And the Lord God called unto Adam...

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Romans 5:18 makes this perfectly clear for all to see

As with any gift that is offered one must accept it, in order for it to have any effect in their life.

I understand what you're saying although imo this verse isn't requiring anything at all for us to be condemned in the first Adam and justified in the Last Adam.

It's already a done deal... IOW His grace extends UNTO ALL and it is UPON ALL those who believe.

Of course those who do not believe are condemned already, and have no justification of life apart from the one who IS the LIFE... which is the same for a believer.

 

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Well yeah, some people do say they have been given special revelation by the Holy Spirit.

Well some HAVE been choosen by him, ..Eph 1:4 and sealed with with the holy spirit of Promise. Eph 1:13 And some have been given an inheritance. And some have been given a REVELATION. "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the father of Glory, may give unto you(his choosen people) the spirit of wisdom and REVELATION in the knowldge of him. " Eph. 1:17 This is what scriptures say about such things.

Why would someone who has recieved such wonderfull things ever deny them?

We know what the hope of our calling is, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints is. Verse 18 Our God is GREAT and above all things. And all this done before he made the world. verse 4. Spiritual blessings in Heavnly places........Verse 3. And our redemption through his blood according to riches of HIS grace....verse 7 May God bless you as only he can do.

I know that this is directed to Edward... although can I ask you if you believe that you received some 'special' revelation from God... or do you believe that God is calling all men without any difference ?

Also, did you notice when God seals the believer with the Holy Spirit according to Eph 1:13 ?

It is AFTER the person trusts in Christ and AFTER they believe the gospel.

 

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Is there something wrong in thinking that the Lord Jesus Christ is that true light which lighteth every man that comes into the world ?

Is there something wrong in thinking that God is calling all men equally and without partiality.. to repentance and faith in His Son ?

Is it wrong to believe that Romans 5:18 is simple yet staggering truth..? That I am at the same crossroad as all others... and can either seek to save my life.. or lose it to save it ?

Is it really necessary for so many to think that God called them in a special way.. that your calling was somehow more effectual than another's calling ? That maybe they were only afforded that 'general' call, whereas you got the full effectual calling from God ?

 

[Deborah13]

Romans 5:18 makes this perfectly clear for all to see

As with any gift that is offered one must accept it, in order for it to have any effect in their life.

I understand what you're saying although imo this verse isn't requiring anything at all for us to be condemned in the first Adam and justified in the Last Adam.

It's already a done deal... IOW His grace extends UNTO ALL and it is UPON ALL those who believe.

Of course those who do not believe are condemned already, and have no justification of life apart from the one who IS the LIFE... which is the same for a believer.

2 Corinthians 5:19-20 KJV
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Deborah13]

Is it really necessary for so many to think that God called them in a special way.. that your calling was somehow more effectual than another's calling ? That maybe they were only afforded that 'general' call, whereas you got the full effectual calling from God ?

I don't believe in irresistible grace, or limited atonement, or.....
God's gift of salvation (justification through the cross) is available to all those who will receive it.

 

[Elijah674]

I believe that God knew who would be saved. (Eternally) But we are not God!! and know ONLY through faith. Heb. 11:2-3 + Heb. 11:13

--Elijah

 

[Deborah13]

I believe that God knew who would be saved. (Eternally) But we are not God!! and know ONLY through faith. Heb. 11:2-3 + Heb. 11:13

--Elijah

I also believe this. Foreknowledge.

 

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Romans 5:18 makes this perfectly clear for all to see

As with any gift that is offered one must accept it, in order for it to have any effect in their life.

I understand what you're saying although imo this verse isn't requiring anything at all for us to be condemned in the first Adam and justified in the Last Adam.

It's already a done deal... IOW His grace extends UNTO ALL and it is UPON ALL those who believe.

Of course those who do not believe are condemned already, and have no justification of life apart from the one who IS the LIFE... which is the same for a believer.

2 Corinthians 5:19-20 KJV
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Not sure what you're trying to say here Deb...

 

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Is it really necessary for so many to think that God called them in a special way.. that your calling was somehow more effectual than another's calling ? That maybe they were only afforded that 'general' call, whereas you got the full effectual calling from God ?

I don't believe in irresistible grace, or limited atonement, or.....
God's gift of salvation (justification through the cross) is available to all those who will receive it.

Amen to that !

 

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I know that this is directed to Edward... although can I ask you if you believe that you received some 'special' revelation from God... or do you believe that God is calling all men without any difference ?

Also, did you notice when God seals the believer with the Holy Spirit according to Eph 1:13 ?

It is AFTER the person trusts in Christ and AFTER they believe the gospel.

No, I don't believe that I received a 'special' calling, one that is higher or more effectual so to speak than others. I was simply called. And then, as you say, after I believed the Holy Spirit seemed to be with me more often and give some revelations to me. It wasn't a big dramatic event, like I would call the tongues of flame upon the Apostles in the upper room. So I believe I am sealed and the Lord deals with me daily. I am in boot camp and it is hard brother. I think I would be doing better in life had I not began to seek the Lord. But that is of no matter and inconsequential to me. Life begins when I leave this planet and fleshy body.

Amen...

I believe there are people of a higher calling. I would say the Apostles were of a hugher calling, as well, Paul. How the Lord pretty much took Paul, on the road to Damascus. Wouldn't you call that a higher calling? He was chosen. Many are called...few are chosen.

Sure, although not all of us are Apostles to the Lamb or an Apostle to the Gentiles...

But that's not what I or who I was speaking about. I was speaking of people who lie and say they have a higher calling and revelations. They're actually fairly easy to spot, because what they say will not line up with scripture, and they tend to get offended easily. They seem to like to use this as an excuse, because no one can prove it wrong.

Yes, I understood what you are saying.

 

[Deborah13]

I understand what you're saying although imo this verse isn't requiring anything at all for us to be condemned in the first Adam and justified in the Last Adam.

It's already a done deal... IOW His grace extends UNTO ALL and it is UPON ALL those who believe.

Of course those who do not believe are condemned already, and have no justification of life apart from the one who IS the LIFE... which is the same for a believer.

2 Corinthians 5:19-20 KJV
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Not sure what you're trying to say here Deb...

Sorry, this scripture to me says what we are both saying to a point.

God reconciled Himself to the WORLD in Christ.
We are to reconcile ourselves to Him.

 

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Sorry, this scripture to me says what we are both saying to a point.

God reconciled Himself to the WORLD in Christ.
We are to reconcile ourselves to Him.

Yes, I get it...

 

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Never a Man spake like this Man...

It's miraculous of course to hear the testimony of how the Lord called you... because it literally happened.. that true light convicts doesn't it.

Anyone, please feel free to share anything about your calling... men and women because it's often different between the two..

I can remember quite a bit of detail with respect to being convicted and calling upon the Lord Jesus to be saved.. mostly through the scriptures..

To me it was very similar to what that man experienced long ago when he was sent to apprehend this Jesus of Nazareth...

All he could say when he returned is this

"Never a Man spake like this Man."