Am I Reprobate?

[Bryony]

I have a complicated history. I don't need a pity party and I put my feelings and past in a box so it can't hurt me anymore. there's been times I've cried but felt God was disgusted by this and quite frankly I am tired, depressed and weary.
I live in a low security mental hospital and have been in hospital for 11 years straight with only 3 months in supported accommodation but this broke down.
I met a guy who became my secret partner for 9 months at a mental health rehab and I thought I was in love with him but due to my childhood I find giving and receiving love quite challenging.
I believe there's more to technology and the spiritual realms that even most seasoned Christians are aware of and I've had some heavy attacks.
this guy who I can't say the name of introduced me to Jesus when I was still into new age. I believed I was right and death was the end unless you transcend to the 5th dimension through trials and forsaking certain bodily experiences. after a while I was more convinced of Jesus but growing up on an isolated farm, home educated by a contrary and abusive mother and having Satanism apart of the mix I had glimpses of Jesus and was interested but my past was against me.
I've had many struggles with the Lord and after watching pastor Charles Lawson I don't believe I am saved. several salvation prayers later something hit me over a month ago thats infected my mind. I would walk around the park getting intrusive thoughts about hating everything.
it was so disturbing I would zone out but still felt God was giving me peace in my heart. now its got so bad its all I hear. even having lewd dreams or on waking. hearing everyone deserves to be killed. being mean to people in my head. short tempered but isolated and lonely and not knowing how to socialise. I don't feel like going out into the world and sinning. without Jesus I am nothing. sometimes I say I hate God or swear at him in my head. but a week ago it wasn't like this. its grown like a poison. I want to be in fellowship with Christ but because I had an experience of true repentance back in January where I thought I was saved by a prayer back in December the month before and God showed me different, I met God and spoke to him directly. spirit to spirit and heart to heart. I craved and longed for that back so much I never knew he was putting me through a salvation experience so I tried to earn it or re enact it. when God told me amazing things he eventually at 7 that morning told me.to open the Bible on the gospel of the resurrection and I became anxious and failed to believe.
since that time the Holy Spirit still convicted me for a while and I was very loving. I miss it all and fear I am a goat and reprobate and will never be forgiven. all I have is negativity in my head I even said proverbs were nonsense. everyday it gets worse . I go to church in the hope of something changing. I never want to hear the word hate ever again. I'm tired. I want to leave this world and society has nothing to offer me. all my old sins are arriving in my head and I feel so far from God all I can do is cry and look up at the clouds and say you hate my guts don't you. I feel undeserving of church and the members kindness and really im going mostly to help my partner who is struggling with demonization. he has a big heart and loves everyone and Jesus and I dont. deep down all I want is salvation. all I want is to be free. but a new condemnation comes up daily that drags me down into a spiral of unworthiness. the medication im on makes me detached so I have no idea how to talk to people like an ordinary person. my partners tears don't move me. I care about him but that's it. I wish I knew what I know now. I wish I could start all over again. tell the Holy Spirit I don't want to blaspheme him and back in January to God that I love him and thank you for accepting me instead of still fearing him. the voices I heard were tech and God never denied this. but I was able to forgive them instantly and everyone in my life. I miss this so bad when I hear the amen at the end of total praise by Richard Smallwood I cry. I feel so far from God I imagine if I prayed to him he'd pour his wrath on me. please help

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi Bryony and welcome to CF

After reading all of this it truly seems like you are a loving caring woman who has a heart for the Lord and wanting that fellowship that you know you need with God. It seems like you are being oppressed of Satan who wants to steal any faith you have left in you. Within your mental condition it is easy for Satan to play with your mind causing you to doubt yourself and your relationship with Christ as it is called spiritual warfare.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Please read the full context in Ephesians 6:10-18.)

The battle you are going through actually belongs to the Lord as He has made us more than conquerors as nothing can separate us from the love of God unless we allow it to do so. I believe you are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, but have not learned yet how to take the Spiritual authority and power over your oppressor that by the grace of God gave us in order to defeat the enemy. Please read this in Romans and also Ephesians as I believe you will come into understanding of the oppressor being Satan trying to buffet you.

God's Everlasting Love
Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

You are in my prayers and if you want to talk in private just PM me and I will try to help you the best I can.

 

[dwb001]

I don't even have to read one word of your post to answer... yes you are... and so am I and everyone else.
We all are lead astray by our flesh and only by the grace of God do we even seek forgiveness.

 

[for_his_glory]

I don't even have to read one word of your post to answer... yes you are... and so am I and everyone else.
We all are lead astray by our flesh and only by the grace of God do we even seek forgiveness.

That is an unjust judgement as Bryony is not morally depraved, unprincipled or a bad person, but one who is looking for help and understanding. Here is what scripture says about a reprobate mind the next time you tell someone they are of a reprobate mind.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[WIP]

That is an unjust judgement as Bryony is not morally depraved, unprincipled or a bad person, but one who is looking for help and understanding. Here is what scripture says about a reprobate mind the next time you tell someone they are of a reprobate mind.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I don't think dwb001 meant this as a personal characterization of Bryony but rather a description of the human condition today. Sometimes the first step to recovery is the admission of a problem and we (society) most certainly have a problem in my opinion.

When Jesus began His ministry, what was the first thing He said? "Repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17 NKJV

One must admit there's a problem before being able to repent of that problem.

Looking at the human society as a whole are we not unrighteous? Are we not fornicators? Are we not covetous? Are we not malicious, full of envy, murderous, argumentative, deceitful, malignant, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, full of pride, boasters, inventors of evil things (making good evil), disobedient, covenant breakers, without natural affection (homosexuality, bestiality, others),....?

As a society we are guilty of all of these and more and it is getting worse. The number of people identifying as Christian just in the US alone has been declining rapidly in recent decades. According to The Pew Research Center, fifty years ago 90% of the US population identified as Christian. In 2020, that number has dropped to about 65%, dropping by about 12% in the last decade alone.

But, my message for you, Byrony, is all is not lost. The one thing we believers have going for us is Jesus Christ. I think Paul addresses what you might be struggling with in Romans 7:14-8:17 NKJV and even to the end of chapter 8.

Chapter 7:
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Chapter 8:
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

Know that you are not alone and Jesus is right there with you. Lay your troubles at the foot of His cross.
I hope this is helpful.

 

[jerry63935]

a reprobate mind is a mind void of any judgment the fact your concerned and asking. the answer is NO

 

[for_his_glory]

That is an unjust judgement as Bryony is not morally depraved, unprincipled or a bad person, but one who is looking for help and understanding. Here is what scripture says about a reprobate mind the next time you tell someone they are of a reprobate mind.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

dwb001 if I am wrong I do apologize.

 

[jerry63935]

all my old sins are arriving in my head and I feel so far from God all I can do is cry and look up at the clouds and say you hate my guts don't you. I feel undeserving of church and the members kindness and really im going mostly to help my partner who is struggling with demonization. he has a big heart and loves everyone and Jesus and I dont. deep down all I want is salvation. all I want is to be free

everyone has some time struggles if you want free reach out by faith and be free ask the Lord Jesus to set you free. if your truly saved you have advocate one who takes up your cases. grace and mercy is yours for the asking... once again you do not have a reprobate mind

 

[D-D-W]

The answer to the OP's question depends on how you define "reprobate."

It seems clear to me that For_His_Glory and dwb001 are using very different definitions.

 

[dwb001]

The answer to the OP's question depends on how you define "reprobate."

It seems clear to me that For_His_Glory and dwb001 are using very different definitions.

I just use the dictionary to define the word. "an unprincipled person"

 

[D-D-W]

I just use the dictionary to define the word. "an unprincipled person"

Since it is a biblical term, lets see what the biblical languages have to say about it.

In the OT, the word translated reprobate is ma'as. (Strongs H3988) IT is also translated in other ways in various scriptures. The most common usage is despised and rejected.

In the NT, the word translated reprobate is adokimos. (Strongs G96) It means to be unfit, to not stand the test, to not be approved.

 

[dwb001]

Since it is a biblical term, lets see what the biblical languages have to say about it.

In the OT, the word translated reprobate is ma'as. (Strongs H3988) IT is also translated in other ways in various scriptures. The most common usage is despised and rejected.

In the NT, the word translated reprobate is adokimos. (Strongs G96) It means to be unfit, to not stand the test, to not be approved.

Incorrect.
Reprobate is an English word.
Please don't dive into Greek and Hebrew to define a word in another language.
This is the path to poor interpretation and isegesis.

 

[WIP]

Incorrect.
Reprobate is an English word.
Please don't dive into Greek and Hebrew to define a word in another language.
This is the path to poor interpretation and isegesis.

But when the Scriptures or anything for that matter are translated from one language to another, the words used are representative of the meaning of the original language as best as can be determined. Rarely are the translations able to be an exact word for word result. In some cases, there are no words to be used and then the original word in its original language may even be used. Asian peoples do this a lot. I've noticed while talking they'll use English words because there is no word in their language that fits the meaning.

 

[dwb001]

But when the Scriptures or anything for that matter are translated from one language to another, the words used are representative of the meaning of the original language as best as can be determined. Rarely are the translations able to be an exact word for word result. In some cases, there are no words to be used and then the original word in its original language may even be used. Asian peoples do this a lot. I've noticed while talking they'll use English words because there is no word in their language that fits the meaning.

But taking an English word and translating it back into an Ancient language is the incorrect way to work with Scripture or language in general.

Taking a known language... English
Translating to an ancient language... Greek and Hebrew
Then use an translation of that ancient language to define the original word... Greek/Hebrew translated back to English

This is the equivalent of translating an English book into Japanese then back into English. The second English book will not be anything like the original.

 

[jerry63935]

I don't even have to read one word of your post to answer... yes you are... and so am I and everyone else.
We all are lead astray by our flesh and only by the grace of God do we even seek forgiveness.

i beg your pardon i most certainly am not a reprobate . i might be a sinner who was saved by grace but know i am a new creation in Christ 2nd Corinthians 5:17 i have been justified by his grace .. the op said he cried out to Jesus for salvation.

John 6:37​

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

 

[for_his_glory]

Since it is a biblical term, lets see what the biblical languages have to say about it.

In the OT, the word translated reprobate is ma'as. (Strongs H3988) IT is also translated in other ways in various scriptures. The most common usage is despised and rejected.

In the NT, the word translated reprobate is adokimos. (Strongs G96) It means to be unfit, to not stand the test, to not be approved.

Which is pretty much the definition of reprobate that I gave as God rejecting someone who has hardened their heart against God. Pharaoh is a good example of reprobate. God gave him a chance to repent and turn back to Him, but his heart was hardened against God.

 

[dwb001]

i beg your pardon i most certainly am not a reprobate . i might be a sinner who was saved by grace but know i am a new creation in Christ 2nd Corinthians 5:17 i have been justified by his grace .. the op said he cried out to Jesus for salvation.

John 6:37​

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

Sorry to say... but yes you are. The Bible would tend to disagree with your interpretation.
Or have you completly conquoured your flesh?

Gen 8:21 ...for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth...
Prov 28:26 He that trusts in his own heart is a fool: but whoever walks wisely, he shall be delivered.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Matt 15:8 This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honours me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

 

[dwb001]

Which is pretty much the definition of reprobate that I gave as God rejecting someone who has hardened their heart against God. Pharaoh is a good example of reprobate. God gave him a chance to repent and turn back to Him, but his heart was hardened against God.

So the leader of an ancient civilisation was unprincipled?
So Pharaoh had no principles?
Then why would he chase down the Hebrews? If he had no principle of revenge then he should have just let it go.
To say someone has no foundation for their beliefs and actions is a silly claim without better proof.

 

[jerry63935]

Sorry to say.

you might be sorry to say.. but i am hear to tell you i am not a reprobate ------period. i am born again my past is my past i been justified sanctified and glorified along with the new creation in Christ
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
if you consider your self a reprobate you need to be saved born again . my goodness One who is predestined to damnation. a born again blood bpught child of the king IS NOT A REPROBATE.
look at the passage of scripture
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

if your a reprobate then you fall under the category of the above listed . when turned over to a reprobate mind / it is at the point of no return . one heart is hardened like pharaohs was/ his end was death twice physical and spiritual point of no return

Isaiah 35:8
And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

how do we make sure we are on this highway. 1 john 1:7 walk in the light 1 john 1:9 confess our sins.

Matthew 4:16-18

King James Version

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16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
please go back and restudy .because no Child of God is a reprobate

 

[jerry63935]

Sorry to say... but yes you are. The Bible would tend to disagree with your interpretation.
Or have you completly conquoured your flesh?

Gen 8:21 ...for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth...
Prov 28:26 He that trusts in his own heart is a fool: but whoever walks wisely, he shall be delivered.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Matt 15:8 This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honours me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

this is to the lost a true blue born again child of God is not reprobate