America The Babylon

[Geo]

Oh boy, one empty claim after another. It's not Israel that is without walls. You should start to study this before you consider talking about it.

Ezekiel says it's Gog that will think "an evil thought" that makes them go up [north] to the land of "unwalled villages" [not Israel] - all of them dwelling without walls [not Israel] to the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. [not Israel, there are absolutely no cattle in the middle of the land]. And all of that at about the SAME TIME when Israel is also a target of invasion.

2 invasions at the 'same time'. Israel is attacked by Gog, and IN ADDITION TO also a land of unwalled villages. That land is Babylon.

That is why Jeremiah says Babylon is attacked by an "assembly of great nations from the north country".

Jeremiah 50:9  For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.

The fleet leaves the northern seeports of Russia and goes 'up north' around the globe to come 'out south' and nukes America. That's what so many people have confirmed by visions and dreams they have received. Henry Gruver has one of the most detailed testimonies about exactly that situation.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Oh boy, one empty claim after another. It's not Israel that is without walls. You should start to study this before you consider talking about it.

Ezekiel says it's Gog that will think "an evil thought" that makes them go up [north] to the land of "unwalled villages" [not Israel] - all of them dwelling without walls [not Israel] to the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. [not Israel, there are absolutely no cattle in the middle of the land]. And all of that at about the SAME TIME when Israel is also a target of invasion.

2 invasions at the 'same time'. Israel is attacked by Gog, and IN ADDITION TO also a land of unwalled villages. That land is Babylon.

That is why Jeremiah says Babylon is attacked by an "assembly of great nations from the north country".

Jeremiah 50:9  For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.

The fleet leaves the northern seeports of Russia and goes 'up north' around the globe to come 'out south' and nukes America. That's what so many people have confirmed by visions and dreams they have received. Henry Gruver has one of the most detailed testimonies about exactly that situation.

The scripture says Gog will go up to the people who dwell without walls and you say they are not Israel.Then you say Gog will go against Israel.
These are not two different wars.It is about the same war .Babylon is Jerusalem

 

[Geo]

Read Ezekiel 38 until you understand it. If you cannot understand it there is nothing anyone can possibly do about it. It's Jesus that calls people out.


to the rest of the forum still sitting on the fence, have a look at this. A few words by fellow American Mark S. Watson to all that have been deceived by false prophets and lying theologians:

http://www.markswatson.com/WebSite/babylon_1.htm

These things have not been written to cause controversy, or dissension, but to point out the real nature of America, its people, and the Babylonian system and its extreme deceptiveness

 

[JudaicChristian]

Read Ezekiel 38 until you understand it. If you cannot understand it there is nothing anyone can possibly do about it. It's Jesus that calls people out.


to the rest of the forum still sitting on the fence, have a look at this. A few words by fellow American Mark S. Watson to all that have been deceived by false prophets and lying theologians:

http://www.markswatson.com/WebSite/babylon_1.htm

These things have not been written to cause controversy, or dissension, but to point out the real nature of America, its people, and the Babylonian system and its extreme deceptiveness

America is an image of the first beast, but it is not the first beast. The first beast is the Mystery Babylon.

 

[veteran]

I checked out Mark Watson's site, and he's right on many things about the 'mystery' part of Babylon, being associated with the secret societies. I don't think he uses the term secret societies, but that is who is bringing the Babylon system not just upon America, but the whole world. There's even a deeper event about ancient Sumer, because of one named Sargon who was a Semite; a mask of his facial features exists in the British Museum. Assyriologists original showed the date Sargon came to ancient Sumer per the Babylonian Tablets as being around 3800 B.C. Sumer is where Babylon started, like he said. I believe Sargon the first was Cain, and Cain took elements of the true Genesis creation account and twisted it, and that's the creation account recorded in the Babylonian Tablets.

When God says for us to come out of Babylon, it's meant in the spiritual sense, to not be found doing its works, nor being deceived by it. The only ones in Christian America that are deceived by it are those who are not familiar with where a lot of the pagan ideas are coming from, and what they are. It is not just about Christianity's assumed false holidays inherited from pagan converts, for no Christian I know intentionally does pagan idol worship on Christmas or Easter, like fertility rites and fornication, etc. If you'll notice, it's the non-Christians and pagans that are trying to stop Christmas and Easter as national holidays associated with Christ (our Lord Jesus was concieved around December per the Luke account, reckoned by the priestly course of Elizabeth's husband, and her meeting Mary when John the Baptist lept in her womb).

And I know a lot of people that having been coming out... of the secret societies associated with the old 'mystery schools' of paganism and the occult, and those are turning to Christ. That, is an example of coming out of Babylon for today, for it means coming out of 'confusion' in the spiritual sense.

It's going to be like God's Word shows for symbolic Babylon; it won't just be upon one nation, but all nations on the earth, for that is the playground of the secret societies, not just America. And that's why I refuse to label America specifically as Babylon, also because our Lord Jesus showed in Revelation He was specifically pointing to end times Jerusalem as that "great city", mystery Babylon. And that's because end times Jerusalem is where the beast headquarters over it all will be in the last days.

So it's not proper to call America mystery Babylon without calling all other nations today the same, because the influence of the secret societies is in those other nations today too, people with the view like Mark Watson most likely hasn't been to many other nations to know that, so his view is limited to what he can see. World socialism is a definite part of the Babylon system, and there are actually many other countries that have completely folded to Socialism, while America is still not that far gone, yet. In several countries in Europe their governments actually operate and control the houses of prostitution. I haven't seen stuff like that in America yet. So for those who really think America is Babylon today, they need to get out more and do some traveling to other countries.

 

[hisvessel1]

Geo. You really should read Isa.13:22 again, as well as the other passages you quoted from scripture. They say Nothing about America....

 

[Geo]

"And that's why I refuse to label America specifically as Babylon, also because our Lord Jesus showed in Revelation He was specifically pointing to end times Jerusalem as that "great city", mystery Babylon. And that's because end times Jerusalem is where the beast headquarters over it all will be in the last days."

Look here, this is what Jesus will do with all apostates and confused antichrist followers and all that thought they were christians:

Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

 

[Elijah674]

Rev.17
[1] And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

[2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF [[HARLOTS]] AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Not much mystery left for this in today setting! 1 John 4:6 But this thread will get the axe for sure, huh?

--Elijah

 

[hisvessel1]

Rev.17
[1] And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

[2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF [[HARLOTS]] AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Not much mystery left for this in today setting! 1 John 4:6 But this thread will get the axe for sure, huh?

--Elijah

Am i correct in saying that this is the religious system?

 

[hisvessel1]

Read Ezekiel 38 until you understand it.

I've read it, and it has to do with "Gog". You know, Ezek.38 &39.

 

[Geo]

"Am i correct in saying that this is the religious system?"

You quoted Isaiah 13. Let me break it down and read it for you:

Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

is the glory of kingdoms a religious system? Not in reality.

A kingdom is a kingdom. And the glory of kingdoms is the one 'on top of the world', in terms of position of status or recognition.

 

[hisvessel1]

"Am i correct in saying that this is the religious system?"

You quoted Isaiah 13. Let me break it down and read it for you:

I Never did anything of the kind. My post was to Elijah674...