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Hang in there with me as this is something of a personal story and how it relates to scriptures.

I met Bonnie years ago...too many to count.

Bonnie and her sister look a lot alike... Theresa was always more "fun" and didn't bother so much with college. Bonnie studied music though. She was quite good. Her voice and looks had her pegged to go professional. Even had a couple of lables asking her for contracts as a new country artist.

But she met Tim...and what Bonnie prized more was family even though she truly loved music and her singing....she loved Tim more. Tim was a pastor of a church... Then he resigned and went to work for the police. He made detective and did just fine through the years. Bonnie had two boys and loved them dearly....but they didn't have her talent for music...desire but no talent. Even Tim liked to do quartets....but the boys don't really care for it the way Bonnie does.

I remember the first time I heard her sing. My socks got gone. She usually spent her time teaching children to sing and about music... Never cared for her spotlight so much... But that was because she loved it too much.
She began to sing some specials from time to time....I loved to hear her.

Then came the dreaded day.
Sore throats became cancer when we seen the doc. I was there when she told me it was throat cancer. Hot mess would be an understatement of her condition. We prayed...
The whole church prayed.
Her life was on the line...her voice being gone was a foregone conclusion.
But the meds and prayers worked. I had to hold her falling out hair while she was sick during some of it.
She lived. But that beautiful voice was now a whisper...but she was alive.
We were all grateful for her living.

She slowly filled out again... Her hair came back. We really didn't notice her voice coming back as it was really slow to...

But it did.
We never thought for a minute that she would ever sing though...that takes strength that we thought was destroyed by chemo and cancer.
But Bonnie was determined. She practiced when no one could hear. She kept getting it worked out and stronger and stronger.
Then came the shock of them all one Easter morning... Bonnie took the stage as if she was going to sing for the special music that morning..... No one else. Even the choir sat down.

Oh my gosh... It was that same voice that impressed me all them years ago...strong, sweet, and absolutely beautiful.

We went nuts cheering and clapping and crying.

Hebrews. "…It is impossible for those who have tasted of Christ's goodness to fall away to ever come back because to their shame they would be crucifying him again"

Now....no one would ever think to tell Bonnie she shouldn't sing because her voice stinks and isn't any good and God let her have cancer because of her sinfulness....

The two relate perfectly. There are some things people just don't do. And this is one of them
 
Hang in there with me as this is something of a personal story and how it relates to scriptures.

I met Bonnie years ago...too many to count.

Bonnie and her sister look a lot alike... Theresa was always more "fun" and didn't bother so much with college. Bonnie studied music though. She was quite good. Her voice and looks had her pegged to go professional. Even had a couple of lables asking her for contracts as a new country artist.

But she met Tim...and what Bonnie prized more was family even though she truly loved music and her singing....she loved Tim more. Tim was a pastor of a church... Then he resigned and went to work for the police. He made detective and did just fine through the years. Bonnie had two boys and loved them dearly....but they didn't have her talent for music...desire but no talent. Even Tim liked to do quartets....but the boys don't really care for it the way Bonnie does.

I remember the first time I heard her sing. My socks got gone. She usually spent her time teaching children to sing and about music... Never cared for her spotlight so much... But that was because she loved it too much.
She began to sing some specials from time to time....I loved to hear her.

Then came the dreaded day.
Sore throats became cancer when we seen the doc. I was there when she told me it was throat cancer. Hot mess would be an understatement of her condition. We prayed...
The whole church prayed.
Her life was on the line...her voice being gone was a foregone conclusion.
But the meds and prayers worked. I had to hold her falling out hair while she was sick during some of it.
She lived. But that beautiful voice was now a whisper...but she was alive.
We were all grateful for her living.

She slowly filled out again... Her hair came back. We really didn't notice her voice coming back as it was really slow to...

But it did.
We never thought for a minute that she would ever sing though...that takes strength that we thought was destroyed by chemo and cancer.
But Bonnie was determined. She practiced when no one could hear. She kept getting it worked out and stronger and stronger.
Then came the shock of them all one Easter morning... Bonnie took the stage as if she was going to sing for the special music that morning..... No one else. Even the choir sat down.

Oh my gosh... It was that same voice that impressed me all them years ago...strong, sweet, and absolutely beautiful.

We went nuts cheering and clapping and crying.

Hebrews. "…It is impossible for those who have tasted of Christ's goodness to fall away to ever come back because to their shame they would be crucifying him again"

Now....no one would ever think to tell Bonnie she shouldn't sing because her voice stinks and isn't any good and God let her have cancer because of her sinfulness....

The two relate perfectly. There are some things people just don't do. And this is one of them

I loved the story John, thank you. I just can't get your application. Could you please explain a little further? Thanks.
 
That was beautiful Brother JohnDB. My question is the result of God's work in her as He took her into, and then delivered her through the afflictions. Do you even think she can yet fathom the reality of the blessing this has done for her here, and then on into eternity. To me it is the testimonies such as this glorifying everything God is doing as He conforms us into the very image of Jesus.
 
I loved the story John, thank you. I just can't get your application. Could you please explain a little further? Thanks.

Hebrews 6:4

John, I guess I'm still at the loss Chopper was at, even with you giving the verse. When I read it in context with Hebrews 6:1-8 having to do with falling away after experiencing God's goodness, I need help seeing the application. Are you saying that people who witnessed her ordeal and recovery could not deny what God had done? If so, that doesn't seem like it would apply here to this chapter in Hebrews. I could be wrong.

Not trying to rain on your celebration. It was indeed a wonderful story! I just need more.
 
That it would be impossible for me or anyone else who knew Bonnie's story to tell her mean things by action or words about her singing...

And is the intent of the Hebrews 6:4 passage.

We can't tell Christ by action or words that his Salvation he provided for us isn't any good.
 
I'm at work and kinda limited as to how much time I got but...

If you can't relate the sentiments I have both to Bonnie about her singing and Christ's and the Holy Spirit's working in my life...
Find the narrow path... Search for it a little harder. Taste the goodness and see.

I know that I could never miss an opportunity to listen to Bonnie singing and am jealous of Tim in that he gets to hear it anytime... And I would never dream of doing anything to hurt our relationship... If I did I don't think I could ever look her in her face again...

The same goes for Jesus... He is our everything. And his goal...his love is my salvation. How can I ever try to think about undoing that?
 
That it would be impossible for me or anyone else who knew Bonnie's story to tell her mean things by action or words about her singing...

And is the intent of the Hebrews 6:4 passage.

We can't tell Christ by action or words that his Salvation he provided for us isn't any good.
I agree with others about not seeing any connection between your story and Heb 6:4-6.

Please explain the parallels. They may be obvious to some, but not me.

You ended with this:
"Now....no one would ever think to tell Bonnie she shouldn't sing because her voice stinks and isn't any good and God let her have cancer because of her sinfulness…."

Does this mean that her voice didn't come back as before, or what? And what does cancer, which isn't necessarily connected to one's sinfulness, have to do with those in Hebrews who were considering, or had already returned to the animal sacrifices of the Law, after believing in Christ and His sacrifice for their sins?

Thanks.
 
I agree with others about not seeing any connection between your story and Heb 6:4-6.

Please explain the parallels. They may be obvious to some, but not me.

You ended with this:
"Now....no one would ever think to tell Bonnie she shouldn't sing because her voice stinks and isn't any good and God let her have cancer because of her sinfulness…."

Does this mean that her voice didn't come back as before, or what? And what does cancer, which isn't necessarily connected to one's sinfulness, have to do with those in Hebrews who were considering, or had already returned to the animal sacrifices of the Law, after believing in Christ and His sacrifice for their sins?

Thanks.
Just did seconds before you posted.
 
Some of us have with Jesus a "fellowship of suffering" .
Bonnie's trials with her life and music talents relate in that we both felt the pain of loss and struggle... Suffering if you will.
When Jesus triumphs over sin and death in anyone's life....we cheer and cry and whoop and holler. Especially when it's plain and obvious as to the job He has done in their lives...as well as our own.

And thoughts of discounting that work don't ever enter our minds....it is impossible.
 
The same goes for Jesus... He is our everything. And his goal...his love is my salvation. How can I ever try to think about undoing that?
I don't think Christians who end up rebelling even think about these things. When they rebel, it's because they are so self focused and centered. It's all about them. No one else. Especially God.

Sometimes, they get mad at God for something that happens to them or someone close to them. Sometimes, it's something that they can't wrap their head around in Scripture. Like Charles Templeton, the evangelist who mentored Billy Graham. Because he couldn't explain the age of the earth from science with what he thought was a young earth from Genesis 1, he lost his faith and died an agnostic. What a waste.

Regardless of why one might rebel, I believe the Bible is very clear about eternal security. We saved by grace (Rom 11:5, Eph 2:5,8) and we are kept by that same grace (Titus 3:7, 1 Pet 5:10).
 
I don't think Christians who end up rebelling even think about these things. When they rebel, it's because they are so self focused and centered. It's all about them. No one else. Especially God.

Sometimes, they get mad at God for something that happens to them or someone close to them. Sometimes, it's something that they can't wrap their head around in Scripture. Like Charles Templeton, the evangelist who mentored Billy Graham. Because he couldn't explain the age of the earth from science with what he thought was a young earth from Genesis 1, he lost his faith and died an agnostic. What a waste.

Regardless of why one might rebel, I believe the Bible is very clear about eternal security. We saved by grace (Rom 11:5, Eph 2:5,8) and we are kept by that same grace (Titus 3:7, 1 Pet 5:10).

It's more about identity than you are giving it credit.
I am know as a friend of Bonnie and Tim.
I can't, not be one. They helped me when I was going through a divorce and I helped her when she had her troubles... But overcame them. Hence my cheering.

Jesus is my friend. There ain't many who don't know that. I can't not be His friend. Sure I want to do better... Hey, I wish I could sing too. But it's not in my tool bag. People ask me not to try. Doesn't mean though that I can't like singing...or that I discount those that do.
 
No thistles or thorns in this story (Heb. 6:8),
just a tissue or two.
Those thistles and thorns were kept in there place.
Can we ignore the thistles and thorns, only with a lot of help from the Spirit, who was obviously there throughout,
but we must leave them to harvest time (Mat. 13:30, 40-43)

Note: This is the world (Mat 13:38) not the Church.

Thank you John, what a blessing, what a testimony,
May God be glorified
 
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How can I say thanks
for all the things you have done for me
Things so undeserved
Yet you gave to prove your love for me
And the voices of a million angels
Could not express my gratitude
All that I am and ever hope to be
I owe it all to Thee

(Chorus)
To God be the glory
To God be the glory
To God be the glory
For the things He has done
With His blood, He has saved me
With His power, He has raised me.
To God be the glory
For the things he has done

(Bridge)
Just let me live my life
Let it be pleasing, Lord to Thee
Should I gain any praise,
Let it go to Calvary.

With His blood, He has saved me
With His power, He has raised me.
To God be the glory
For the things he has done.
 
Beautiful testimony of her faith and endurance that made her whole again. She could have very well cursed God for what was taken from her, but she chose to stand in the Holy place that is her faith in Christ and never gave up and instead of others saying she no longer had a beautiful singing voice and would probably tell her to give that up she persisted in the promises of God as He healed her voice to that which it once was.
 
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How can I say thanks
for all the things you have done for me
Things so undeserved
Yet you gave to prove your love for me
And the voices of a million angels
Could not express my gratitude
All that I am and ever hope to be
I owe it all to Thee

(Chorus)
To God be the glory
To God be the glory
To God be the glory
For the things He has done
With His blood, He has saved me
With His power, He has raised me.
To God be the glory
For the things he has done

(Bridge)
Just let me live my life
Let it be pleasing, Lord to Thee
Should I gain any praise,
Let it go to Calvary.

With His blood, He has saved me
With His power, He has raised me.
To God be the glory
For the things he has done.

Amen, and Amen.
 
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How can I say thanks
for all the things you have done for me
Things so undeserved
Yet you gave to prove your love for me
And the voices of a million angels
Could not express my gratitude
All that I am and ever hope to be
I owe it all to Thee

(Chorus)
To God be the glory
To God be the glory
To God be the glory
For the things He has done
With His blood, He has saved me
With His power, He has raised me.
To God be the glory
For the things he has done

(Bridge)
Just let me live my life
Let it be pleasing, Lord to Thee
Should I gain any praise,
Let it go to Calvary.

With His blood, He has saved me
With His power, He has raised me.
To God be the glory
For the things he has done.

Have you ever heard this song done acapella (not sure the spelling) I can't remember the lady that sang it,but have it somewhere on CD. It just fills me with the Holy Spirit when I hear her sing it as the words are so pure and true.
 
It's more about identity than you are giving it credit.
Since I didn't see any connection between your story and Heb 6:4-6, there wasn't any identity to give credit to. Which is why I asked for clarification or explanation.

I am know as a friend of Bonnie and Tim.
I can't, not be one. They helped me when I was going through a divorce and I helped her when she had her troubles... But overcame them. Hence my cheering.
Yes, it's a great story. But what's the connection with Heb 6:4-6?

Jesus is my friend. There ain't many who don't know that. I can't not be His friend. Sure I want to do better... Hey, I wish I could sing too. But it's not in my tool bag. People ask me not to try. Doesn't mean though that I can't like singing...or that I discount those that do.
OK, it seems you're saying that those who have believed just can't really fall away. Is that the connection?
 
Not everything needs to be debated to death ....

Php_4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
 
Not everything needs to be debated to death ....

Php_4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Yes. I'm trying to understand why this thread is in the A&T forum exactly. I haven't quite figured it out either. Would it be better in the Testimonies forum perhaps?
 
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