Another obstacle we must overcome for eternal life

[His_nee (Jeff)]

"the spirit of the prophets belongs to the prophets" ------- none of God's anointed ones were ever 'taken over' outside of their own self-control subject to Yhwh or Jesus as it is written (fully in line with all of Scripture).

even in the world, which is really unimportant, if I told everyone here what the ( 'xgovmedcru') is going to do later this year, the whole site might be shut down for decontamination (national security) and end up with flight 370. (no, I don't know, and I don't want to know ! )

 

[reba]

When a person chooses to become a member here they agree to abide by the TOS....
As Christians should we abide by our word... Is it a lie to say one will abide then not do so?
Do we hide behind the kids line of "he did it first" ?

 

[John Zain]

"the spirit of the prophets belongs to the prophets" ------- none of God's anointed ones were ever 'taken over' outside of their own self-control subject to Yhwh or Jesus as it is written (fully in line with all of Scripture).

even in the world, which is really unimportant, if I told everyone here what the ( 'xgovmedcru') is going to do later this year, the whole site might be shut down for decontamination (national security) and end up with flight 370. (no, I don't know, and I don't want to know ! )

No problem with 370 ... it's sittin' (or blown up) in Pakistan.
But, I wonder where the 22 Chinese scientists are now?

 

[Deborah13]

....
on most forums anywhere, Christian and all others too, if any understanding of truth or publication of a 'secret' embarrasses them then it is not welcome. not just forums, but believer's lives and unbeliever's lives as well. we are blessed if we can accept correction from a donkey or a person, no matter if it devastates us and embarrasses us no end(for a while or a long time),
but that is
much much much much better to happen NOW, today, than on JUDGMENT DAY. so we do and should and will welcome correction and criticism and exhortation even from REBA !!! (who, btw, has been strict but fair and I really have to say SHALOM ! Good job Reba !)

I agree with you.
However, it seems like there are some people who take extreme pleasure in condemnation with out giving any scripture to teach someone HOW to overcome.
Most of the time I don't see your post as being just condemning. Most of the time you also present some truth that establishes that the grace of God is where we find the answers to overcoming our faults. At least that's what I have read in them but I could be wrong.
Do you know who said this?
"“The Law requires much, but offers no help in the carrying out of its requirements. The Lord Jesus requires just as much, yea even more (Matt. 5:21-48), but what he requires from us he himself carries out in us. The law makes demands and leaves us helpless to fulfill them; Christ makes demands, but he himself fulfills in us the very demands he makes."

 

[Gary]

I agree with you. I'm sure that I have been guilty of the same thing. I've been working on not being so lazy and go to the scripture, let it speak for itself, then give my opinion about what it says. I haven't done so well with that the last couple of days. :blush

That's what I try to do....it doesn't always work. I try not to comment on what I see between the lines. Not everyone has the same set of eyes. If I can't find the scripture to say what I want to say, then I usually don't say anything. Again, it doesn't always work out that way.

Do you know where the Bible says to repent daily? I can't find it.

I don't believe the bible says that. I could be wrong of course. It happens. If I am, someone correct me.

There is a verse, 1 Corinthians 15:31...Paul states that he dies daily. That might be what you're thinking of, I don't know.

We can certainly tell the Lord that if we have done anything that was displeasing we are sorry for that because we know He loves us. But how does one change their mind about something they don't know they did? I can honestly say that I do have some good days where I don't get even upset with anyone maybe I just forgot a fleeting thought but how does one change their mind about something they've forgotten?

There's a line in the Lord's Prayer: Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

As long as you're abiding in the Word and forgiving those who sin against you, the Lord will stay true to His Word and forgive those things that have escaped your remembrance.

.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Do you know who said this?

yes. you just did ! ...................................... and my posts are never condemning of a person outside of those who are anti-christ (thankfully no posters here so far, not openly anyway) . however on purpose or inadvertently to me(but in line with God's Word and Purpose ) my posts may be convicting or exhorting or 'appear' judgmental ---- just from experience in righteousness, btw ---- and may be 'judgmental' to the one whose conscience is reached. there is sin that is permitted in churches and in (big blanket "our") lives that must not continue to be permitted - but it is often ignored or even not recognized for a long long time ---- or not repented of for a long long time (I used to think Nathaniel confronted King David right after his affair with Bathsheeba, but found out decades later that Nathaniel may not have been sent to King David for 2 or more years after the affair, and/or that King David's tears/crying/remorse in repentance may have lasted 2 years (of serious grieving)..... (I forget some details sometimes.).....

back on track --- yes , when we realize our own and others faults, it is with graciousness and sometimes bluntness that we can correct ourselves and others with a view to healing, wholeness, wellness, and a GOOD TESTIMONY.

sometimes it is more difficult if someone is for instance a republican(yes, seriously) and doesn't realize that no political party, republican or otherwise, is good. (this isn't a pot shot btw, not at anyone; but a good example of mis-placed trust in some believers who don't realize yet or who just haven't admitted yet that God's Word and God's Way is not of this world, and requires a lot of repentance !!!! )

 

[reba]

67 years and i am still amazed when folks believe they have thee key to God...

 

[Deborah13]

That's what I try to do....it doesn't always work. I try not to comment on what I see between the lines. Not everyone has the same set of eyes. If I can't find the scripture to say what I want to say, then I usually don't say anything. Again, it doesn't always work out that way.

I don't believe the bible says that. I could be wrong of course. It happens. If I am, someone correct me.

There is a verse, 1 Corinthians 15:31...Paul states that he dies daily. That might be what you're thinking of, I don't know.

No not that one and I can't think of anywhere it does. Thanks for looking though.

 

[agua.]

67 years and i am still amazed when folks believe they have thee key to God...

It's no different than 2000 years ago don't be amazed.

 

[reba]

True :nod

 

[Deborah13]

Do you know who said this?

yes. you just did ! ...................................... and my posts are never condemning of a person outside of those who are anti-christ (thankfully no posters here so far, not openly anyway) . however on purpose or inadvertently to me(but in line with God's Word and Purpose ) my posts may be convicting or exhorting or 'appear' judgmental ---- just from experience in righteousness, btw ---- and may be 'judgmental' to the one whose conscience is reached. there is sin that is permitted in churches and in (big blanket "our") lives that must not continue to be permitted - but it is often ignored or even not recognized for a long long time ---- or not repented of for a long long time (I used to think Nathaniel confronted King David right after his affair with Bathsheeba, but found out decades later that Nathaniel may not have been sent to King David for 2 or more years after the affair, and/or that King David's tears/crying/remorse in repentance may have lasted 2 years (of serious grieving)..... (I forget some details sometimes.).....

back on track --- yes , when we realize our own and others faults, it is with graciousness and sometimes bluntness that we can correct ourselves and others with a view to healing, wholeness, wellness, and a GOOD TESTIMONY.

sometimes it is more difficult if someone is for instance a republican(yes, seriously) and doesn't realize that no political party, republican or otherwise, is good. (this isn't a pot shot btw, not at anyone; but a good example of mis-placed trust in some believers who don't realize yet or who just haven't admitted yet that God's Word and God's Way is not of this world, and requires a lot of repentance !!!! )

Actually it was Watchman Nee who said,
"“The Law requires much, but offers no help in the carrying out of its requirements. The Lord Jesus requires just as much, yea even more (Matt. 5:21-48), but what he requires from us he himself carries out in us. The law makes demands and leaves us helpless to fulfill them; Christ makes demands, but he himself fulfills in us the very demands he makes."

 

[Gary]

67 years and i am still amazed when folks believe they have thee key to God...

Like....................

 

[reba]

Php_1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Actually it was Watchman Nee who said,
"“The Law requires much, but offers no help in the carrying out of its requirements. The Lord Jesus requires just as much, yea even more (Matt. 5:21-48), but what he requires from us he himself carries out in us. The law makes demands and leaves us helpless to fulfill them; Christ makes demands, but he himself fulfills in us the very demands he makes."

excellent ! (a better teacher other than in Scripture I don't think you will find)

it is awkward because so much of the life in Christ Jesus requires holiness, as Scripture says clearly, and it is worth noting that Watchman Nee also shows this clearly, and shows how a Christian today can live a holy life, IF THEY ARE WILLING.

if they are not willing, there is nothing anyone can do. not even God (in a manner of speaking- He is mighty enough to, but won't force anyone to)

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Actually it was Watchman Nee who said,
"“The Law requires much, but offers no help in the carrying out of its requirements. The Lord Jesus requires just as much, yea even more (Matt. 5:21-48), but what he requires from us he himself carries out in us. The law makes demands and leaves us helpless to fulfill them; Christ makes demands, but he himself fulfills in us the very demands he makes."

there is another like it >>> (a requirement , btw, to live in Christ Jesus; not just words to ponder)(but still requires more than can be disclosed here)

“What does it mean in everyday life to be delivered from the Law?

At risk of a little overstatement I reply:

It means that henceforth I am going to do nothing whatever for God;

I am never again going to try to please Him.

‘What a doctrine!’ you exclaim. ‘What awful heresy! You cannot possibly mean that!’

But remember, if I try to please God ‘in the flesh,’ then immediately I place myself under the Law.” (p.164)

 

[Deborah13]

there is another like it >>> (a requirement , btw, to live in Christ Jesus; not just words to ponder)(but still requires more than can be disclosed here)

“What does it mean in everyday life to be delivered from the Law?

At risk of a little overstatement I reply:

It means that henceforth I am going to do nothing whatever for God;

I am never again going to try to please Him.

‘What a doctrine!’ you exclaim. ‘What awful heresy! You cannot possibly mean that!’

But remember, if I try to please God ‘in the flesh,’ then immediately I place myself under the Law.” (p.164)

Yes, he said that didn't he.
Watchman Nee, like a couple other Christian leaders I know and like Paul, suffered much criticism and persecution for the strong message of grace that he preached. He had to explain just like Paul that he was not advocating or condoning sin, quite the opposite. But then people hear what they want to hear.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Most Christians do NOT believe that Scriptures like the following apply to them.
But, they do! … Notice these passages specifically apply to believers …

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral,
sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns
with fire and brimstone, which is the second death (eternal death).” (Rev 21:7-8)

“Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” (Rev 2:10-11).

James 1:12-15 says receiving the crown of life (due to the forsaking of sin)
is the opposite of receiving eternal death.

There are several lists of sins, which Christians must NOT be committing habitually!

Note: If a Christian is sincerely confessing and repenting of his sins (1 John 1:7-2:1),
his sins are being washed away, and he is NOT classified as a habitual sinner.
So, perhaps sincere repentance is of utmost importance to being an overcomer.

WARNING … Anyone who is a habitual (unrepentant) sinner:
• will NOT inherit the kingdom of God …1 Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-6
• will NOT enter the New Jerusalem … Rev 21:27, Rev 22:14-15
• will NOT avoid the wrath of God … Col 3:5-6
• will NOT avoid the lake of fire … Rev 21:7-8
• will NOT avoid death … Rom 1:29-32
These are LISTS of sins (merely examples) which must be overcome!

Let us review what Jesus means about being an overcomer
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Rev 3:21)
Jesus overcame fleshly temptations, sin, and the Devil.
Did Jesus overcome more than these things?
How about overcoming cowardice when faced with strong persecution and death?

As for us, notice the first item in the Rev 21:7-8 list above … “cowardly”.
So, another obstacle believers must overcome is cowardice when faced with:
1) heavy-duty persecution re: their faith (even leading to physical death)
2) heavy-duty pressure to take the mark of the beast (leading to eternal death)

Let us not be cowards and run from these things!
Let the Lord decide what His will is for us.
Will He supernaturally protect us, or will He have us be martyrs?

IMO, this depends on the strength of our belief-faith-trust,
and our spiritual walk (and holiness) re: overcoming sin.

Rev 21:7-8 warns that cowardice must be overcome to avoid loss of eternal life!
The “sons of God” have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them,
and they are being led by God’s Spirit (Romans 8:14).
And they are to follow His peace when making decisions about everything!

Great statements John, right on the mark.
But the question becomes this:
Is a person really a Born Again Christian if they have unforgiveness and/or sins they refuse to repent of?

 

[John Zain]

Great statements John, right on the mark.
But the question becomes this:
Is a person really a Born Again Christian if they have unforgiveness and/or sins they refuse to repent of?

I believe most of us define a BAC as one who has received the Holy Spirit, who is dwelling within.
But, his free will enables him to do whatever he pleases.
He can make the choice to fall away from God's grace, i.e. from eternal life.
He can, however, choose to return, but God does have His time limits on this.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I believe most of us define a BAC as one who has received the Holy Spirit, who is dwelling within.
But, his free will enables him to do whatever he pleases.
He can make the choice to fall away from God's grace, i.e. from eternal life.
He can, however, choose to return, but God does have His time limits on this.

That's a bit confusing John.
How do we know one has received the Holy Spirit?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Great statements John, right on the mark.
But the question becomes this:
Is a person really a Born Again Christian if they have unforgiveness and/or sins they refuse to repent of?

To expand on this a little big lot: what does Scripture says about people who gather up treasures on earth instead of heaven ?
what does Scripture say about people who "call themselves brothers" but continue in adultery, divorce, greed, covetousness, murder, or other sins without repenting ?
Not 'secret' sins, but out in the open ones. (so no one can claim 'foul!' - 'don't judge me!' and so on) .