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Allah Is A False God

Lewis

Lewis

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Maybe it's apt that an ex-pro entertainer reply to that

Much is made of 'politically correct' comedy, as the prophesied 'spirit of antichrist' penalises the exposure of idols & false gods, yet ignores the Almighty Creator

As Jeremiah 18 says, we humans are mere clay & God is the Potter: the clay can't sit in judgement on the Potter, but the Potter must judge the clay

God makes the rules & calls the shots

Galatians 6:7 says, 'Be not deceived: God is not mocked'

2 Timothy 3 prophesies 'terrible times in the last days...lovers of self & lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God...mocking & scoffing at their Creator'

Matt 24 & Jude 1 & elsewhere prophesy the increase of false christs/messiahs & false prophets

& spell out God's righteous wrath & judgement against those whose rebellion against God & love of wickedness tramples on the precious sacrifice of Christ, crucifying Him all over again (as Hebrews puts it)

However many websites blaspheme Christ, 'let God be true & all men liars'

All the world put together are not nearly clever enough to fool God & not a fraction strong enough to defeat Him - or tough enough to withstand the eternal, conscious torment that Jesus spelt out in Matthew 13, Revelation 20, etc

"God commands all men everywhere to repent & believe the gospel"

Before it's too late & you are left behind after the instant airlift Rapture resue of all who love Jesus, & have to face the Great Tribulation of Revelation 6,8, 9 & 16-19, etc

& Hell is even worse than Armageddon

"NOW is the day of salvation"

"TODAY, if you hear God's voice, don't harden your hearts"

God bless all who turn to Christ, the only true Lord & Saviour!

Ian
 
KaerbEmEvig said:
I am copying your style of play...

If you won't stop insulting other religions, I will not stop doin' the same to Christianity because I certainly have things to pick at.
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And you won't be here.
 
Then you won't be either - this site promotes tollerance - you attack the tollarance.
 
While I agree that the concept of the moslem God is at least in a large part false (I do not find anyone's religous views completely false and he Moselms are correct in that there is one God) I have to ask a question. Cornelius in Acts 10 was not a jew or christian. He was a gentile who believed in God. I doudt very highly that he knew of the trinity. He did not know of Jesus. Yet the Lord heard his prayer:



Acts 10
1: At Caesare'a there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort,
2: a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms liberally to the people, and prayed constantly to God.
3: About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, "Cornelius."
4: And he stared at him in terror, and said, "What is it, Lord?" And he said to him, "Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God.


So on what basis was Cornelius's prayer heard? Why, even though his view of God was not likely exactly correct was he seen as a "righteous and God-fearing man". Yes he needed salvation to come to him (i.e. Jesus) through Peter. But there was something going on with him and God before that.

What of the three wise men who were not Christians or Jews, but likely some form of pagan astrologers, yet knew where the Christ child would be born. Then there was the good Samaritan who was held high as an example of right attitude toward his fellow man. Samaritans believed in the God of Israel, but as one of many God's.

I say it has to do with the law written on all men's hearts (rom 2:14-16) that brings them to some knowledge of the one true God. That they may be in some form of invincible ignorance to all the ins and outs of God, but yet may not be culpable for their errors and God will hear their earnest pleas. What do you say?

Blessings
 
The god that the Muslims serve is not the God of the Bible.

Galatians 1:8-9 (King James Version)
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
Lewis,

Your not dealing with the issue. I agree that they do not have a correct concept of God. Though in part what they think of God is true. Yet it is clearly mixed with much error. Was the God of Cornelius the God of the Bible? No indication at all that he read the scriptures. Did he have his own set of revlelation that he should have written down. There is no indication at all that he believed in the trinity.
I believe the laws written on his heart, combined with what he saw in nature told him there was a God and he did his best to know him. God did not hold him accountable for his errors and heard his prayers. Have there been other Cornelius's out there throughout history. No reason to suspect not.


I agree that those who spread a false Gospel knowingly are accursed. Cornelius spead his thinking throughout his families and servants. Was he accursed? Is the young child that has been raised Moslem, beliving in one God but the God of Islam accursed if he calls out from his heart to know God? He likely will not instantly think of the trinity and his concept will still be the God of Islam.
 
thessalonian said:
Is the young child that has been raised Moslem, beliving in one God but the God of Islam accursed if he calls out from his heart to know God? He likely will not instantly think of the trinity and his concept will still be the God of Islam.
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I believe that you are correct in your implication that a person can access God through other "religious templates" if they truly are seeking. A relationship with God is not established through having a theologically correct set of doctrinal statements - it is more a matter of the "heart". So I do think that the true God can be accessed even when one cannot help but see the world through a non-Christian religious framework.

At the risk of seeming overly fawning to thess, who I recently "tangled" with, I think this is a rather significant observation on his part.
 
well, I personally feel that ANY God that tells you to strap bombs to yourself, highjack an airplane and fly them into a Government building to kill as many people, whether they be outsiders or not, as you can would have to be a false God. What kind of love is that? Certainly Allah is fake.

Allah also seems to often be born out of hash-and hallucinogen induced psychosis. You should see some of the drugs they do over there :o
 
Not all Moslems blow up buildings.

Drew,

Thank you for your objectivity. It is no shame to acknowledge where we agree. 8-)


Another interesting example in scripture is Cyrus. Note what the scriptures say:


[1] Thus says the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have grasped,
to subdue nations before him
and ungird the loins of kings,
to open doors before him
that gates may not be closed:
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[5] I am the LORD, and there is no other,
besides me there is no God;
I gird you, though you do not know me,


Not also the Samaritan woman at the well. Jesus doesn't say to you, your God is totally false, though as I explained earlier the Samaritans were a form of semi-paganism, believing in the God of the Jews as one of many gods.

John 4
[21] Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
[22] You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

He didn't flat out say, your God is a false God. He said you worship God though you do not really know him.
 
thessalonian said:
Lewis,

Your not dealing with the issue. I agree that they do not have a correct concept of God. Though in part what they think of God is true. Yet it is clearly mixed with much error. Was the God of Cornelius the God of the Bible? No indication at all that he read the scriptures. Did he have his own set of revlelation that he should have written down. There is no indication at all that he believed in the trinity.
I believe the laws written on his heart, combined with what he saw in nature told him there was a God and he did his best to know him. God did not hold him accountable for his errors and heard his prayers. Have there been other Cornelius's out there throughout history. No reason to suspect not.


I agree that those who spread a false Gospel knowingly are accursed. Cornelius spead his thinking throughout his families and servants. Was he accursed? Is the young child that has been raised Moslem, beliving in one God but the God of Islam accursed if he calls out from his heart to know God? He likely will not instantly think of the trinity and his concept will still be the God of Islam.
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Thess I have studied Islam, and a lot of the stuff in the Quran comes from the Bible, and most of it is distorted and turned around. And there are also a lot of contridictions in the Quran. So Thess what issue are you talking about that I am not dealing with ? The moon god of Islam is a false god.
 
I do not think you are seeing the forest through the trees lewis. There are varying degrees of error on who God is. Would you say the Jewish God, not trinitarian, is a false God? He was completely 100% true up until the revelation of the NT. I would stil say he is and that the trinity is a deeper understanding of the reality of God. Of course they now have errors. So does this mean their God is completely not a true God? That cannot be.
Christians, even trinitarian ones (actually all who are not trinitarian are not Christian) have differing and contradictory views of God, such as how many natures he had, whether Jesus was man or not, etc. I believe it is a good idea to recognize where the Moslem view of God is correct. Further I think we should recognize that the spirit of God draws men closer to him no matter what view of God they have.

John 12
31] Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out;
[32] and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."

Isa.2
[2] It shall come to pass in the latter days
that the mountain of the house of the LORD
shall be established as the highest of the mountains,
and shall be raised above the hills;
and all the nations shall flow to it,

I see the hills a varying understandings of truth. All religions have verying degrees of truth in them. Of course the fullness of the truth is a mountain. :-D

Is the way Islam sees God completely false?

Paul did not go in to the Aeropogus damning them to hell for all their false Gods. He went in looking for some "truth" that he could use to relate Jesus Christ to them.
 
No no no no no Thess of course there is some truth in Islam, and some good in Islam, Sura 2:136 says that we believe everything that the Bible says, but they don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. And there is countless other stuff. I have no respect for their god, and why should I ? Let me ask you something, have you ever did a deep study of Islam ?
 
No I have not in all honesty and I should. Though I don't think it neccessary in order to convert someone to understand their religion. It does help to know their concept of God. The point I am trying to make I is how do you convert the Moselm? Do you start by saying "your God is completely false"? Your headed for an arguement and you've made the hair stand on his back. You've already hardened him to your message. Instead you do like Paul did in the Aeropogus. You look for commonality, something you can leverage and then build it in to the one true God who sent his son to die for our sins. I agree that the God of Islam is not to be worshipped or followed. But where most Moselms are at is that they grew up with a desire for God in their hearts planted there by God himself. This desire has been attempted to be filled by a god of a mixed bag of error and truth. A false god no doudt. But we appeal to that voice within them. "My sheep hear my voice". Some will reject it and some will not. I am not neccessarily arguing with you Lewis. I am just trying to put a more helpful perspective on the matter.
 
Well really Thess God can only change the heart. Some of them come out of it themselves when they read things like Sura 33:36-38 where Allah tells Muhammed that it is ok for him to take his son in-laws wife. Or when they read in the Quran that if your wife does not obey you, beat her and bannish her to the couch. Many have come to renounce Islam behind these passages.
 
I dont see how you can claim that the God the muslims worship and the God the the christians worship are different. You say you have studied Islam in depth so you should know that when it comes to every other prophet before Jesus(pbuh) that the Quran and the Bible run close parallels. Also if you studied Islam from unbiased sources you would have dismissed the false allegation that Allah is a moon God which you obviously havent. The difference that the christians and muslims have is the concept of the true God. Christians beleive he is 3-1 and muslims believe he is just one. Thats it.
 
Lewis W said:
Well really Thess God can only change the heart. Some of them come out of it themselves when they read things like Sura 33:36-38 where Allah tells Muhammed that it is ok for him to take his son in-laws wife. Or when they read in the Quran that if your wife does not obey you, beat her and bannish her to the couch. Many have come to renounce Islam behind these passages.
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Lewis, I think you are missing my point. I agree that there are things in the Koran that should be troubling to them. But when they come to these crisis points are they going to reject one God, a part of their faith? Is all that they know wrong because the Koran is wrong? No. And how are they going to fill the void? Paul tells us:

14: But how are men to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?
15: And how can men preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach good news!"

Now when you come to preach to them they have some concept of God regardless of whether they have come to the conclusion of whether the Koran is false or not. What you want to do is not to destroy that and start over. You want to redeem it. Correcting the errors. The do believe in the God of Abraham, Issace, and Jacob, They already claim this (though they don't know the fullness of truth of what it means) and that is good. That can be used to better show who that God is. We are to give reason for the hope that is within us with gentleness and love. The hope that is within us is not that they will come to find that the Koran is evil (that will be a logical conclusion we would hope) but that they will come to find the one true God in Christianity. Once again I am not disagreeing that their view of God has some severe problems.
 
Now when you come to preach to them they have some concept of God regardless of whether they have come to the conclusion of whether the Koran is false or not. What you want to do is not to destroy that and start over. You want to redeem it. Correcting the errors. The do believe in the God of Abraham, Issace, and Jacob, They already claim this (though they don't know the fullness of truth of what it means) and that is good. That can be used to better show who that God is. We are to give reason for the hope that is within us with gentleness and love. The hope that is within us is not that they will come to find that the Koran is evil (that will be a logical conclusion we would hope) but that they will come to find the one true God in Christianity. Once again I am not disagreeing that their view of God has some severe problems.
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I can go with that.
 
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