Animals Can Think And Reason?

[Edward]

The talking turbine dream. A vision in,a way of my photos of that .in,that dream I was top tell via my photos of this place.

I would like to hear about this dream you had. (If a turbine can talk why would you say the earth can not, or animals?)

I prayed before sleep last night for God to speak to me in a dream tonight. I did dream. I was searching my house and gathering misplaced tools and bringing them all together. IDK what it means yet. Still need more coffee, lol.

 

[jasonc]

Yeah we do see through a glass darkly but God continues to give us clues and bits of truth all through our life. You do open a can of worms with this, but that is ok because we prolly should discuss it some.
First, Our scientists do know now that our heart has a much greater thinking capability than our brain (HeartMath.org) and I personally think that our heart is somewhat physical somewhat spiritual. Or at least there is some sort of nexus between them. So It is entirely possible that it is on a spiritual level. The stars do not have a physical heart, but are they without a spiritual one?

And what about that scripture that says something about, the very stones would cry out to God? I heard a testimony from a gal (online) where she was having a visitation and Her and Jesus was talking and Jesus made the statement to her that, her cat contemplates God better than she does. I got no indication that this lady was speaking an untruth.
In another testimony (different lady) was taken in spirit to Heaven and was giving testimony about it, and she said she saw children playing around a tree there and one little girl was reaching up to pick a piece of fruit from the tree. When she would reach up for the fruit, the tree lifted it's branch higher out of the reach of the little girl Then it would lower it's branch so the child would try again, and do it again. Almost like teasing and playing with the child. Do trees have a sense of humor?!
I know that may sound insane, but...in this natural realm where deception is rampant and all truths denied us, how can we be sure that this is not true? Is anything too hard for God? And if all of creation is groaning for the Lord's return, then how is that possible unless there is more truth to it than we are being shown by the world? Our understanding tells us, that is ridiculous and yet, we are told not to lean upon our understanding.

I am inclined to believe that all of these things are possible with God. Can an animal contemplate God without thinking? I think not. Scripture tells us that it is beyond the comprehension of man all the truths and goodness of heaven. So perhaps you should not be so quick to not believe that these things are possible.

Are these things metaphors? Maybe maybe not. I know that scripture uses metaphors, I will not argue that. But is, it's a metaphor, overused by us to justify rejecting things that we do not understand? Perhaps! Lord help my unbelief!

Where is the brain in a single cell organism,or paramecium ?if you,literally take all creatures that say that ,then any animal ,yes bacteria,are animals.do these think,,self aware.

Food for thought to be aware,implies more then reasoning to solve problems.my,blood pumping heart didn't ask God why it pumps blood.

In Jewish uses of the word for heart ,its the mind,the Greeks thought that it was a literal seat of emotion.


The earth having a Ruach is s metaphor in that its actions whether deadly or beautiful will make one wonder about God. That's an explanation to show why things God made have been ordained to show His Glory.

Even the trees. Get into growing and you will see that . I,used the power plant one to show you something. Even lightning in its deadly power speaks.

 

[jasonc]

Zacharias could write ,use signals .plenty of deaf,mute ,can still use sign language .

If an animal can think,and write .. He is as we are. Fully . since this phone deletes ,in,short the power plant turbine is just a dream . I was going through worry or thoughts of my job as I worked for that grid and since I know its days were numbered I had dreams of it. For years I have had dreams very vivid.things talk .

Metaphors are used to describe things .did this wooden old church call out to,me literally to photo it?no but I passed it for years and decided one day since other things nearby also needed to be photographed. Sometimes you. Have hyper literalism .

 

[jasonc]

Big blues history with me is from childhood as that thing is older,it never was off,always running ,smoke billowing and to,me it was fascinating ,years later I went inside it .I,worked for the grid it was on and knew many of the employees.its very emotional to see it go but ,that and the worry of a job at the time led to the dream.

For a few weeks and i still get them I think of reading,meters near the power plant and inside it and also my photo's.that and the diesel plant .

 

[Edward]

Where is the brain in a single cell organism,or paramecium ?if you,literally take all creatures that say that ,then any animal ,yes bacteria,are animals.do these think,,self aware.

Food for thought to be aware,implies more then reasoning to solve problems.my,blood pumping heart didn't ask God why it pumps blood.

In Jewish uses of the word for heart ,its the mind,the Greeks thought that it was a literal seat of emotion.


The earth having a Ruach is s metaphor in that its actions whether deadly or beautiful will make one wonder about God. That's an explanation to show why things God made have been ordained to show His Glory.

Even the trees. Get into growing and you will see that . I,used the power plant one to show you something. Even lightning in its deadly power speaks.

HeartMath says that our flesh heart has 40,000 cells which are of the "thinking" type like in the brain. And we see through a glass darkly. We know that everything on earth is types and shadows of the spiritual. So if our carnal heart is alive then we have a spiritual heart also? I do not have all answers but I am inquisitive and know that for now, many things must be taken in faith. Scripture: Hebrews

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.../

In my first post here, I quote a Job scripture which tells us to...ask the animals. Is that a metaphor? Then what does it mean?

 

[Edward]

If an animal can think,and write

You keep saying this! I didn't say they can write! Think and reason.

When I think about possible truths that the world calls insanity, or even my own flesh tries to deny to me...I, knowing that deception is the enemies tool, am almost to the point of believing, hup, red flag it prolly is true because the world and carnal mind say it is not. Question everything Brother!

 

[Edward]

Do you think that animals are deceived by the world about God?

I know that these things are hard to receive and believe. Do you believe that, the Word of God (the bible) is a supernatural book?

It is the only book which promises a blessing for reading it. Does God speak to us through His Word? Literally. A supernatural Spirit (The Holy Spirit) comes to us and speaks when we read it. The Holy Spirit is not slack in His duties. Scripture say that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth.

I dunno about single cell organisms. I've been thinking and learning about higher forms of life than them (animals) and have not contemplated amoebas too much yet.

 

[jasonc]

HeartMath says that our flesh heart has 40,000 cells which are of the "thinking" type like in the brain. And we see through a glass darkly. We know that everything on earth is types and shadows of the spiritual. So if our carnal heart is alive then we have a spiritual heart also? I do not have all answers but I am inquisitive and know that for now, many things must be taken in faith. Scripture: Hebrews

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.../

In my first post here, I quote a Job scripture which tells us to...ask the animals. Is that a metaphor? Then what does it mean?

Those are a,muscle ,they aren't neurons .we based computer programming on the brain.

They generate as all,muscles do a weak em field .but don't store info.muscle memory is actually a brain controlling the muscle.
The heart beat us controlled by a tiny nide directly commanded to beat from the brain ,irc several nerves do this,two from the brain directly ,and the others from the spinal cord.a pace maker is used to stabilise a off rythum.

You will see the node command in an ekg.the tiny bump,then the rise ,they determine a murmur by the delay from the bump.

 

[Edward]

They're saying that the heart has like 4 times the em field from the heart that the brain does and have measured it's field strength. Now I havent measured it, lol. But from them (heartMath) and other sources that I've read and listened to, it's a scientific fact now. It sounds right to me, a non-scientist. But you're welcome to disagree of course but either way you should go and check out the HeartMath website. They have a LOT of info there.

 

[jasonc]

They're saying that the heart has like 4 times the em field from the heart that the brain does and have measured it's field strength. Now I havent measured it, lol. But from them (heartMath) and other sources that I've read and listened to, it's a scientific fact now. It sounds right to me, a non-scientist. But you're welcome to disagree of course but either way you should go and check out the HeartMath website. They have a LOT of info there.

Em,doesn't imply,thought . eels generate that ,all fish do .its not a sign .the brain generates alot of em.as its the center of it .all muscles have that . try having a nerve damage and see how they test it may shock youp

 

[Edward]

You don't think the heart is the center of it all? God is Love, love conquers all, walk in Love, Faith works by love...Uhh, how could it not be? Besides Brother, are two billion teenage girls wrong? (Should I follow my head or my heart?) Lol.

 

[jasonc]

You don't think the heart is the center of it all? God is Love, love conquers all, walk in Love, Faith works by love...Uhh, how could it not be? Besides Brother, are two billion teenage girls wrong? (Should I follow my head or my heart?) Lol.

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Having watched men die,in the ressurection blood won't be,and using Jewish imagery of then and now,they don't see the human heart as the seat of emotion .its part of the invisible .meaning that they use these ,nephesh ,our hormones ,create feelings ,the nephesh chaya,that has a seat for emotions as the dead can see,feel,remember in the age to come . these both have thoughts,the latter also implies persona.

 

[jasonc]

Which is why i disagree with that ,the idea that animal can think and understand and know God like we can is where ?since animals didn't sin ,why would God choose to punish a perfect and free from sin being knowing they love Him.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I would like to hear about this dream you had. (If a turbine can talk why would you say the earth can not, or animals?)

I prayed before sleep last night for God to speak to me in a dream tonight. I did dream. I was searching my house and gathering misplaced tools and bringing them all together. IDK what it means yet. Still need more coffee, lol.

That's not surprising as God can definitely communicate with us through dreams and He has with me a few times before.

Which is why i disagree with that ,the idea that animal can think and understand and know God like we can is where ?since animals didn't sin ,why would God choose to punish a perfect and free from sin being knowing they love Him.

 

[jasonc]

That's not surprising as God can definitely communicate with us through dreams and He has with me a few times before.

I also agree the big blue power plant one was not one of those but a dream that when I closed on my house was

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I also agree the big blue power plant one was not one of those but a dream that when I closed on my house was

I'm sorry, could you please rephrase that? I'm afraid that I don't understand. :/

 

[jasonc]

I'm sorry, could you please rephrase that? I'm afraid that I don't understand. :/

I,dreamed when I would close my house .you sign a contract ,its called closing .on,that day I was able to move in .

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I,dreamed when I would close my house .you sign a contract ,its called closing .on,that day I was able to move in .

Oh okay, now I understand.

 

[Corn Pop]

Do you think that animals are deceived by the world about God?

Not really. Animals live by two rules.

Rule 1. Love and respect your fellow animal and there private property/territory/family.

Rule 2. Every animal species has the right to defend themselves against there fellow animal species who violate rule 1. They don't need to call authorities. Except humans. They have a man made government ruling over them.

 

[Corn Pop]

Do you guys think I'm nuts? It is scripture.

Yes, I think you are nuts for saying that. I think you should hand over all your guns to the government and be disarmed and banned in the name of security.