After death, what then?

[for_his_glory]

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this but that is where I stand. From the scriptures you posted and it has long been my contention that the Mission Jesus was on was and is exactly what He said it was/is. Jesus came to restore the lost. Luke 19:10 For the Son of Man came to find and restore the lost.

Who and or what was lost? We know that Adam,by His action of following his wife into sin caused every man,save one, to be born removed from the presence of God the Father. (see Genesis 3) Before that fall, if we pay close attention when we read carefully and critically we see God/Jesus pretending He didn't know what had happened and did not know where they were hiding. We know and if we have studied the scriptures we know that a man, any man, lost or saved cannot even think a thing but that God knows it before you think it, He knew what they had done and where they were located.

i take the Word as literal except where it obvious that it is a parable or a metaphor and if, after the Resurrection, the coverts that turn from the Beast to God are slaughtered and are immediately their spirits are in the presence of God, why should any not consider the same is not true of the Saints of the LORD? Even Paul, in Philippians 1:21 that to live is Christ and to die is gain.
what gain is there if we are not in the presence of the Spirit, God, spiritually?

I know some talk about Soul Sleep

I really do not remember what soul sleep is as I looked it up along time ago, but do remember it is not Biblical.
I agree with all you say here, but what does it have to do with the context of 2 Corinthians 5:1-8

 

[th1b.taylor]

I didn't mean it exactly like that. I just meant that your choice to serve God is simply that, a choice. The Bible (even though it was written in there) didn't make me decide to serve the Lord and follow The Ten Commandments I did. My point was that the Bible is a book when all is said and done, and just like other books have errors now and then I belive that the Bible might too and some stuff in it just doesn't make sense to me and so I'm going to follow what I believe in my heart to be true.

No, no, no, the Bible is either perfect or it is a lie. Four times God has recorded that adding a word or subtracting a word will draw you damnation, as in He keeps His word pure. If one has not that sort of faith I'm not sure they are saved because that is the faith it takes too turn everything over to an unseen God. And that is my experience. Until I had reason to believe I did not, however, when I first believed, with absolute certainty, only then did the Holy Spirit break my heart and bringing me to repent and be saved. The entirety of scripture is either true or not a word of it is.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I really do not remember what soul sleep is as I looked it up along time ago, but do remember it is not Biblical.
I agree with all you say here, but what does it have to do with the context of 2 Corinthians 5:1-8

Some use the last line of that passage v.8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.I did not realize I had lost that in the post because I lost everything just as it posted, sorry.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well,.. let me ask you a question. Does everything you belive have to be analyzed? The Bible states that no human (except for Jesus Christ) is perfect. There's a pretty good chance some minor mistakes were made. I'm a Christian because I belive it in my heart, not because a book tells me to. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing the Bible one bit. I believe it to be the greatest story ever told and a story of hope. But if the Bible told you to wear a monkey on your head would you? Without any explanation at all. Would you just do it because it's in the Bible, or would you follow your beliefs?

It doesn't need to be analyzed, but what I believe has to line up with what God has already spoken as all truth comes by His Spirit (Holy Spirit)

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

No, no, no, the Bible is either perfect or it is a lie. Four times god has recorded that adding a word or subtracting a word will draw you damnation, as in He keeps His word pure. If one has not that sort of faith I'm not sure they are saved because that is the faith it takes too turn everything over to an unseen God. And that is my experience. Until I had reason to believe I did not, however, when I first believed, with absolute certainty, only then did the Holy Spirit break my heart and bringing me to repent and be saved. The entirety of scripture is either true or not a word of it is.

So are you saying because I don't believe exactly what you believe about the Bible then I'm not a Christian and I'm going to Hell? Because I do believe that is against the rules.

 

[th1b.taylor]

So are you saying because I don't believe exactly what you believe about the Bible then I'm not a Christian and I'm going to Hell? Because I do believe that is against the rules.

No, that is between you and God that it made you react that way is worrisome, maybe, I don't know, that is between you and God, strictly. My job, outline in Matt. 7 is to clean m act up and to then to be discerning (judge) who I decide with whom I align myself with. That you are having this knee-jerk reaction may or may not need to look into but me, I know not what.

 

[for_his_glory]

I didn't mean it exactly like that. I just meant that your choice to serve God is simply that, a choice. The Bible (even though it was written in there) didn't make me decide to serve the Lord and follow The Ten Commandments I did. My point was that the Bible is a book when all is said and done, and just like other books have errors now and then I belive that the Bible might too and some stuff in it just doesn't make sense to me and so I'm going to follow what I believe in my heart to be true.

There are a lot of things that makes no sense to me in the Bible, but I have to take it all by faith in Christ and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal those things that make no sense and He always will give you truth for God's word will never come back void. Our carnal mind can not perceive he things of the Spirit as the flesh is enmity against the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2: 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well,.. sort of. I believe in the Bible for the most part, but I believe that a caring, loving God wouldn't send somebody to Hell if they had a different religion or belife. Simply because, I believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. And unless they are pure evil, then I believe that they will go to Heaven. I don't like forcing my beliefs on anyone, but it seems like since I've got here, everyone has tried to force their beliefs on me.

I'm not being mean here and please do not take it that way. You say you believe in the Bible for the most part, but the underlining is that you know not what God says about sinners is that we are all sinners saved by Gods grace through faith which is Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:8. Not every seemingly good person has faith nor do they even have fellowship with the God of all creation. It's a sad reality, but a true fact, not because I say it is, but that God says it is.

 

[for_his_glory]

Some use the last line of that passage v.8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.I did not realize I had lost that in the post because I lost everything just as it posted, sorry.

No problem Bill

 

[ezra]

So are you saying because I don't believe exactly what you believe about the Bible then I'm not a Christian and I'm going to Hell? Because I do believe that is against the rules.

easy no body has said that .to tell someone they are going to hell is not our judgement.. here is a couple scriptures we all need to be reminded of
1 Corinthians 11:28

“But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.”
Isaiah 8:20

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

so all our belief must line up with scriptures . we all see some scripture in a different way . some are so far out not sure they can make it to home plate. some just see it just a bit different

 

[Jim Parker]

I believe that a caring, loving God wouldn't send somebody to Hell if they had a different religion or belife.

God has done everything necessary for everyone who has ever lived, lives now, and will ever live to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Those who do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven do not because they have made a choice not to.
That choice may be a blanket choice to reject all religions except the dominant religion of one's culture. (Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Socialism, or, for the USA, paganism and materialism <AKA: "Mammon">)
There is only one alternative to being united to God in Christ; it is being separated from God. That is hell.
It is God's will that no one be separated from Him but He does not impose His will on us. He gives us the free will to choose to love and honor Him or to reject Him.

What you choose to believe about a god of your imagination is irrelevant to God's self-revelation which we find in the assembly of documents we call "the Bible." It is a common error among those who want to pick and choose what they will believe about what God has revealed of Himself that they create their own imaginary God and substitute that imaginary being for the reality of the God of scripture and then proceed to reject anything is God's self-revelation that does not coincide with the description of their imaginary God.

If you think that God is mean then you have not understood the scriptures.

Here's what God said about who gets eternal life ("heaven") and who gets "hell."
John 5:28-29 (NKJV) … the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth
—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,
and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

People who have made it their practice to do acts of mercy and love get to hang out for eternity with the perfect, merciful, lover of mankind: God.
People who have made it their practice to do evil get to hang out for eternity with the author of evil; the devil.

Pick one.


iakov the fool

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Here's just a quick note; I am not listening anymore. I am who I am and I believe. So in other words, deal with it. If you still want to be friends and that you will like me for who I am then great. If not, keep your opinions to yourself and please leave me alone. Thank you.

 

[Jim Parker]

The entirety of scripture is either true or not a word of it is.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Here's just a quick note; I am not listening anymore. I am who I am and I believe. So in other words, deal with it. If you still want to be friends and that you will like me for who I am then great. If not, keep your opinions to yourself and please leave me alone. Thank you.

If you put out your beliefs and opinions on this forum and they are contrary to Christian doctrine and scripture you will hear from us, that is in part what this forum is here for: to discuss and yes, argue those differences in beliefs and what we think those doctrines mean. If you are not up do defending your beliefs I suggest you not post them and people will leave you alone. Remember, you sought this place out, we did not come looking for you.

 

[ezra]

Here's just a quick note; I am not listening anymore. I am who I am and I believe. So in other words, deal with it. If you still want to be friends and that you will like me for who I am then great. If not, keep your opinions to yourself and please leave me alone. Thank you.

i am sorry you feel that this way .its probably best to just move on from this section.. post something else

 

[Corn Pop]

Someone said if Jesus called God his God and there is only one God, then how can he be God.

Easy.

Jesus called God both his God and Father.
If God is Jesus Father then Jesus is Gods Son and if the Father is God then his Son is also God.

Jesus said "My Father is greater than I". I would say so while in creation on earth. Living as a human on earth is a bit less status than being glorified in the highest heaven don't you think.

 

[WIP]

Well,.. let me ask you a question. Does everything you belive have to be analyzed? The Bible states that no human (except for Jesus Christ) is perfect. There's a pretty good chance some minor mistakes were made. I'm a Christian because I belive it in my heart, not because a book tells me to. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing the Bible one bit. I believe it to be the greatest story ever told and a story of hope. But if the Bible told you to wear a monkey on your head would you? Without any explanation at all. Would you just do it because it's in the Bible, or would you follow your beliefs?

Here again, I think you might be making a mistake. The Bible is much much more than just a story. Looking at it as a story removes the reality of what it truly is. It is God's biography and His autobiography at the same time. The authors didn't just put their own ideas and opinions on parchment just because they felt like it. They were inspired by God and we can rest assured that God made sure it was accurate.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 says ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God. This implies every single word.
2 Peter 1:20-21 NKJV says, "No prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." NONE of it is of any private interpretation.

The Bible is either true or it is not. There's no gray.

 

[WIP]

Well,.. sort of. I believe in the Bible for the most part, but I believe that a caring, loving God wouldn't send somebody to Hell if they had a different religion or belife. Simply because, I believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. And unless they are pure evil, then I believe that they will go to Heaven. I don't like forcing my beliefs on anyone, but it seems like since I've got here, everyone has tried to force their beliefs on me.

Define "pure evil." How can anyone force their beliefs on another. You either believe or you don't. That's up to you.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Here's just a quick note; I am not listening anymore. I am who I am and I believe. So in other words, deal with it. If you still want to be friends and that you will like me for who I am then great. If not, keep your opinions to yourself and please leave me alone. Thank you.

As I and others have, carefully pointed out, I did not condemn you nor anyone else into Hell that is every individuals option unto themselves. God judges us by how much we seek after Him and how much we sought to forget our will and to replace it with his for us.
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
1Tim 2;3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
1Thes 5:18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
1Thes 4:3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality;\

No matter what I nor any other might think, each of us must cleanse themselves and then they must judge who they will be seated under in Church by their Life Style and Biblical Accuracy of his sermons and likewise each of us are directed to judge the Spiritual off their mate before they couple with them and the people associate with must be judged to know our mission with each of our associates, all after we get the log out of our own eye.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Evil; A pure murderous raving lunatic that has no love in his or her heart whatsoever. At least, that's how I define it.