Another obstacle we must overcome for eternal life

[Gary]

the woman at the well repented, and brought the whole town out to JESUS, and many then believed on Him.....

the question I have is , did SHE feel guilt, or JOY ? (I don't remember any guilt associated with her repentance)

I don't remember reading anywhere that she did repent. Would you mind providing the book, chapter and verse regarding this woman's repentance?

Thanks.
.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

I am dining with her later.(at a wedding reception) I'll ask her to get in touch if Yhwh's willing. Don't hold your breath though. It may be a few days.

 

[DRS81]

Eternal life is a gift from God and is only granted once.
Once you repent of your sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior it is finished.
The only obstacle between eternal life and the nonbeliever is repenting and accepting. - DRS81

 

[Gary]

I am dining with her later.(at a wedding reception) I'll ask her to get in touch if Yhwh's willing. Don't hold your breath though. It may be a few days.

I don't remember reading anywhere that she did repent. Would you mind providing the book, chapter and verse regarding this woman's repentance?

If you don't mind.
.

 

[John Zain]

But it has always appeared that what you promote is a works salvation view.

But it has always appeared that what you promote is ignoring 100+ NT verses,
which were written to the churches!

BTW, we won't even dare talk about all of Jesus' warnings
... since it's not 100% sure He was talkin' to BACs.
But, IMO, He was talkin' to everyone on the planet.

Actually, the ultimate challenge for thou is to figure out (somehow)
what Paul is gettin' at in Romans Chapter 6.
Oh, and Good Luck ...

 

[Deborah13]

If you don't mind..

Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Joh 4:28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
Joh 4:29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

I guess it just depends on how one defines repentance maybe.
I think she believed Him when He said He was the Christ. She didn't question Him about that or scoff at this. She went and told others about Him. I notice she even left her possession behind in order to proclaim Him.

 

[John Zain]

Eternal life is a gift from God and is only granted once.
Once you repent of your sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior it is finished.
The only obstacle between eternal life and the nonbeliever is repenting and accepting.

Okay, what you say to verses such as:
“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

I.E. If you do NOT practice righteousness, you are NOT righteous in God's eyes!

P.S. There are more of these ... perhaps you'd like to see them?

Meanwhile, Deborah's still strugglin' with Romans 6.

 

[DRS81]

Okay, what you say to verses such as:
“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

I.E. If you do NOT practice righteousness, you are NOT righteous in God's eyes!

P.S. There are more of these ... perhaps you'd like to see them?

Hi John. 1 John 3:7 is a good thing. Practicing righteousness by daily repentance is a good thing, but righteousness without (His) grace is called self-righteousness.

 

[Deborah13]

But it has always appeared that what you promote is ignoring 100+ NT verses,
which were written to the churches!

BTW, we won't even dare talk about all of Jesus' warnings
... since it's not 100% sure He was talkin' to BACs.
But, IMO, He was talkin' to everyone on the planet.

Actually, the ultimate challenge for thou is to figure out (somehow)
what Paul is gettin' at in Romans Chapter 6.
Oh, and Good Luck ...

"But, IMO, He was talkin' to everyone on the planet." I agree and that includes you and me.

I don't know any Christian, even weak Christians, that believe it is OK to habitually 'not love their neighbor as they love themselves" and foremost habitually "not love God".
I can't think of one person on this forum that I know of, that thinks this way.
If you do you are hanging out with some pretty messed up people.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

"But, IMO, He was talkin' to everyone on the planet." I agree and that includes you and me.

I don't know any Christian, even weak Christians, that believe it is OK to habitually 'not love their neighbor as they love themselves" and foremost habitually "not love God".
I can't think of one person on this forum that I know of, that thinks this way.
If you do you are hanging out with some pretty messed up people.

perhaps so, but this was brought up the last 4 months several times on other threads (which for the same reasons as follows can't be mentioned specifically) and the ones who continued not loving God claimed that they didn't have to and that they could do
as they liked without being punished for it,
and when me or any one else pointed this out the posts were deleted for questioning the salvation of another person. i.e. it's not something
we can actually discuss in depth on this forum, as far as I or anyone else has been able to fathom. (the moderation is wonderful and good and needed, btw, but there are (necessary?) limits on what can be discussed). no other website, forum or chat room has so successfully kept their house 'clean' as this one has; so I don't know that it would be good to change anything , just realize there are limits and we can't and shouldn't go beyond the appointed limits.

this is the best that can be found for here and now, as several other members have also noted.

 

[Gary]

Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Joh 4:28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
Joh 4:29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

I guess it just depends on how one defines repentance maybe.
I think she believed Him when He said He was the Christ. She didn't question Him about that or scoff at this. She went and told others about Him. I notice she even left her possession behind in order to proclaim Him.

I understand what you're saying.

I just think it's unhealthy to add things to scripture that aren't there. That seems to happen a lot these days and very few challenge that behavior.
.

 

[John Zain]

If you do you are hanging out with some pretty messed up people.

Please just concentrate on trying to understand Romans 6.
Believe me, it will be far more beneficial for you!

 

[Sinthesis]

Actually the cowardice refers to those who can't believe God will enable them to take the promised land. Unfortunately the current pop culture Christian idea of rapture plays right into this cowardly interpretation of end times, whereby the Holy Spirit is not enough to redeem the world, so we want to bail and leave our neighbors to crash and burn.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

I can't think of one person on this forum that I know of, that thinks this way.
If you do you are hanging out with some pretty messed up people.

Please just concentrate on trying to understand Romans 6.
Believe me, it will be far more beneficial for you!

"Believe me" .... not exactly... but .... we are all hanging around with some pretty messed up people. Since Paul admitted it of himself, and said that God has chosen the messed up cast out scorned people of the earth to be His Own, well, 'nuff for that.

also, Romans 6 is wonderful, delightful, and provoking and LIFE CHANGING. for a few. when God 'breathes' on them/us/the few.

until then, it is not understood. not by me, you, them, us, or anyone. believe trusting and relying on Jesus - that is a very vital key for everyone seeking God's Kingdom.

 

[Deborah13]

Okay, what you say to verses such as:
“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

I.E. If you do NOT practice righteousness, you are NOT righteous in God's eyes!

P.S. There are more of these ... perhaps you'd like to see them?

Meanwhile, Deborah's still strugglin' with Romans 6.

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Why do you resist actually addressing what I said to you in my post? I quote from my post to you.

"We do not change ourselves, the Holy Spirit working in the believer does that. Yes, of coarse we need to not resist His working in us in order to live obedient lives.

But it has always appeared that what you promote is a works salvation view.

That's a hard place for anyone to be and can quench the fruit of the Spirit in one's life. It seems to me one either is honest about themselves and guilt sets in or they become the hardest accusers of others being blind to their own imperfect behaviors.
Eventually the Lord exposes them to themselves and sometimes to others."

You can be brave and address the points in my post or continue in what I see as silliness.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

1 John 3
2 Timothy 2
Number 19
and over one hundred other Word's from God, Scripture as written,

indicate, state plainly, command, exhort, bless or clarify that "BELIEVER's" DO purify themselves as God Word says to.

the Jews Life of Faith is an active life of faith, not a couch potato one --- they are not , we are not, onlookers but participants in the

vital work of God on earth. Participants fully with all of our minds and spirits and bodies WORKING for the Gospel's Sake in Christ Jesus.

willingly and joyfully so. with full co-operation, as it is written somewhere we ARE CO-WORKERS with God for the building He is building.
even "SALVATION" as He sees fit.

the 'passive' mind is often a fatal one, of someone lulled by sin or by the enemy into non-compliance with required activity.

 

[Deborah13]

I understand what you're saying.

I just think it's unhealthy to add things to scripture that aren't there. That seems to happen a lot these days and very few challenge that behavior.
.

I agree with you. I'm sure that I have been guilty of the same thing. I've been working on not being so lazy and go to the scripture, let it speak for itself, then give my opinion about what it says. I haven't done so well with that the last couple of days. :blush
Do you know where the Bible says to repent daily? I can't find it.
We can certainly tell the Lord that if we have done anything that was displeasing we are sorry for that because we know He loves us. But how does one change their mind about something they don't know they did? I can honestly say that I do have some good days where I don't get even upset with anyone maybe I just forgot a fleeting thought but how does one change their mind about something they've forgotten?

 

[John Zain]

... Romans 6 is wonderful, delightful, and provoking and LIFE CHANGING.
for a few. when God 'breathes' on them/us/the few.

Congrats ... you are almost (but not quite) as tricky at times to follow as Paul.

Yes, MANY parts of the Scriptures are meant to be understood only through the Spirit.
And NOT by just reading the words!

That's why unbelievers, such as the Muslims, really have NO idea what the NT is saying.
(Even if they think they do.)

You even understand that the so-called "church" will be out to kill us (fairly soon).
Violation of TOS...

 

[Deborah13]

Congrats ... you are almost (but not quite) as tricky at times to follow as Paul.

Yes, MANY parts of the Scriptures are meant to be understood only through the Spirit.
And NOT by just reading the words!

That's why unbelievers, such as the Muslims, really have NO idea what the NT is saying.
(Even if they think they do.)

You even understand that the so-called "church" will be out to kill us (fairly soon).

Meanwhile, Deborah's still strugglin' with Romans 6.
All we want to know is ... What is Paul's main point?
Shouldn't be too difficult for a BAC to "see".
But, it is for many on Christian forums!

That's twice now John, that you are behaving badly.
"love your neighbor as you love YOURSELF"

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Congrats ... you are almost (but not quite) as tricky at times to follow as Paul.
Yes, MANY parts of the Scriptures are meant to be understood only through the Spirit.
And NOT by just reading the words!
That's why unbelievers, such as the Muslims, really have NO idea what the NT is saying.
(Even if they think they do.)
You even understand that the so-called "church" will be out to kill us (fairly soon).
Meanwhile, Deborah's still strugglin' with Romans 6.
All we want to know is ... What is Paul's main point?
Shouldn't be too difficult for a BAC to "see".
But, it is for many on Christian forums!

....
...... soooo awkward --- humanly though 'thank you' but plainly though, just doing what a servant ought to do anyway.
....yes, Paul seems 'tricky' as do all who tell the truth in forums or in public or in churches or in medical conferences ----- it is so unusual to tell the truth, that when someone does it appears 'tricky' or 'out of place' !!! the world /society is so totally toast !
...as you have noted, not just unbelievers, but even believers, like the disciples,
did not understand Scripture, not even Christ the Messiah who had been their personal trainer/teacher
UNTIL it was opened to them by Yhwh ... ... ... this is a crucial point missed by multitudes of 'believers' who don't ever get their minds
opened, perhaps their spirits, but I can't recall that now, by Yhwh in Yeshua's Grace. i.e. the 'believers' remain in milk like the galatians, instead of getting to the real life and meat of obedience like the Ephesians (while Paul was with them) (they fell away later after he departed)... ... ...

on most forums anywhere, Christian and all others too, if any understanding of truth or publication of a 'secret' embarrasses them then it is not welcome. not just forums, but believer's lives and unbeliever's lives as well. we are blessed if we can accept correction from a donkey or a person, no matter if it devastates us and embarrasses us no end(for a while or a long time),
but that is
much much much much better to happen NOW, today, than on JUDGMENT DAY. so we do and should and will welcome correction and criticism and exhortation even from REBA !!! (who, btw, has been strict but fair and I really have to say SHALOM ! Good job Reba !)