agnosticism

[jasonc]

They are simply claiming that the truth is that we can't really know anything about the divine, in any justifiable way.


Well, that is how some Agnostics respond.


Not sure why you stressed the "you," I am not an Agnostic. I am formerly an Agnostic Atheist.


I still don't think you're understanding the difference. Agnostics believe that knowledge of God is impossible, and since that knowledge is impossible it is impossible to be ignorant, as the attainment of knowledge isn't possible.


You're confusing Agnosticism with indifference. An Agnostic is someone who tried to justify their belief that knowledge of God is impossible, not just someone who says, "meh, not interested in even looking."


Having once been an Agnostic Atheist I have to disagree, I was very open and honest about my beliefs at the time, and I ended up questioning them tirelessly. Hence I am a Christian now.

To simply say that all these people are dishonest on account of your opinion/personal experience, is ill advised. Especially if you want to evangelize to these people, if you would have told me I was dishonest, I wouldn't have had anything to do with you.

if GOD said, as he has told me numerous times you are lying to me and yourself , would you call that ill advised?one can deceive oneself. man do that. tis mentioned in romans one.

case in point. god did this to me a few months back.

i wanted to end my life. so i asked god to heal me. he said.. stop sinning and see that if you walk in my paths it will not be this way. should have had said something else. he should me as he only could that i was basing my identity on things of the world and not the world and also other things. yet i saw otherwise. we men tend to do that.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

if GOD said, as he has told me numerous times you are lying to me and yourself , would you call that ill advised?one can deceive oneself. man do that. tis mentioned in romans one.

case in point. god did this to me a few months back.

i wanted to end my life. so i asked god to heal me. he said.. stop sinning and see that if you walk in my paths it will not be this way. should have had said something else. he should me as he only could that i was basing my identity on things of the world and not the world and also other things. yet i saw otherwise. we men tend to do that.

Looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree, but I strongly suggest you don't go around calling these people liars. Not the best evangelistic tactic.

 

[OzSpen]

Richard Dawkins would claim that he is Agnostic Atheist. If one does not believe in God, then they are an atheist, the confidence of that belief doesn't change the fact.

Where has Dawkins stated that he is 'agnostic atheist'? Could that be concluded by inference from what he stated in the Daily Mail?

It was Dawkins who stated in the Daily Mail (25 Feb 2012):

He said: 'On a scale of seven, where one means I know he [God] exists, and seven I know he doesn't, I call myself a six.'

'Professor Dawkins went on to say he believed was a '6.9', stating: "That doesn't mean I'm absolutely confident, that I absolutely know, because I don't"'.

This is a pretty good, but brief, summary of the difference between an agnostic and an atheist from The Week (24 Feb 2012), which was reporting on the Richard Dawkins-Rowan Williams debate at Oxford University:

Agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve in the existence of God, preferring to accept that the truth of such claims is unknowable. Their stance is somewhat different to that of atheists, who are certain there is no deity.

That is how I have experienced it in discussing with agnostics and atheists. Agnostics tend to be fence-sitters on the knowledge of God, tending to not want to take a view either way with the existence of God.

However, atheists with whom I have had some dealings, are absolutely sure that God does not exist. When I ask them if they've looked under every stone and in every cave and in every black hole in the universe, they become very defensive. At least Dawkins is now prepared to admit that he cannot be 100% sure there is no God.

 

[jasonc]

Looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree, but I strongly suggest you don't go around calling these people liars. Not the best evangelistic tactic.

i wouldn't do that on the first debate. so if i told you i prefer to sin and ignore clear verses would then tell me nothing that i wasn't deceived?

its like this, as men, often we choose bad women to date or marry. i know in the past i did. a few friends told me, she isn't right for you. i didn't listen to them. later on i found out they were right. yet with their souls we shouldn't ever at the RIGHT time tell them the truth? we should say i believe you are wrong based on what? that they are right to see no evidence of god and to stop looking and not point the fallacy of that.

i have at times albeit rarely confronted others in sin in this manner. that is when god lead it.i have also been told by others from god what i was doing and how it offended him. that is in fact how i gave up bisexuality. the woman whom confronted me said read romans one then call me on what you think it says.i said something else and was lying to myself as i called out the sin i was in and I DIDNT WANT TO END THAT RELATIONSHIP. so started lying to myself. she said to me . come on Jason that isn't the truth. read me romans 1:26. i did and stated my position and then she said that is WRONG. I THEN became honest and confessed. that was all from GOD.

 

[childeye]

if GOD said, as he has told me numerous times you are lying to me and yourself , would you call that ill advised?one can deceive oneself. man do that. tis mentioned in romans one.

case in point. god did this to me a few months back.

i wanted to end my life. so i asked god to heal me. he said.. stop sinning and see that if you walk in my paths it will not be this way. should have had said something else. he should me as he only could that i was basing my identity on things of the world and not the world and also other things. yet i saw otherwise. we men tend to do that.

This concerns me greatly that you have said you wanted to end your life. Why? What is your reasoning on this matter? And to go out on a limb here, are you sure you don't have some brain damage that is affecting how you feel?

 

[jasonc]

This concerns me greatly that you have said you wanted to end your life. Why? What is your reasoning on this matter? And to go out on a limb here, are you sure you don't have some brain damage that is affecting how you feel?

no, ptsd, sheesh. it you haven't served and had some struggle then you weren't there.

 

[childeye]

no, ptsd, sheesh. it you haven't served and had some struggle then you weren't there.

Okay, you don't want to talk about it. I'm sure you're right about having to be there. Still can't blame me for caring.

 

[jasonc]

Okay, you don't want to talk about it. I'm sure you're right about having to be there. Still can't blame me for caring.

I don't mind talking about. I have done it. it just that why waste time going to the va, and sitting around doing the same thing that I do at church that if I feel the need? yes its great to have vets, but I also don't see the need to be punished. despite what the army says. one will not be able to go to school, carry a weapon and so forth if one admits this. I don't fully disagree with that policy, but if they are that bad? why aren't they baker acted?

 

[childeye]

I don't mind talking about. I have done it. it just that why waste time going to the va, and sitting around doing the same thing that I do at church that if I feel the need? yes its great to have vets, but I also don't see the need to be punished. despite what the army says. one will not be able to go to school, carry a weapon and so forth if one admits this. I don't fully disagree with that policy, but if they are that bad? why aren't they baker acted?

Jason, sometimes I am afraid to talk to you lest I say something the wrong way or am taken the wrong way. But I would like to know if you blame yourself for something you did, or just hate the circumstances that life has handed you.

 

[jasonc]

Jason, sometimes I am afraid to talk to you lest I say something the wrong way or am taken the wrong way. But I would like to know if you blame yourself for something you did, or just hate the circumstances that life has handed you.

no, self pity in parts, bad habit and I have bad days.

 

[phil marriner]

I think being agnostic is a cop out. A man who stand for nothing will fall for anything