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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Why would anyone think heaven void of anything good that God created? :o
Why would anyone think heaven is void of the varietyof God's creations? :-?
God created animals so why wouldn't they be in heaven also? Scripture clearly shows that 'creatures' are in heaven.
Why would God create a heaven in which there are manisions and treasures (inanimate objects/vessels) in heaven but not a variety of life in heaven? :-?
Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
It is my understanding that heaven is not void of anything Good created by God. Heaven is the abundance of all of God's good and pleasing creation. Heaven is all that is God's good.
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Why would anyone think heaven void of anything good that God created? :o
Why would anyone think heaven is void of the varietyof God's creations? :-?
God created animals so why wouldn't they be in heaven also? Scripture clearly shows that 'creatures' are in heaven.
Why would God create a heaven in which there are manisions and treasures (inanimate objects/vessels) in heaven but not a variety of life in heaven? :-?
Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
It is my understanding that heaven is not void of anything Good created by God. Heaven is the abundance of all of God's good and pleasing creation. Heaven is all that is God's good.
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Soma-Sight
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So animals, much like women in the OT... are exclusively for the enjoyment of men and really are only here for mans needs.
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SputnikBoy
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Soma-Sight said:
Snicker . . . :smt036
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SputnikBoy
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Heidi said:
First question. Have you never loved a cat or a dog, Heidi, or do you find the word 'love' bizarre when applied to animals? Second question. Can you and I agree on ANYthing?
SputnikBoy said:
I've loved people also but that doesn't mean that all of them are going to heaven. Do you understand that animals can't reason enough to know what sin is much less ask for forgiveness, Sputnik? Or is that lost on you also? :o
No, we can't agree on anything because we aren't coming from the same place. "For what do day and night have in common?" If the Holy Spirit were in you, then you wouldn't question the bible or make up your own scriptures.
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Since when did God say heaven is only for the spirit that resides in a man? Scripture shows that heaven is a place in which even the beasts reside and give honor and glory and thanks to Him who sits on the throne.
If the vision/appearance of beasts are in plain sight in heaven then so can the vision/appearance of other animals be in heaven. All things which God created for HIS PLEASURE are in heaven. Revelation 4:11 is clear about that.
Revelation 4:1-11
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
There are beasts in heaven giving glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne. So why wouldn't there be pets allowed in heaven?
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11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Yep, There are some really odd things and happening in heaven!:
So why not pets or any other beasts (animal) that God created? They are after all.... (as stated in Revelation 4:11 ) they were all created for His pleasure. :angel:
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Since when did God say heaven is only for the spirit that resides in a man? Scripture shows that heaven is a place in which even the beasts reside and give honor and glory and thanks to Him who sits on the throne.
If the vision/appearance of beasts are in plain sight in heaven then so can the vision/appearance of other animals be in heaven. All things which God created for HIS PLEASURE are in heaven. Revelation 4:11 is clear about that.
Revelation 4:1-11
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
There are beasts in heaven giving glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne. So why wouldn't there be pets allowed in heaven?
: 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Yep, There are some really odd things and happening in heaven!
: So why not pets or any other beasts (animal) that God created? They are after all.... (as stated in Revelation 4:11 ) they were all created for His pleasure. :angel:
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SputnikBoy
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Relic said:.Yep, There are some really odd things and happening in heaven!
So why not pets or any other beasts (animal) that God created? They are after all.... (as stated in Revelation 4:11 ) they were all created for His pleasure. :angel:
Oh my ...there really ARE some odd things going on in heaven! I like the one that keeps popping out of the hole ...can I keep him?
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Soma-Sight
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Take this following for what it is worth, if you believe it fine.... if not fine....
If there is one thing I learned while living with a Peruvian Shaman in the Amazon.... it is the FACT that there are NUMEROUS spiritual realities existing simaltaneously within the galaxy.
I have personally witnessed the existence of "creatures" not of the earth plane.
Christians often fall into the trap of "3's"....
That is.... there is earth, Heaven, and Hell.... Thats it.... Thats all there is.
This is an erroneous doctrine of men as there are INFINITE realities and the universe is TEEMING with all sorts of life.... even if you cannot see it with the physical eyes.
Now back to the topic at hand. Animals may or not be granted entrance into the "Most Holy Places". But I am SURE they exist on other "planets" or dimensions that God has created.
For humans to believe that "earth is all there is" is the ultimate in the sin of Pride and Self Importance... there are beings and creatures in this Universe that would blow your God fearing mind. Not just "Angels and Demons" although these in themselves are superior to us.
If there is one thing I learned while living with a Peruvian Shaman in the Amazon.... it is the FACT that there are NUMEROUS spiritual realities existing simaltaneously within the galaxy.
I have personally witnessed the existence of "creatures" not of the earth plane.
Christians often fall into the trap of "3's"....
That is.... there is earth, Heaven, and Hell.... Thats it.... Thats all there is.
This is an erroneous doctrine of men as there are INFINITE realities and the universe is TEEMING with all sorts of life.... even if you cannot see it with the physical eyes.
Now back to the topic at hand. Animals may or not be granted entrance into the "Most Holy Places". But I am SURE they exist on other "planets" or dimensions that God has created.
For humans to believe that "earth is all there is" is the ultimate in the sin of Pride and Self Importance... there are beings and creatures in this Universe that would blow your God fearing mind. Not just "Angels and Demons" although these in themselves are superior to us.