And yet more "sunscreen" confusion

[tim-from-pa]

The FDA is not only worried about UVB protection, but now UVA. UVB is what converts valuable cholesterol into vitamin D3. Yet, in spite of some insightful doctors who see the utter foolishness in the mainline thinking, they still want you to apply more and more sunscreen while people HAVE BEEN listening and doing this and YET skin cancer is going up and up. Next thing they will want us all to wear about a half inch of sunscreen cream on our bodies! I wish the sun would just supernova and put everyone out of their misery and then we need not worry about skin cancer! That would solve the problem.

FDA’s New Sunscreen Rules: FAQ « WebMD Newsroom

 

[jasoncran]

The FDA is not only worried about UVB protection, but now UVA. UVB is what converts valuable cholesterol into vitamin D3. Yet, in spite of some insightful doctors who see the utter foolishness in the mainline thinking, they still want you to apply more and more sunscreen while people HAVE BEEN listening and doing this and YET skin cancer is going up and up. Next thing they will want us all to wear about a half inch of sunscreen cream on our bodies! I wish the sun would just supernova and put everyone out of their misery and then we need not worry about skin cancer! That would solve the problem.

FDA’s New Sunscreen Rules: FAQ « WebMD Newsroom

i dont tan i burn. i get pre cancer skin reactions if i tan. besides protection from uv rays via sunscreen DOES NOT protect against skin cancer, a tan is a reaction to the damage from the sun. ever have sun poisioning. i have. it lasts for days if its bad enough.mine was a few hours of hell. puking and also the eventual burn and peeling of skin.

 

[Nick]

Since i suffer from albinism, I have no natural protection against sunburn. I don't tan, I burn. I'm almost a melanoma waiting to happen. So I'm pretty serious about sunscreen. I'd rather have a vitamin d deficiency than have skin cancer. I've seen how painful that is.

Oh, and I agree Tim, I can't wait for the sun to supernova. It would save me a lot of money on sunscreen. How long is the wait? 500 million years? Are we there yet?

 

[jasoncran]

Since i suffer from albinism, I have no natural protection against sunburn. I don't tan, I burn. I'm almost a melanoma waiting to happen. So I'm pretty serious about sunscreen. I'd rather have a vitamin d deficiency than have skin cancer. I've seen how painful that is.

Oh, and I agree Tim, I can't wait for the sun to supernova. It would save me a lot of money on sunscreen. How long is the wait? 500 million years? Are we there yet?

its says in my bible that God will be our light and the sun and the moon will be no more. i wonder what is exaclty meant by that. is it literal as i have found verses in ezekiel to that effect but its in regards to walking in the light of God's wisdom.

 

[tim-from-pa]

So, my friends, what I am saying is don't put on sunscreen. If you have to be outside, then wear a straw hat and long clothes and/or go under an umbrella. Only get a little sun. But sunscreen has known carcinogens. Get to God-given shade instead. I'm trying to break people of this modern, goofy mindset and use commonsense instead and I'm totally misunderstood. To many people, just because I say not to use sunscreen to them = burn up in the sun. I did not say that (but only joked that the sun should supernova which it is not massive enough to do so). Get "natural" sun protection instead --- the SHADE!

 

[Nick]

So, my friends, what I am saying is don't put on sunscreen. If you have to be outside, then wear a straw hat and long clothes and/or go under an umbrella. Only get a little sun. But sunscreen has known carcinogens. Get to God-given shade instead. I'm trying to break people of this modern, goofy mindset and use commonsense instead and I'm totally misunderstood. To many people, just because I say not to use sunscreen to them = burn up in the sun. I did not say that (but only joked that the sun should supernova which it is not massive enough to do so). Get "natural" sun protection instead --- the SHADE!

No thanks mate. I'll go cancer free thanks. I'm not a fan of sunburn. I'm not sure you understand how easily I burn - I have no pigment.

 

[bigllama]

I absolutely hate wearing sunscreen, it feels all sticky and disgusting, but my mom forces me to wear it haha. It is pretty necessary though, you can't stay in the shade and wear long clothes all the time, especially if you play a lot of sports outside during the summer

 

[jasoncran]

So, my friends, what I am saying is don't put on sunscreen. If you have to be outside, then wear a straw hat and long clothes and/or go under an umbrella. Only get a little sun. But sunscreen has known carcinogens. Get to God-given shade instead. I'm trying to break people of this modern, goofy mindset and use commonsense instead and I'm totally misunderstood. To many people, just because I say not to use sunscreen to them = burn up in the sun. I did not say that (but only joked that the sun should supernova which it is not massive enough to do so). Get "natural" sun protection instead --- the SHADE!

sometimes for those like me who if i or they did lawn maintanence would still have to wear some protection. would you wear pants in 100 plus weather while riding on zero turn? death by dehydration or melanoma. besides melanoma is the easiest to cure. no chemo is used just core samples of the areas that are hit and its done. some have gotten cancer while driving their cars.

 

[Pard]

Normally we agree, but I think we are in disagreement this time, Tim.

It's a case of correlation but no causation. Sunblock becomes popular and at the same time skin cancer incidents go up. Must be some causation, huh? Sort of, but not the way you think. Here are my several theories as to why this correlation is present.

A). Sunblock requires proper usage to work. How many people don't put it on their entire exposed body? How many people put on some SPF 15 and then forget about it the rest of the day? How many put on sunblock and then go swimming and never reapply?

B). People forget. How many people just forget to slap on the sunblock at all? I know I forget all the time. I have the kind of skin that doesn't burn easily*, so I just forget about it. (*Just because I don't burn doesn't mean I tan. I have some real funky skin issue that prevents either from happening... my mother's fault :p )

C). Skin cancer, like all cancers, has come into the public spotlight. In the 70s I severely doubt it was in the public's eye the way it is now. That is the problem with all the cancer data that shows a significant rise in cases. It's mostly because back in the day people just didn't know/bother with cancer. They died, and that's it. Doctors, often, didn't even recognize it. My mom, a nurse, even saw this change in awareness take place. When she first started as a nurse (a long long time ago...) cancer was almost rare. Now they have a fully staffed cancer section that people come to from all over the region.

 

[Nick]

Normally we agree, but I think we are in disagreement this time, Tim.

It's a case of correlation but no causation. Sunblock becomes popular and at the same time skin cancer incidents go up. Must be some causation, huh? Sort of, but not the way you think. Here are my several theories as to why this correlation is present.

A). Sunblock requires proper usage to work. How many people don't put it on their entire exposed body? How many people put on some SPF 15 and then forget about it the rest of the day? How many put on sunblock and then go swimming and never reapply?

B). People forget. How many people just forget to slap on the sunblock at all? I know I forget all the time. I have the kind of skin that doesn't burn easily*, so I just forget about it. (*Just because I don't burn doesn't mean I tan. I have some real funky skin issue that prevents either from happening... my mother's fault :p )

C). Skin cancer, like all cancers, has come into the public spotlight. In the 70s I severely doubt it was in the public's eye the way it is now. That is the problem with all the cancer data that shows a significant rise in cases. It's mostly because back in the day people just didn't know/bother with cancer. They died, and that's it. Doctors, often, didn't even recognize it. My mom, a nurse, even saw this change in awareness take place. When she first started as a nurse (a long long time ago...) cancer was almost rare. Now they have a fully staffed cancer section that people come to from all over the region.

Also remember, when they advertise a sunscreen as SPF 30+, that is it literally pouring out the bottle. Most people (not even me ) put it on that thick.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Let's not forget that much of the melanoma also appears where the sun don't shine.

I feel sorry for those who can't even get a little sun--- I'd look into other things going on behind the scenes as this is more than a burning issue. I don't know of any other outdoor creature that has that problem. I'll try to find a planetary system to live on with a red dwarf star.

 

[Nick]

Let's not forget that much of the melanoma also appears where the sun don't shine.

I feel sorry for those who can't even get a little sun--- I'd look into other things going on behind the scenes as this is more than a burning issue. I don't know of any other outdoor creature that has that problem. I'll try to find a planetary system to live on with a red dwarf star.

Do you deny that sunscreen protects against burns, or against skin cancer?

 

[jasoncran]

idk i have seen x ray techs take radiometers and leave in the car in the sun and it says severall hundred rads.hmm you might think something is better then nothing. and pard is right. that is often the case. tan or dark skinned people do get cancer. i have seen some of those. btw when you are out of chap stick , sunscreen does work as well. i used that in afghanistan.

 

[Pard]

Chap stick is for sissies! Real men have dry lips and like it!

And yeah, I bet most of the UV exposure one gathers over a lifetime is in the Fall/Winter when we don't put on the sunblock. The sun is actually deadlier in the winter when there is snow on the ground. More people go blind in the winter from that and also all the snow reflects the UV rays so it's not like you are getting hit from a fixed point but literally 360.

I was thinking about this today on my way home. Tim is right, what other creature on earth has a life threatening issue that comes from the sun, and more specifically that comes from as little as five minutes of exposure per day to the sun? Humans are the only creature I can think of with this problem.

 

[jasoncran]

Chap stick is for sissies! Real men have dry lips and like it!

And yeah, I bet most of the UV exposure one gathers over a lifetime is in the Fall/Winter when we don't put on the sunblock. The sun is actually deadlier in the winter when there is snow on the ground. More people go blind in the winter from that and also all the snow reflects the UV rays so it's not like you are getting hit from a fixed point but literally 360.

I was thinking about this today on my way home. Tim is right, what other creature on earth has a life threatening issue that comes from the sun, and more specifically that comes from as little as five minutes of exposure per day to the sun? Humans are the only creature I can think of with this problem.

that was from my lips drying from the desert like conditions in kunar province. its from lack of humidity in the air. the lips bleed and aslo swell up. lol florida has no winter.

 

[Nick]

Chap stick is for sissies! Real men have dry lips and like it!

And yeah, I bet most of the UV exposure one gathers over a lifetime is in the Fall/Winter when we don't put on the sunblock. The sun is actually deadlier in the winter when there is snow on the ground. More people go blind in the winter from that and also all the snow reflects the UV rays so it's not like you are getting hit from a fixed point but literally 360.

I was thinking about this today on my way home. Tim is right, what other creature on earth has a life threatening issue that comes from the sun, and more specifically that comes from as little as five minutes of exposure per day to the sun? Humans are the only creature I can think of with this problem.

Pard, I am totally with you on the winter part. The sun is also more "deadly" when there is cloud cover. It catches people off guard, and people laugh at me when I put sunscreen on on a cloudy day (pretty much all the time unless it's raining), well we'll see who's laughing in the end! :D

I cannot think of any other creature with this problem. But then again, is there any other creature with skin and no think fur etc to cover it?
I'm not sure how this changes anything, except that it's an interesting throught.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think most other creatures die before sun-induced cancer can get to them. Predators, in-species fights, disease, starvation...life out in the wild ain't pretty.

I think sunscreen is fine when you need it. I'm pasty and I have to use skin medication that makes me even more sensitive to the sun, so Southern Summers demand that I use sunscreen now and then. What I don't like is telling healthy people who already get pretty minimal sun exposure to protect themselves from the evil, light-emitting orb in the sky. Supposedly, it prevents wrinkles. I don't know. I knew a guy (a rather vain guy, I must say), who started using daily sunscreen at 17 to prevent aging. When I met him, he was super pasty, but he didn't look any younger than any other mid-20s guy I'd seen. Besides, don't we need a little bit of the deadly radiation to stay healthy?

 

[jasoncran]

I think most other creatures die before sun-induced cancer can get to them. Predators, in-species fights, disease, starvation...life out in the wild ain't pretty.

I think sunscreen is fine when you need it. I'm pasty and I have to use skin medication that makes me even more sensitive to the sun, so Southern Summers demand that I use sunscreen now and then. What I don't like is telling healthy people who already get pretty minimal sun exposure to protect themselves from the evil, light-emitting orb in the sky. Supposedly, it prevents wrinkles. I don't know. I knew a guy (a rather vain guy, I must say), who started using daily sunscreen at 17 to prevent aging. When I met him, he was super pasty, but he didn't look any younger than any other mid-20s guy I'd seen. Besides, don't we need a little bit of the deadly radiation to stay healthy?

lol, evil light emitting orb. i will have to use that in a sentence. hmm that is good as my"only he who has the anti-christ spirit plays golf"

 

[Nick]

Besides, don't we need a little bit of the deadly radiation to stay healthy?

Correct. I think it's about 20 minutes per day.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Well, let me answer a question from awhile back and put it this way: If you are prone to burn, and sunscreen helps that, then use it, but I'm really not convinced that it prevents or reduces skin cancer. So go at your own risk.

As for me, I'm 52 now and been going out in the sun all my life without sunscreen (we called it "suntan lotion" back then ) and in my case I get a little crotchety when I am told I need sunscreen "so that I don't burn" and "so that it reduces my risk of skin cancer". What do they think I've been doing in the sun all these years that they now have to tell me something I think I don't know?