Addiction is a disease

[stovebolts]

Is she taking it for pain or addicted to it?It is like smoking that first cigarette.You discover....I feel better,you like the high.My anxiety or stress is gone.Or you have that first drink and you notice it numbs the horrible feeling you had inside.Well,what is that horrible feeling?A mental illness?Many people like that cup of coffee when they wake up.It starts there day but many rely on one cup of coffee after another.Why do they have to have that stimulation?Why do they have to drink 10 cups of coffee a day?Do they know what is going to happen if they go cold turkey off that coffee?Instead of admitting that underneath all of that addiction there is a serious problem.Maybe you know deep down inside but do not want to admit it.You are in denial.Along with that comes a whole lot of prayer for God to guide you and direct you.But if you are in denial how is God going to help you?

Well said.
Physical and emotional pain share the same neurological opioid receptors. For a person with more opioid receptors, they won't like the feeling they get from vicoden or any other opiat and are at very low risk of getting mentally addicted. This is not to say they can't become physically dependant. What this means, is if they become physically dependant, once they quit and go through the physical withdrawl, they won't have the mental craving.
For somebody with limited neurological opioid receptors, they welcome the opiates and these, are who we are defining as an addict because they are the ones who have an extremely difficult time staying clean because of their natural defenciency of opioid receptors. Basically, the less receptors, the stronger the emotional urge.
The more opium they take, the more opioid receptors that shut down, thud an increase in the craving and the less rational they become.
This is drug addiction 101 and I should have thought to post this earlier.

 

[Gary]

The more opium they take, the more opioid receptors that shut down, thud an increase in the craving and the less rational they become. This is drug addiction 101...

The more they choose to take...

Nobody wakes up to find they're suddenly addicted to opium without ever having smoked it. It doesn't happen. The same can be said for any addiction.
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[Kathi]

The more they choose to take...

Nobody wakes up to find they're suddenly addicted to opium without ever having smoked it. It doesn't happen. The same can be said for any addiction.
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What makes them seek it?

 

[jeff77]

There was a lot of Hellfire and Brimstone preaching, lol. That much I remember. That and that addiction is a sin issue ("life controlling behavior"), not a disease.

Ok, but did they ever say that there is hope that the cravings for drugs would go away over time? The testimonies that I have read on their website seem to indicate that they are free from that.

 

[Kathi]

There was a lot of Hellfire and Brimstone preaching, lol. That much I remember. That and that addiction is a sin issue ("life controlling behavior"), not a disease.

They are wrong.That is one reason I do not attend a Church.A lot of bad information.

 

[Gary]

What makes them seek it?

There's a variety of reasons. Boredom, curiosity, stress, etc. When I used to get high, I did it for the high and no other reason. I wanted to see what it felt like.

Why did you seek out cigarettes? I started smoking because I thought it was cool.

 

[Kathi]

There's a variety of reasons. Boredom, curiosity, stress, etc. When I used to get high, I did it for the high and no other reason. I wanted to see what it felt like.

Why did you seek out cigarettes? I started smoking because I thought it was cool.

So when that person experiments once what makes then continue?Because it makes them feel better?Why does it make them feel better?If there is nothing wrong why do they need to feel better?I am sure many experiment once and then move on and do not do it again.But why does that person continue taking that drug?Are they self medicating because their was a problem to begin with and when they take that drug it makes them feel better?What is that underlying problem?Are they afraid to admit that their could be a mental illness?

 

[stovebolts]

The more they choose to take...

Nobody wakes up to find they're suddenly addicted to opium without ever having smoked it. It doesn't happen. The same can be said for any addiction.
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Ummmm.... They don't really smoke opium products. They ingest, snort or shoot with a needle.

Actually, prescription drugs are now the #1 substance that people are getting addicted to. The Dr. Prescribed it so it must be safe.
Nobody realized them pain meds from the Dr. Is just a legal form of heroin.

So yeah.... Lots of addicts start out just obeying the Dr.

So, do you believe in impaired judgment? How does that happen? Is it possible some people are born with impaired judgment?

 

[jasonc]

Ummmm.... They don't really smoke opium products. They ingest, snort or shoot with a needle.

Actually, prescription drugs are now the #1 substance that people are getting addicted to. The Dr. Prescribed it so it must be safe.
Nobody realized them pain meds from the Dr. Is just a legal form of heroin.

So yeah.... Lots of addicts start out just obeying the Dr.

So, do you believe in impaired judgment? How does that happen? Is it possible some people are born with impaired judgment?

a predisposition. some don't get ptsd and others do from their time in country.

 

[Kathi]

Ummmm.... They don't really smoke opium products. They ingest, snort or shoot with a needle.

Actually, prescription drugs are now the #1 substance that people are getting addicted to. The Dr. Prescribed it so it must be safe.
Nobody realized them pain meds from the Dr. Is just a legal form of heroin.

So yeah.... Lots of addicts start out just obeying the Dr.

So, do you believe in impaired judgment? How does that happen? Is it possible some people are born with impaired judgment?

I know a couple of really tragic cases of people being addicted to prescription drugs.Then when they can't get those any more they go to the hard stuff.The best physician is going to be very careful when handing out narcotics.No refills.
A brain injury can produce "impaired judgment".That can happen at birth or later in life for some reason.

 

[Gary]

Ummmm.... They don't really smoke opium products. They ingest, snort or shoot with a needle.

Have you never heard of opium dens?

Opium has been smoked for thousands of years. As a matter of fact, it is the most common practice used by opium users.

Google "Smoking Opium".

Actually, prescription drugs are now the #1 substance that people are getting addicted to. The Dr. Prescribed it so it must be safe.
Nobody realized them pain meds from the Dr. Is just a legal form of heroin.

So yeah.... Lots of addicts start out just obeying the Dr.

Which brings us back to the individual having to take the drug first before they become addicted to it.

No one becomes addicted without first sampling the goods.

So, do you believe in impaired judgment? How does that happen? Is it possible some people are born with impaired judgment?

Of course it is. Down Syndrome and Autism are perfect examples of this.
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[Kathi]

Have you never heard of opium dens?

Opium has been smoked for thousands of years. As a matter of fact, it is the most common practice used by opium users.

Google "Smoking Opium".





Which brings us back to the individual having to take the drug first before they become addicted to it.

No one becomes addicted without first sampling the goods.





Of course it is. Down Syndrome and Autism are perfect examples of this.
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There are many with Autism with a very sharp judgment.

 

[Gary]

There are many with Autism with a very sharp judgment.

And many more who don't.
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[Kathi]

Have you never heard of opium dens?

Opium has been smoked for thousands of years. As a matter of fact, it is the most common practice used by opium users.

Google "Smoking Opium".





Which brings us back to the individual having to take the drug first before they become addicted to it.

No one becomes addicted without first sampling the goods.





Of course it is. Down Syndrome and Autism are perfect examples of this.
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Yes,opium can be smoked and has been for years.My dad was on vice and I remember him talking about this.

 

[Kathi]

And many more who don't.
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It just depends.I have seen many without a brain injury who had no apparent judgment at all.

 

[KevinK]

I know a couple of really tragic cases of people being addicted to prescription drugs.Then when they can't get those any more they go to the hard stuff.The best physician is going to be very careful when handing out narcotics.No refills.
A brain injury can produce "impaired judgment".That can happen at birth or later in life for some reason.

Wow...do you know me? I am addicted to prescription pain medications (Oxycodone, Norco, and Tramadol). I did not want to start using opiates, this situation was imposed on me from a car accident (and I was not the driver). I also know I can stop whenver I choose. I know this because I have done it...twice. Opiate withdrawal is very, very bad, by the way.

As far as impaired judgment, yes, got that, too. It was a frontal TBI, notorious for compromising the brain's self-control abilities. I have a criminal record because of it.

On the other hand, all of this caused me to turn to the Lord in a big way. Between this and my OBE, maybe I'll be on the right path when it all shakes down.

 

[stovebolts]

Gary
Your just a little out of touch with the conversation. Last I checked, we've been talking about the good old USA and honestly, I don't know one opiate addict who ever smoked heroin, vicoden, percocet, oxycontin, roxycontin or any other opiate including morphine.

Just to bring you up to speed, opiates are pain killers and currently the USA has more addicts using prescription drugs and dying from them than all the illegal drugs combined.

Most opiate addicts started with a legit injury and a legit prescription.

I'm glad you recognise autism and down syndrome as mental impairments. But so is ADD and ADHD as well as chronic depression. Addiction, when diagnosed properly falls into the realm of mental disorders.

Yes, choice can be a factor, but all to often all the facts are not known. Most don't know vicoden is an opiate, just like heroin. And there are many more.

But just as there are mental illness which impares ones ability to reason, addiction is also a disease which impares ones ability to reason.

I do hope you and others have the ability to see this.

 

[stovebolts]

Wow...do you know me? I am addicted to prescription pain medications (Oxycodone, Norco, and Tramadol). I did not want to start using opiates, this situation was imposed on me from a car accident (and I was not the driver). I also know I can stop whenver I choose. I know this because I have done it...twice. Opiate withdrawal is very, very bad, by the way.

As far as impaired judgment, yes, got that, too. It was a frontal TBI, notorious for compromising the brain's self-control abilities. I have a criminal record because of it.

On the other hand, all of this caused me to turn to the Lord in a big way. Between this and my OBE, maybe I'll be on the right path when it all shakes down.

Wow, God must have sent you! Thank you for your testimony. There are many out there like you.

 

[jasonc]

Gary
Your just a little out of touch with the conversation. Last I checked, we've been talking about the good old USA and honestly, I don't know one opiate addict who ever smoked heroin, vicoden, percocet, oxycontin, roxycontin or any other opiate including morphine.

Just to bring you up to speed, opiates are pain killers and currently the USA has more addicts using prescription drugs and dying from them than all the illegal drugs combined.

Most opiate addicts started with a legit injury and a legit prescription.

I'm glad you recognise autism and down syndrome as mental impairments. But so is ADD and ADHD as well as chronic depression. Addiction, when diagnosed properly falls into the realm of mental disorders.

Yes, choice can be a factor, but all to often all the facts are not known. Most don't know vicoden is an opiate, just like heroin. And there are many more.

But just as there are mental illness which impares ones ability to reason, addiction is also a disease which impares ones ability to reason.

a coworker who got addicted to oxy via prescription. that is why its label danger drug may be addictive. I also have lost friends from that
addiction.

 

[Gary]

Gary
Your just a little out of touch with the conversation. Last I checked, we've been talking about the good old USA

Okay.

Here's what the DEA has to say regarding opium. Notice the 1st method of use.


Methods of abuse
Opium can be smoked, intravenously injected, or taken in pill form. Opium is also abused in combination with other
drugs. For example, “Black” is a combination of marijuana, opium, and methamphetamine, and “Buddha” is potent
marijuana spiked with opium.

http://www.dea.gov/druginfo/drug_data_sheets/Opium.pdf

and honestly, I don't know one opiate addict who ever smoked heroin, vicoden, percocet, oxycontin, roxycontin or any other opiate including morphine.

I grew up in that world and I'm here to tell you, a doper will smoke anything. I've seen it, I've done it. It's as common as putting gasoline in a vehicle.

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