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Addiction is a disease

Malachi Here is something else to consider. The 'war on drugs' hasn't solved the problem. If anything, it's put a larger strain on our prison system and local / state economy.
Agreed. The war on drugs was a total failure.

Research shows that if you can help a person with addiction get and stay clean, they stop stealing. Why? Because they don't need to find that next fix. Crime actually drops and the addict can now get a job and support themselves. (Ephesians 4) As a result, they become viable contributing members of society.
You would agree that this is a behavioral change, and that's what I'm getting at.

We treat cancer with medical funding and we treat mental illness with medical funding. Why do you think the insurance companies don't want addiction to be deemed as a disease? Of course, they don't want to take on the cost of actually helping these people.
Cancer and mental illness can be traced back to malfunctioning cells or a disability or malfunction of the nervous system. But addiction of any kind is different:
Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance or engages in an activity that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work, relationships, or health.
Here "pleasurable" and "compulsive" are the key words. And Scripture speaks of "enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season" (Heb 11:25). So now we have a spiritual problem, not an organic disease. And there is only one remedy for spiritual problems -- Christ and His blood and righteousness.

An addict can truly be helped by telling him/her that they have a spiritual problem, which needs a spiritual solution. It does not matter whether it is a substance or an activity. Only Christ can set them free.
 
And I see you know very little about addiction as well...
You probably think if they experience enough suffering for their bad choices, they'll get their life straight huh?

You have no idea about my past why would you say a thing like that?

tob
 
Im not fully out yet stove, iv beat one addiction, working on a second and the third one im like using to fight the others.

You have play dirty, because addictions don't play fair.
I'm sorry to hear that and your right, addictions don't play fair.
Raj Mehta is making a huge difference with addiction in Michigan state. His goal is a 1 to 10 kill rate. In other words, he only wants to loose one addict out of 10 to death. It's a tall order, but he's well on his way.
He wrote this book. He's real... he is a recovering addict himself from the streets of Detroit. He's the real deal. Got clean and got his masters with I think a 4.0 and is a very influential counselor. He has two facebook pages, he rocks.
Here is his workbook. http://www.amazon.com/Underground-R...545&sr=1-1&keywords=underground+recovery+book

This is his site. You can listen to his sessions and read portions of the book for free.

http://serenityhelp.com/

God bless you!
 
You have no idea about my past why would you say a thing like that?

tob
I'm sorry to hear that and your right, addictions don't play fair.
Raj Mehta is making a huge difference with addiction in Michigan state. His goal is a 1 to 10 kill rate. In other words, he only wants to loose one addict out of 10 to death. It's a tall order, but he's well on his way.
He wrote this book. He's real... he is a recovering addict himself from the streets of Detroit. He's the real deal. Got clean and got his masters with I think a 4.0 and is a very influential counselor. He has two facebook pages, he rocks.
Here is his workbook. http://www.amazon.com/Underground-Recovery-Book-%22How-Using%22/dp/0967399696/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1420048545&sr=1-1&keywords=underground recovery book

This is his site. You can listen to his sessions and read portions of the book for free.

http://serenityhelp.com/

God bless you!
Thanks ill look at that.
 
Sounds a lot like..

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

The cure is Jesus Christ..

tob

Yes He is the cure... as far as addiction being a disease i still bounce that back and forth

Jesus is the cure for sure.. and i am very thankful for chemo therapy
 
Malichi said:
Cancer and mental illness can be traced back to malfunctioning cells or a disability or malfunction of the nervous system. But addiction of any kind is different:
Don't confuse drug abuse with addiction and don't confuse addiction with withdrawl symptoms. It's a very common mistake.
Addiction is just like mental illness. MRI scans show that addictive brains have less white matter. The study was done on those who abused drugs to feed their addiction and those who didn't, but were addicted to things such as gambling and sex.
Addiction does carry a physical aspect.
Malichi said:
An addict can truly be helped by telling him/her that they have a spiritual problem, which needs a spiritual solution. It does not matter whether it is a substance or an activity. Only Christ can set them free.
While I agree that there is a spiritual aspect, there is also a physical aspect as well. You treat the disease holistically. Mind, body and soul.
 
You have no idea about my past why would you say a thing like that?

tob
I probably said that a little harsh huh? Sorry brother, didn't mean to come across that way. My bad.
I'm trying to get at the physical aspect of addiction and from that view, it is a disease just like mental illness. Like I said to Malichi, yes, we have to deal holistically and that means we have to treat the spirit, but this doesn't just apply to addicts, it applies to the whole human race.
 
Out of curiosity, would you say that addiction can extend beyond drugs and other things? Would you say anything is capable of becoming an unhealthy obsession, and thus an actual addiction?
I'm asking because a few years ago I was extremely obsessed with something completely innocent. It lead to severe depression and suicidal thoughts, which were definitely linked to and affected by the obsession. Definitely the worst thing I ever went through in my life.
 
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I think what I'm seeing is a misconception of what the disease is. Yes, it is physical and its also emotional.
We all experience depression and honestly, some things are worthy of depression. That's part of being human. But some humans are more prone to depression because of the way their minds function. The addictive mind is the same.
If you give an addict sex, they will want more sex. Gambling? more gambling. Work? more work. It's all about more. It's the way they are wired and part of that plays into experience, especially at a very young age.
Laboratory tests can create addicts by depravation or high levels of stress. Create them when they are young, and you've got an addict that craves a sense of belonging so desperately, he'll find it at the end of a heroin needle because the endorphin recepticals respond the same to affection and love as they do to a dose of heroin or other opiate.
Studies showed that heroin addiction in Vietnam was very high, but then so was the stress. When they came back, most kicked heroin with only the physical withdrawl. Those that kept the addiction were traced back to broken families and prior drug abuse as children.
Funny how that works. As the body of Christ, if we embrace these people and show them genuine affection, we take the place of the alternative means in which they experience those same endorphins.
 
Yes He is the cure... as far as addiction being a disease i still bounce that back and forth

Jesus is the cure for sure.. and i am very thankful for chemo therapy
Hello reba,

What do you mean by Jesus is the cure and your thankful for chemo therapy.
 
Out of curiosity, would you say that addiction can extend beyond drugs and other things? Would you say anything is capable of becoming an unhealthy obsession, and thus an actual addiction?
I'm asking because a few years ago I was extremely obsessed with something completely innocent. It lead to severe depression and suicidal thoughts, which were definitely linked to and affected by the obsession. Definitely the worst thing I ever went through in my life.
Yes, addiction isn't just drugs. It's a state of mind in connection with the state of the body. The difference between addiction and passion, is that you will continue with a behavior at the cost of something else. Passion on the other hand helps all the way around.
Example: Nothing wrong with sex and it's natural to have a passion for sex. Let's just admit it, sex is great. But a sex addict will ruin everything around him for sex. His marriage, finances, morals and values all crumble to his behavior. That's addiction.
 
I'm asking because a few years ago I was extremely obsessed with something completely innocent.
"Obsession" would be a good synonym for "addiction", and as I mentioned it applies to substances or activities. The key words are "pleasurable" and "compulsive".
 
Well I am an addict and I can tell you chemicals seem more powerful than prayer. I prayed for 13 years for recovery and I did everything else I could do to escape, but the addiction kept catching up with me. Prayer wasn't effective because it couldn't remove the chemicals that the addiction lived on and secondly it couldn't replace the chemicals that my brain needed to keep my brain functioning normally. The only thing pray did was give me a temporary coping mechanism at times but after 13 years I just quit praying and did something about it.
Something a lot of people, especially non-christians as yourself don't realize is that God never said he will heal everybody of everything. What he does promise is that things will work our for good for those who love Him. "Good" doesn't always mean "miraculously instantly healed". We (Christians) are certainly told we can (and even should) ask for it, but we are not told that every one of those requests will be answered in exactly the way we want it to be. God is not our robot. The apostle Paul himself had a physical affliction that he wished God would heal, but God never did. If God wouldn't do it for Paul, why would he be "required" to do it for anyone else. Many times God has reasons for these type of things that are well beyond our understanding so He doesn't explain Himself to us about it.

When Jesus healed people, He told them it was their faith in God that healed them. But most times God intends for us to use the resources He has made available to us, such as skilled doctors, proper use of drugs, resisting harmful use of substances, or whatever is appropriate for the situation. You have made it clear in posts elsewhere that you do not have faith in God so at this time I have to agree with you that prayer (faithless prayer) will certainly not be any more powerful than the chemicals within your body. Until and unless you come to have that faith in God, you are right, you need to rely on other methods for your healing, and I give you a ton of credit and respect for doing so and working to have success at that! Don't get me wrong, I know God CAN heal people, even to the point of making something (a harmful chemical in your body, for example) completely disappear into nothing. While that seems impossible to a rational mind, I've personally witnessed it happen. But even for those with faith in God, He doesn't always do that. When He does do something like that, His reason and goal is to somehow bring glory to himself and to testify of His power to us. It's not really just about making a person feel better. So don't let yourself think that because your prayers didn't bring about an instant healing of your addictions that God doesn't have enough power to do that, or that He isn't real. It's just that God is our God and we are intended to be His servants, not the other way around.
 
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"Obsession" would be a good synonym for "addiction", and as I mentioned it applies to substances or activities. The key words are "pleasurable" and "compulsive".
While I understand your viewpoint, and within the context, I even agree, it does not address the medical condition played out as addiction.

A child needs nurturing. You and I need nurturing. Its in the very essence of who we are. Desiring affection is not wrong, but for so many, that need was never addressed. That need to feel love, never occurred. It creates emotional pain which chemically share the same brain connections as physical pain. As such, addicts become isolated well before a drug isolates them further.

Opiates fill this emptyness and by doing so, the problem gets worse. Receptors close and the addict will struggle all day to find money and his drug for 5 minutes of that warm glow. That feeling of peace and tranquility.

The basic need to feel love and joy is so strong within us, an addict will kill himself seeking it.
 
From one addict, it ain't no disease. I was addicted to Booze, to Drugs, to Sex and an assortment of other things. And until I was ready to correct the issues, there was no cure. I knew a couple that went through a two year program where they had no choice but to be clean. As soon as they graduated they rented a house across the street and before they paid the second months rent, they were at my Home getting smacked.

Programs work for about eigthy to eighty-five percent of the people that want to be clean and are fed up with themselves. From 1966 until late 1989, I did not want to be clean but the very moment I wanted to be clean and I called on God, I was and I am clean of all of it. People on the outside postulate much foolishness.
 
As parents we can do all we know to do to show love & acceptance. All the nurturing we do all the sacrifices we make all those good things. .... May not fill the the needs of some kids...

there is something not right.... Just as some one, through no fault of the parents, can have deficiency in some other form why not a chemical imbalance ?
 
The basic need to feel love and joy is so strong within us, an addict will kill himself seeking it.
No one who thinks about this carefully can call the "the basic need to feel love and joy" an addiction. God has place that hunger in every human heart. So the solution for this type of need would be for Christians to provide the love and care to addicts so that they do not turn to destructive addictions. Eventually this should lead them to Christ.
 
From one addict, it ain't no disease. I was addicted to Booze, to Drugs, to Sex and an assortment of other things. And until I was ready to correct the issues, there was no cure. I knew a couple that went through a two year program where they had no choice but to be clean. As soon as they graduated they rented a house across the street and before they paid the second months rent, they were at my Home getting smacked.

Programs work for about eigthy to eighty-five percent of the people that want to be clean and are fed up with themselves. From 1966 until late 1989, I did not want to be clean but the very moment I wanted to be clean and I called on God, I was and I am clean of all of it. People on the outside postulate much foolishness.

Back to my Chemo... not every form of chemo is right for every person or cancer .... In other words what works for one may not work for another.. Praise God you did not need chemo Praise God He had chemo for me..
 
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