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I think there are verses that describe Heaven...not full description

Classick,
T here are three heavens, the sky we see, Outer Space, t he second heaven and then there is the third Heaven none of us have seen. You theology for this matter is in error. The Tree of Life is not going to be planted in the sky nor will the road, commonly called Heaven's Boulevard, cannot run across the sky without it being supported by the Earth. And then there is the case where Heaven descends and, then, is found on the New Earth. I'm really not ready to try to convince the Holy Spirit that the sky will descend upon the earth.

 

[jasonc]

Not really, the Thousand Year reign of the Christ and He through the Bride must be completed first. The biggest problem with the Book of The Revelation Of Jesus, The Christ is that it scares the bulk of the World's Preachers are scared to death to teach this book because they are not fully surrendered to the leading of the Holy Spirit's leading resulting in much confusion because people want to know the secrets held in the text and formulate their own and often heretical ideas of what it says by taking one or two verses out of their context.

I have encountered to many people that do not have the Time Line for the Major events of the End Time. And it is not just Pastors that are scared to death of total surrender, it is true of most of the people in the church on any given day. The first line of the first paragraph throws most people because they do not know that the Bride will be rulers, under Christ, of cities, states and countries. My memory is slipping now and can no longer quote the address' and most people are not familiar with the Nave's nor the Torrey's to easily access Topical passages in their Bibles. But it is all there.

joel osteen? the location sounds right.

 

[Edward]

A taste of heaven right from earth

Would Jesus do these:

Would Jesus own manshions, private jets, etc?

Two people were having a conversation over luxury. The other said: why all these jewellery on you? It's a waste and a sin. The other answered, heaven is made of gold and such etc.

This bring me back to my intent: is luxury and wealth really that bad or bad?

What is heaven like? A place of poverty? NO! It is a place of joy. Everything is perfect and complete. So why cant we have a feel or taste of heaven (no matter how incomparable eartly wealth is...) right from earth.

Well yeah, but we should ask the question, what is luxury and wealth? Is it in that gold trinket in the jewelry box? Is it in your wallet? Bank account? Maybe it's the wheel of your lear jet? lol.

Real wealth is in the heart. It's in that hug that your girl gives you. It's in the smile on your kids face when you've made them feel very happy and loved. It's in the knowledge of the presence of God in our lives. There can be a taste of heaven here on earth. We just have to look in the right places with a proper perspective.

 

[th1b.taylor]

joel osteen? the location sounds right.

Yes. I watched him for a while after his dad passed and I did not like him because he was and is a great motivational speaker but he never preaches from the scriptures. The big black man that did so many solos ten or more years ago now and I became fast friends because I and he love to sing and he, along with others, clued me in to why they had left the biggest church in Houston. Apparently, I do not know this personally, the pews and the leadership are full of openly practicing homosexuals. If it is no more than a rumor, it is enough, by itself, to restrain me from going there. But with multiple separate reports I just doubt it is only a rumor.

 

[jasonc]

I cant say for sure, just that what you described sounded like osteen story of how he became a pastor. I would rather be able to see, I have a local apostate churches that I can look at online and know members and besure if they are indeed apostate. one of them might not be apostate. I may have to go and visit to see.

 

[Classik]

Classick,
T here are three heavens, the sky we see, Outer Space, t he second heaven and then there is the third Heaven none of us have seen. You theology for this matter is in error. The Tree of Life is not going to be planted in the sky nor will the road, commonly called Heaven's Boulevard, cannot run across the sky without it being supported by the Earth. And then there is the case where Heaven descends and, then, is found on the New Earth. I'm really not ready to try to convince the Holy Spirit that the sky will descend upon the earth.

Well...I don't know. I have also heard about 7th Heaven.

And someone (scientific in nature ) writes that God lives in the Sun where no one can penetrate.

 

[follower]

where Yhwh dwells is not bound within physical creation, all of which He created through Yeshua, and all of which one day will all melt away, according to Scripture.
some (scientific in nature) is full of (censored) wash.

 

[Classik]

where Yhwh dwells is not bound within physical creation, all of which He created through Yeshua, and all of which one day will all melt away, according to Scripture.
some (scientific in nature) is full of (censored) wash.

Yea. We hear a lot of strange things. I don't usually pay attention to these...and I don't always wave them away (I listen to know if they are true.)

 

[follower]

Yea. We hear a lot of strange things. I don't usually pay attention to these...and I don't always wave them away (I listen to know if they are true.)

Remember the whole world listens, and is deceived by, the beast (Revelation 12),
and
from Matthew throughout the New Testament how many warnings there are about the deceivers trying to persuade every one to follow them, and getting many to fall away from the truth......

Scripture again somewhere, or many places, says test everything - even if Paul or Apollos or an angel of light brings a message,
if it doesn't line up in accord with all of Scripture, reject it.

and, later, the Spirit of Yhwh will (or may) let you know all that is true..... He is Faithful.

 

[Kathi]

Well yeah, but we should ask the question, what is luxury and wealth? Is it in that gold trinket in the jewelry box? Is it in your wallet? Bank account? Maybe it's the wheel of your lear jet? lol.

Real wealth is in the heart. It's in that hug that your girl gives you. It's in the smile on your kids face when you've made them feel very happy and loved. It's in the knowledge of the presence of God in our lives. There can be a taste of heaven here on earth. We just have to look in the right places with a proper perspective.

Are you for real?

 

[Edward]

Are you for real?

Absolutely, and along with love is the knowledge of God which makes one rich. His word is better than gold, yea fine gold, according to Psalms.