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abortion is murder, and how shall we respond to it

jasoncran

jasoncran

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Yes, we christian believe the abortion is murder, my question is how shall respond to the docs who do the act,and those who assist him/her.
I think that are guilty of murder, rather i know, but it's legal, yes sick
is the law wrong, yes, are we right to take this to our hands , and kill those who offer those services,, no
two murders dont make it right

pray, yes
convince them of their sin, yes

but the question is it the right way, i'm not sure, think about it too some it can be said that its defending the weak from the strong.

No, i'm not suggesting bombing the clinics or murder the docs, but what else can we do?
 
Re: abortion is murder, and how shall respond it

Well my good brother Jason, I did not say it, God's word says it. The thing is, I am not afraid to say it, you see in today's world Christians are scared to really say what they think. Christians are going with the popular thing to say, the politically correct thing to say. Now yes a murderer can repent and be forgiven, but if you keep killing people and you don't want to repent, and just ignore God, you should be put to death. You even hear Christians today say, if you are getting the beat down of your life, just stand there and take it, don't defend yourself.( Laughter ) now do that make sense. So now we are to let demons kill babies, who can't raise one finger to defend themselves. My anger is called (Righteous Indignation)
 
Lawlessness is anti-Christness

We live in a country where laws govern our actions.
Becoming lawless is not going to work the righteousness of God.

When it comes time to vote? Vote your good conscience.
When it comes time to act? Act in accordance to the law; We as Christians need to put any hint of lawlessness far from us.

~Sparrowhawke
 
Re: Lawlessness is anti-Christness

Sparrowhawke said:
We live in a country where laws govern our actions.
Becoming lawless is not going to work the righteousness of God.

When it comes time to vote? Vote your good conscience.
When it comes time to act? Act in accordance to the law; We as Christians need to put any hint of lawlessness far from us.

~Sparrowhawke
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I don't agree with that ether how many babies have been killed since the courts gave the go ahead, millions, and the vote ain't done a thing yet. When the laws of the land go against God's laws, you are to resist it.
Acts 5:29 (King James Version)

29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
 
Resist lawfully? Okay. Advocate that the law of the land be changed to reflect your opinion? Yes! Take the law into your own hands? Absolutely not. Also, don't let me hear you say that you are going to go kill somebody because I am a mandated reporter. I have no choice but to report planned unlawful acts such as murder. I am indeed an ordained (by man) member of the clergy but "privileged communications" will not and does not cover conversations that include conspiracy to commit murder. I'm simply saying that I am unwilling to take part in unlawful conspiracies and strongly advise that you adhere to common sense while you are using the internet.

~Sparrowhawke
 
First of all I did not say I was going to do anything, I said how I feel, and I don't care if it is the internet, I am going to say how I feel. Now if God told me to go kill them I would, but it would have to be God. He did that a lot in the Bible you know. But on the other hand you talk about do this within the law, sometimes the law has to be taken in the peoples hands. People don't even protest in this country anymore. This nicey, nicey, goody, goody, 2 shoes stuff don't get it for every situation, and you can't sit up there and tell me it does. So with me anyway and I don't mean to sound harsh, but you are wasting your breath, because I don't care what is said, I will not back down.
 
I like you, don't get me wrong.
Did Peter cut off the ear of the soldier who came to arrest Jesus?
It is perfectly understandable, isn't it?

~Sparrowhawke

PS. I am no stranger to being a Zealot. :D
The words, "nicey, nicey, goody, goody, 2 shoes" makes me smile ear to ear because nobody has ever called me this before. I want to resist sin unto the shedding of blood - but it will be MY blood, not the blood of anybody else.
 
Lewis W said:
First of all I did not say I was going to do anything, I said how I feel, and I don't care if it is the internet, I am going to say how I feel. Now if God told me to go kill them I would, but it would have to be God. He did that a lot in the Bible you know. But on the other hand you talk about do this within the law, sometimes the law has to be taken in the peoples hands. People don't even protest in this country anymore. This nicey, nicey, goody, goody, 2 shoes stuff don't get it for every situation, and you can't sit up there and tell me it does. So with me anyway and I don't mean to sound harsh, but you are wasting your breath, because I don't care what is said, I will not back down.
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You've got to be kidding me. I left one of the Evangelical churches I used to belong to because they were over active in protesting. They still are to, they use their youth groups to recruit new protesters.There are entire blogs dedicated to going around protesting. WBC is still pretty active and has many dates on their calendar of where they are going to protest. Lewis if you look, you will find a protest group.
 
shoot lewis in my heart of hearts i feel the same way, but i not the Lord and how am i to judge when i'm worthy of death, havent my sins of rebellion and stealing from my parents made me worthy of stoning? I will alow the Lord to judge, yes our courts are wicked, but protest if you feel its your calling, i choose to fast and pray as the Lord can convict and cause the wicked to change heart.

jason
 
America does not protest like we did in the 60's and 70's we got things done, because we were relentless, rallies were held all over America for injustice, and I was a part of that as a young hippie. We protested for the injustice for people of color, we protested abortion, we protested the killings at Kent State, we protested for any injustice against the people. This is a different America, everybody is for their self, and could care less about killed babies.
 
Lewis W said:
America does not protest like we did in the 60's and 70's we got things done, because we were relentless, rallies were held all over America for injustice, and I was a part of that as a young hippie. We protested for the injustice for people of color, we protested abortion, we protested the killings at Kent State, we protested for any injustice against the people. This is a different America, everybody is for their self, and could care less about killed babies.
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Or people realize that government doesn't care as much. the last major protest was for the Iraq war, Millions of people all over he world stood in protest. Know what happened? Some were arrested off camera or completely ignored. The protest against the Iraq war is in the record books as the biggest protest ever. People have learned that it doesn't matter anymore, the government doesn't care, or at least Bush didn't care.
 
Prayer is a good place to start. There is no better place to be than on one's knees before God. Love too is something anymore that seems in short supply, to take a life, just as any sin is wrong. It is just that simple. To walk away from a life of sin, the first thing any of us as sinners need to do is admit our short comings and seek forgiveness. Forgiveness though, if pushed tends to turn into something more like resentment. So rather than push and push and push to have those who are pro-choice to change their ways, ministering in love and prayer for them might greater serve God's purpose than bashing a bible over their heads. More often than not, preaching "you cannot be a christian and have those views..." or "you will go to hell if you do not seek forgiveness..." are not words for any of us to say. God alone knows each of us as well as who will or will not be in the Lamb's Book of Life. So while we may need to practice the works we are implored to in scripture, it is really God who decides all in the end.
 
You should respond by trying to change other peoples minds regarding abortion. You do that though intelligent discussion of your opinion of abortion.

First stop saying abortion is murder. It isn't murder. Murder is a legal term, and since abortion is legal it isn't murder.

Focus on several talking points.

1. We are all alive and human from conception. Many pro abortionists put much effort into trying to deny these facts. Use science against them. There is a good definition of what constitutes a living thing so just throw that at them. Second we are human from conception as well as alive. Our unique DNA is formed at conception. That DNA is most certainly human.

Life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life


2. Abortion is a selfish and immoral act. Most abortions take place for mere convenience. Also, as adoption is a readily available option most abortions fall into the category of I don't want it, but I don't want anyone else to have it either. It might grow up and ask me hard questions I don't want to answer.

3. Abortion is discriminatory. Simply say men deserve equal protection under the law, and fathers deserve a say in the life and death of their children. I have debated and honed these talking points they can be much more nuanced, but I think you get my dift.
 
so was the act of the killing jews in nazi germany legal and it's still murder, but if the means you use to change works...

however i still believe abortion is murder legal or not, the lord doesnt see it any different. what? is it ok to call a soldier a child killer but ooh if we call the abortion provider a murderer all hell's broke loose, talk about uneven scales..

yes we can be sensitive to the mother who has aborted her child, but the doctor (planned parenthood takes advantage of those poor women, some are just babies having a baby and dont know where to go) sorry if i have no problem calling the doctors murders, yes we can use science to prove our point, heck i've had the abortion procedure described in detail to me, and i lost my appepite.

money that is made of the death of those unborn is pure evil, jesus described the pharisee sin in detail and called them serpents, so did john the baptist, and you know what the lord converted a few, nicodemus, and those were there at the crufixication

jason
 
jasoncran said:
so was the act of the killing jews in nazi germany legal and it's still murder, but if the means you use to change works...

however i still believe abortion is murder legal or not, the lord doesnt see it any different. what? is it ok to call a soldier a child killer but ooh if we call the abortion provider a murderer all hell's broke loose, talk about uneven scales..

yes we can be sensitive to the mother who has aborted her child, but the doctor (planned parenthood takes advantage of those poor women, some are just babies having a baby and dont know where to go) sorry if i have no problem calling the doctors murders, yes we can use science to prove our point, heck i've had the abortion procedure described in detail to me, and i lost my appepite.

money that is made of the death of those unborn is pure evil, jesus described the pharisee sin in detail and called them serpents, so did john the baptist, and you know what the lord converted a few, nicodemus, and those were there at the crufixication

jason
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It just doesn't serve a purpose to call abortion Dr's murderers. Murder has a specific legal meaning, and there are various versions of murder. Some killing is called manslaughter. When you use emotional words people tend to stop thinking in response.

For example if the Dr. is a murderer then the woman who had the abortion is an accessory to murder. No one really wants to see these women go to prison for accessory to murder.

So if the point is to scream and yell, but get no results then say murder all you want, but if you want to change anyone's mind and get them to vote the way you want them to, you have to speak in a reasonable way, and frame the debate logically.
 
If I paid someone to kill my unborn child in its mothers womb because I did not want to be a father and that person tied the mother down and did and abortion would it be right? Would that person and myself be charged with murder? What is the difference when a woman pays the doctor to do it without the consent of the father. Is that Murder? I am pro life so this question is just to get you thinking! What does Jesus think? God creates and man destroys! :mad
 
:naughty

I think abortion can only be allowed in the case of the pregnant woman's life being at risk.

:verysick :crying
 
Tina said:
:naughty

I think abortion can only be allowed in the case of the pregnant woman's life being at risk.

:verysick :crying
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I agree self defense is really the only justification to take a life, but I'm not really sure if that is really following the teachings of Jesus. As he never fought back in the face of certain death.
 
Tina said:
I think abortion can only be allowed in the case of the pregnant woman's life being at risk.
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That's how Planned Parenthood sold the procedure in the beginning. Then it grew little by little.
 
kenmaynard said:
I agree self defense is really the only justification to take a life, but I'm not really sure if that is really following the teachings of Jesus. As he never fought back in the face of certain death.
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We are not Jesus.

The pregnant woman whose life is in danger may attempt to fight back , but will it always work ?
Will God penalize a woman for having little faith to carry on with the pregnancy ?


:chin :ohwell
 
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