Advice to a suicidal

[humble soul]

Sure - it'll really help to make them feel WORSE that they already do. It wouldn't have helped me at all - I DIDN'T CARE.

Care to talk about that incident more Bob?

 

[humble soul]

Yes there is hope you just have to stay with them until they see it. I wasn"t doing this from a church
One night I stayed up with a young man from 10pm until 8am the next morning, we got thete in the end. God is marvellous.

I knew you were a lifesaver Tessa. That's your forte!

 

[humble soul]

A suicidal person is not in a state of mind to consider the consequences of their action. They are in pain. They want to end their pain. The only solution it seems to them is ending their life. Maybe they've tried the pain killer drug abuse route and it was too temporary.
They only see a future of daily pain and suffering. That's the key. The prospect of more and more of what they are suffering now.

 

[humble soul]

I would say people like my father never contemplated suicide. Maybe it was the Depression era generation that toughened them. I don't think my father was ever a person to ask himself "Am I happy?"

 

[humble soul]

I had a cousin on both sides of my family commit suicide. Both were around 30 years of age. Neither had girlfriends. Both had alcohol issues. One just had to stop drinking. Once he started he couldn't stop. The other guy was stuck in an awful bank managerjob. Getting transferred every 1 or 2 years at their whim. One drank weedkiller poison. Must have been an horrific scene as he was on a farm and the family witnessed it.
I liked both these guys. They were very humble. Very approachable. Not status conscious. Though I suspect they compared themselves to more "normal" members of their family. More boring members if you ask me. Anyway.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Care to talk about that incident more Bob?

It wasn't really an "Incident", but only a "Life condition" - the accumulation of MANY incidents, and a Depressive nature - failure to get through High school, which everybody told me would mean my future was hopeless, the disappointment that I'd already caused my family who'd wanted me to enter M.I.T. (which was never going to happen). My future yawning ahead with no job, rejection by a gal that I had feeling for, a nervoius breakdown some experience with Thorazene (nasty stuff), no interest, and, of course my natural Depressive nature that let me know there was really no sense in continuing.

I left home (Boston) to go to Houston (which was supposed to be the land of opportunity) to make things better, but since the problem was ME, and I brought myself along, I finally realized that there was no place that made any difference, and EXCEPT for the Fear of eternity (courtesy of my Aunt) there was nothing keeping me going. NOTHING to look forward to - just nothing.

And then the fellow I was sharing an apartment with in Houston, got born again. I could SEE IT in his face - JOY, Peace 1000 miles deep, confidence that was never there before - I think he might have glowed in the dark - And I knew all the way to my toenails that HE HAD - what I wouldn't survive without.

So I made fun of him, and went to bed. But the next evening after his Wednesday Church it was still there, and in my bedroom, Holy spirit conviction fell, as he tried to "lead me to the Lord", but since he'd never cracked a bible in his LIFE, all he had was what he could remember about that the fellow who'd led HIM to the Lord the night before had said. but under Conviction I KNEW I had to make it through or I'd perish, and finally I cried out to Him to SAVE ME, and everything changed.

I was clean and new, and the utter despair and hopelessness was gone (never to return), and I was clean and pure before God. The frosting on the cake was the next morning, when I discovered that I wasn't a "Smoker" any more - a 10 year 3 pack a day habit GONE, as though it had never happened (more to that story).

 

[humble soul]

Smoker" any more - a 10 year 3 pack a day habit GONE,

I did 20 years. Up to 2 packs sometimes.

 

[jasonc]

A suicidal person is not in a state of mind to consider the consequences of their action. They are in pain. They want to end their pain. The only solution it seems to them is ending their life. Maybe they've tried the pain killer drug abuse route and it was too temporary.
They only see a future of daily pain and suffering. That's the key. The prospect of more and more of what they are suffering now.

a person is suicidal for a brief period .

 

[Quantrill]

Yes there is hope you just have to stay with them until they see it. I wasn"t doing this from a church
One night I stayed up with a young man from 10pm until 8am the next morning, we got thete in the end. God is marvellous.

Glory to God and good for you. They must have someone to turn to.

When this occurs (suicide) to someone you know, we must ask, did I leave the way open for him to come to me, or did I make it so he couldn't come to me? Intentional or not doesn't matter. Was the way open.

I'm sure that when this happens to a loved one, those left behind will ask, 'why didn't he come to me'? And that is what we have to ask ourselves too. Why didn't he?

We must leave the way open so that they will feel no matter what it is they are wrestling with, they can come to us with it. No matter what.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

a person is suicidal for a brief period .

And in that brief period they kill themselves.

Quantrill

 

[humble soul]

And in that brief period they kill themselves.

Quantrill

They can. That's for sure.
We never find out if people regret suiciding. We only get some data from attempted suicides. I think some of them only regret failing.

 

[humble soul]

Glory to God and good for you. They must have someone to turn to.

When this occurs (suicide) to someone you know, we must ask, did I leave the way open for him to come to me, or did I make it so he couldn't come to me? Intentional or not doesn't matter. Was the way open.

I'm sure that when this happens to a loved one, those left behind will ask, 'why didn't he come to me'? And that is what we have to ask ourselves too. Why didn't he?

We must leave the way open so that they will feel no matter what it is they are wrestling with, they can come to us with it. No matter what.

Quantrill

Nice post Quantrill.

 

[Tessa]

A suicidal person is not in a state of mind to consider the consequences of their action. They are in pain. They want to end their pain. The only solution it seems to them is ending their life. Maybe they've tried the pain killer drug abuse route and it was too temporary.
They only see a future of daily pain and suffering. That's the key. The prospect of more and more of what they are suffering now.

So tragic humble.

 

[Susannah]

I have my own forum and there are resources for people who are suicidal. The link is below. There are two stages. Thoughts of suicide, and suicide ideation when you make up you mind to do it. Do you know what stage this person is in.

Are You Suicidal? | Love Addicts Anonymous

What to do if you are feeling suicidal.

loveaddictsanonymous.boards.net

I tried to kill myself twice. I failed because God had things for me to do, including raising two children by myself, writing four books, and founding an organization which has 7,000 members. You never know what God has in store for you, so hang in there no matter what. My best friend committed suicide and still wonder if she made it to heaven. She was in a lot of pain but still . . . I miss her.

When I think of suicide because of cluster headaches, I dismiss the thought. Then I imagine that I am a baby and Jesus is holding me. It brings me much comfort. What keeps me going is obedience. I promised him I would carry on and help him. If I were dying of cancer I might change my mind. That's how my husband died and he really suffered.

 

[Tessa]

I had a cousin on both sides of my family commit suicide. Both were around 30 years of age. Neither had girlfriends. Both had alcohol issues. One just had to stop drinking. Once he started he couldn't stop. The other guy was stuck in an awful bank managerjob. Getting transferred every 1 or 2 years at their whim. One drank weedkiller poison. Must have been an horrific scene as he was on a farm and the family witnessed it.
I liked both these guys. They were very humble. Very approachable. Not status conscious. Though I suspect they compared themselves to more "normal" members of their family. More boring members if you ask me. Anyway.

Very difficult for the family to recover.

 

[Tessa]

It wasn't really an "Incident", but only a "Life condition" - the accumulation of MANY incidents, and a Depressive nature - failure to get through High school, which everybody told me would mean my future was hopeless, the disappointment that I'd already caused my family who'd wanted me to enter M.I.T. (which was never going to happen). My future yawning ahead with no job, rejection by a gal that I had feeling for, a nervoius breakdown some experience with Thorazene (nasty stuff), no interest, and, of course my natural Depressive nature that let me know there was really no sense in continuing.

I left home (Boston) to go to Houston (which was supposed to be the land of opportunity) to make things better, but since the problem was ME, and I brought myself along, I finally realized that there was no place that made any difference, and EXCEPT for the Fear of eternity (courtesy of my Aunt) there was nothing keeping me going. NOTHING to look forward to - just nothing.

And then the fellow I was sharing an apartment with in Houston, got born again. I could SEE IT in his face - JOY, Peace 1000 miles deep, confidence that was never there before - I think he might have glowed in the dark - And I knew all the way to my toenails that HE HAD - what I wouldn't survive without.

So I made fun of him, and went to bed. But the next evening after his Wednesday Church it was still there, and in my bedroom, Holy spirit conviction fell, as he tried to "lead me to the Lord", but since he'd never cracked a bible in his LIFE, all he had was what he could remember about that the fellow who'd led HIM to the Lord the night before had said. but under Conviction I KNEW I had to make it through or I'd perish, and finally I cried out to Him to SAVE ME, and everything changed.

I was clean and new, and the utter despair and hopelessness was gone (never to return), and I was clean and pure before God. The frosting on the cake was the next morning, when I discovered that I wasn't a "Smoker" any more - a 10 year 3 pack a day habit GONE, as though it had never happened (more to that story).

Bob thank you for sharing that marvellous testimony.

 

[for_his_glory]

a person is suicidal for a brief period .

A person can be suicidal for a brief moment when the thought enters their mind and they start dwelling on it, but yet a part of them knows they really do not want to die so it becomes a battle within them self, as well I know. Contemplating is very different then actually taken action. The thoughts go through your mind as you plan on how to take your life and even visualizing going through with it, but yet there is a fiber of sense in your spirit that says that is not the answer. I went as far as making a pack with God that if He did not change that which was broken in me, then game over as I couldn't handle life anymore.

BTW, when you cry out to God and lay it all out before Him is when changes begin to happen.

 

[Tessa]

Glory to God and good for you. They must have someone to turn to.

When this occurs (suicide) to someone you know, we must ask, did I leave the way open for him to come to me, or did I make it so he couldn't come to me? Intentional or not doesn't matter. Was the way open.

I'm sure that when this happens to a loved one, those left behind will ask, 'why didn't he come to me'? And that is what we have to ask ourselves too. Why didn't he?

We must leave the way open so that they will feel no matter what it is they are wrestling with, they can come to us with it. No matter what.

Quantrill

When anyone dies you were close to it is often a question you ask yourself. Could I have done more for that person? If it was suicide there are many more questions.

 

[humble soul]

Very difficult for the family to recover.

The other cousin used carbon monoxide from his car. His body was in hospital and I was able view him. chilling stare with his mouth wide open. Will never forget.

 

[humble soul]

If you were suicidal would you:
a) reach out to a family member
b) reach out to another Christian
c) call a hotline
d) not tell anyone