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Animals Really Do Think Rationally

Hidden In Him

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Ever heard the saying "animals can't think rationally"? I think even scripture itself suggests the opposite. When Balaam beat his donkey for disobedience in not staying on the road and God gave him the ability to speak and respond, the exchange went like this:

"What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”
Balaam answered the donkey, “You have made a fool of me! If only I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now.”
The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have ever ridden to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”

What the exchange demonstrates is that the donkey considered Balaam's thinking illogical. It in effect says, "Why would I do this if there were not a reason?" In fact, his determination to get out of the road even at the expense of incurring the wrath of his master demonstrates a calculated decision. He had come to the conclusion that - regardless of what was going on with the dummy riding him - it was a smarter move to get out of the road than get both their heads lopped of by an angel standing there in front of them.

While I don't believe animals are as well-developed mentally as adult humans are, they appear to be similar in their capacities to small children in may ways. The problem is that they are usually not encouraged to use their minds, and like small children, when this is the case most of them usually won't. It is therefore a wonderful thing to see how advanced their thinking is when humans encourage it and actually give them a chance to demonstrate it.

The following is for posting videos and articles on the intellectual capabilities of animals. If anyone has anything they'd like to add, please feel free.
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I'll start with these.


Watch this one all the way through 2:17. It's incredible.


This one is just funny, so I'll include it here.

 
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The video below explains the actual experimentation. Their research reinforces something commonly known in aging studies; continued use of the brain increases brain function, whereas lack thereof causes it to deteriorate.

 
Now take a very close look at this. Suda actually spells his name in some of his paintings, and I have no doubt that his handlers showed him pictures of that word and pointed at it, telling him it represents, "Suda," or in other words telling him, "This is your name."

If so, it would mean that Suda recognizes those letters as a type of insignia representing himself, which by extension would mean Suda is actually in the beginning stages of learning how to read.




 
This one (Squirrel Maze 1.0) and the sequel to it (Squirrel Maze 2.0) are well-produced and just plain funny, so I'll include them here as well.



 
While I'm on funny, I think having a sense of humor is in itself a form of intelligence, and if so then many animals qualify.



 
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Just out of curiosity, what is the point?
They don't have a spirit,
They weren't made in God's image,
Jesus did not die for their sins.

Yet, I agree, that some animals act more rationally than some people...

2Pe_2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Jud_1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
 
Animals have the intelligence to respond to certain commands like the donkey that God used. Animals also have sense of danger, can be happy or sad with their emotions. They are very intelligent animals created by God.
 
They don't have a spirit,
Sorry, but scripture says otherwise.

Considering beast, they are animals as man is compared to them in scripture. They to have a soul as they also recieve the breath of life from God that makes them a living soul

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

ob 12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
Job 12:8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
Job 12:9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
Job 12:10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
 
Just out of curiosity, what is the point?
They don't have a spirit,
They weren't made in God's image,
Jesus did not die for their sins.

Just that it's a terrible misconception to presume that animals can't think rationally. As for the question of if they have a spirit or not, that one is more complex. The LXX reads:

And who has seen the spirit of the sons of men, whether it goes upward, and the spirit of the beast, whether it goes down to the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:21)
 
Sorry, but scripture says otherwise.

Considering beast, they are animals as man is compared to them in scripture. They to have a soul as they also recieve the breath of life from God that makes them a living soul

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

ob 12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
Job 12:8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
Job 12:9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
Job 12:10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Oops. Sorry, you beat me to it, sister. :)
 
The dismissive attitude of many Christians toward animals is one of my pet peeves (is that a pun?). No one who has owned as many cats and dogs as I have, and loved them like children, could doubt that they think and love. Of course the thinking is at a lower level - so is that of a lot of humans, for that matter - but it can be more complex than any automaton. It's also a hoot to watch and listen to my cats dream.

I've had several after-death experiences with my dogs and cats. One was included in Kim Sheridan's successful book, Animals and the Afterlife, https://www.amazon.com/Animals-Afterlife-Stories-Friends-Journey-ebook/dp/B000SEJJI2. I even had one really startling experience with a lizard, of all things. Beloved pets also prominently appear in many Near-Death Experiences.

I've practically become a Jain (https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/jainism) as far as animals are concerned and will go to humorous (to my wife) lengths to avoid killing a spider. I believe "life" in all its forms is sacred, even if only humans are in God's image (or God's "imagers," as Dr. Michael Heiser interprets it).

Here is the mighty Pooky (16 years old) doing all sorts of rational things. Well, maybe not.

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The dismissive attitude of many Christians toward animals is one of my pet peeves (is that a pun?). No one who has owned as many cats and dogs as I have, and loved them like children, could doubt that they think and love. Of course the thinking is at a lower level - so is that of a lot of humans, for that matter - but it can be more complex than any automaton. It's also a hoot to watch and listen to my cats dream.

I've had several after-death experiences with my dogs and cats. One was included in Kim Sheridan's successful book, Animals and the Afterlife, https://www.amazon.com/Animals-Afterlife-Stories-Friends-Journey-ebook/dp/B000SEJJI2. I even had one really startling experience with a lizard, of all things. Beloved pets also prominently appear in many Near-Death Experiences.

I've practically become a Jain (https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/jainism) as far as animals are concerned and will go to humorous (to my wife) lengths to avoid killing a spider. I believe "life" in all its forms is sacred, even if only humans are in God's image (or God's "imagers," as Dr. Michael Heiser interprets it).

Here is the mighty Pooky (16 years old) doing all sorts of rational things. Well, maybe not.

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LoL.

Your book link looks like an interesting read. I noticed there have been an increasing amount of Youtube videos on the subject. Truth be known, losing pets is one of the primary things that reminds me all over again why I live for God. You just instantly sense every time you lose a pet, "This simply should not be. Death is NOT supposed to be part of creation." It's wrong, and thank God He's going to correct it some day.

Thanks for the post. I may have to look into reading that book and some of the others on that page some day. I've heard it said that any animal who was loved by a Christian will be waiting for them on the other side, and that if they had several pets throughout their lifetime that they all play together until their owner finally gets to Heaven.

If so, I have a whole bunch of people waiting for me as well.
 
Sorry, but scripture says otherwise.

Considering beast, they are animals as man is compared to them in scripture. They to have a soul as they also recieve the breath of life from God that makes them a living soul

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

ob 12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
Job 12:8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
Job 12:9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
Job 12:10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
You missed the main ones...

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(Gen 1:27)


And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen 2:7)
 
There is much discussion about the distinction between "soul" and "spirit." There is a distinction, as Hebrews makes clear ("even to the division of soul and spirit"). Humans clearly "image" God and relate to him in a way animals don't. But I am 100% satisfied that animals have a spirit that survives death. Exactly how this works and whether all animals (and insects) survive is speculated upon in New Age-type literature, but I know of no Christian answer. I do trust my own experiences.
 
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