Antichrist is fully supported in last days. What's a new believer to do?

[John S]

I will not be here to see the Anti-Christ.

YES - You will.

 

[Kathi]

YES - You will.

Are you sure of that?

 

[John S]

When referring to the End Times, Jesus Christ said that "MANY will be deceived".
The Elect would be deceived, if that were possible.

Suppose 5 million people just vanished, who would be deceived?

 

[Kathi]

You did not answer my question on post #23

 

[Sinthesis]

An anti-Christ is anything someone chooses as their savior instead of Jesus Christ. There are many things in which people have misplaced their faith. 'Anti' doesn't have to mean 'in opposition to', just 'in stead of'.

 

[John S]

You did not answer my question on post #23

I am POSITIVE - because as I stated in Post 24, NO ONE will be deceived.

 

[for_his_glory]

I will not be here to see the Anti-Christ.

Then why would there be any reason for an Antichrist if we the Bride of Christ are out of here before he comes on the scene. Who will he deceive?

2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[for_his_glory]

These pre-trib theories started in the 1800’s and continued with Margaret MacDonald in Port Glasgow, Scotland who first taught the pretrib view in 1830. Her theory was handed down to us through such men as J.N. Darby, Edward Irving, C.I. Lewis and many others to present day. Notice the word theory. Theory is just the carnal minds way of interpreting something. There is no scripture that supports a seven year Great Tribulation. The Bible never talks about seven years, but 3½ only as we will always have tribulations and persecutions until the day of judgment when Jesus returns in the air to gather those who have endured all the persecutions for the witness of Christ and places them in safety until he makes an end to all the abominations of the world and Satan is cast into the lake of fire with the beast and the false prophet.

It is so imperative to understand those Spiritual words of God so we will not be taken as a thief in the night when Jesus returns. Revelation, which means veil rolled aside, starts with the seven churches that spiritually represent all Gods children as they are given the seven spirits of God to help keep them inline with the will of God. The seven spirits are wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, reverence, might and the Spirit of the Lord. Revelation chapter 4 is used in the false teachings of a pretrib rapture that teaches the saints of God will be out of here before a Great Tribulation occurs. This is a monstrous deception of Satan that will cause many to fall away from God as we will go through everything of Revelations including the seven seals of judgment, seven trumpets of judgment, the harvest judgment, the seven vials of judgment right up to and including the two final battles when judgment comes on all the inhabitants on the earth dead and alive.

God does not want us to fear those things which must come, but be prepared for those things which have to come. If we are truly sealed by the Spirit of God through repentance then we need not fear what man can do to the flesh as we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us as we have died to self and we no longer live, but Christ lives in us. We will be the witness of Christ to the world when the last of the abominations take place and our only concern needs to be of us being the witness to the nations that God has called us to be.

 

[reba]

The Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ ... it is not the revelation of some antichrist

 

[Deborah13]

An anti-Christ is anything someone chooses as their savior instead of Jesus Christ. There are many things in which people have misplaced their faith. 'Anti' doesn't have to mean 'in opposition to', just 'in stead of'.

Yep, there has been so much confusion about the term itself. We, as people, have a tendency to stick to our own definitions instead of just facing up to the facts of what language says.
Just like replenish doesn't mean to redo something just fill. We are a stubborn lot sometimes.

These pre-trib theories started in the 1800’s and continued with Margaret MacDonald in Port Glasgow, Scotland who first taught the pretrib view in 1830. Her theory was handed down to us through such men as J.N. Darby, Edward Irving, C.I. Lewis and many others to present day. Notice the word theory. Theory is just the carnal minds way of interpreting something. There is no scripture that supports a seven year Great Tribulation. The Bible never talks about seven years, but 3½ only as we will always have tribulations and persecutions until the day of judgment when Jesus returns in the air to gather those who have endured all the persecutions for the witness of Christ and places them in safety until he makes an end to all the abominations of the world and Satan is cast into the lake of fire with the beast and the false prophet.

It is so imperative to understand those Spiritual words of God so we will not be taken as a thief in the night when Jesus returns. Revelation, which means veil rolled aside, starts with the seven churches that spiritually represent all Gods children as they are given the seven spirits of God to help keep them inline with the will of God. The seven spirits are wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, reverence, might and the Spirit of the Lord. Revelation chapter 4 is used in the false teachings of a pretrib rapture that teaches the saints of God will be out of here before a Great Tribulation occurs. This is a monstrous deception of Satan that will cause many to fall away from God as we will go through everything of Revelations including the seven seals of judgment, seven trumpets of judgment, the harvest judgment, the seven vials of judgment right up to and including the two final battles when judgment comes on all the inhabitants on the earth dead and alive.

God does not want us to fear those things which must come, but be prepared for those things which have to come. If we are truly sealed by the Spirit of God through repentance then we need not fear what man can do to the flesh as we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us as we have died to self and we no longer live, but Christ lives in us. We will be the witness of Christ to the world when the last of the abominations take place and our only concern needs to be of us being the witness to the nations that God has called us to be.

To believe this theory of the end times, I would have to believe that Matt. 23-24, Mark, and Luke in conjunction with some of Daniel, will be a double prophecy and I don't see any support for that. There would have to be a literal, physical temple for the rocks to be thrown down. This can't be the spiritual temple because scripture says that temple will never be torn down, for all of hell can't destroy it. But this physical temple would also have to be a place where the Spirit of God dwells or did dwell. I don't think the Holy Spirit will be dwelling in any physical temple on this earth except in His Body of believers.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yep, there has been so much confusion about the term itself. We, as people, have a tendency to stick to our own definitions instead of just facing up to the facts of what language says.
Just like replenish doesn't mean to redo something just fill. We are a stubborn lot sometimes.




To believe this theory of the end times, I would have to believe that Matt. 23-24, Mark, and Luke in conjunction with some of Daniel, will be a double prophecy and I don't see any support for that. There would have to be a literal, physical temple for the rocks to be thrown down. This can't be the spiritual temple because scripture says that temple will never be torn down, for all of hell can't destroy it. But this physical temple would also have to be a place where the Spirit of God dwells or did dwell. I don't think the Holy Spirit will be dwelling in any physical temple on this earth except in His Body of believers.

The Temple in the OT was the sanctuary of God here on earth as God from His heavenly throne (sanctuary) worked through those He chose to be His servants (priest) here on earth. In the NT Jesus spoke of the temple being his body and that he is the chief cornerstone, John 2:19-22. Eph 2:19-22; 1Peter 2:5. We who are in Christ indwelled with the Holy Spirit are now that temple of God not made of stone built by hand, but built of the foundation of Christ being our cornerstone, 1Cor 6:19; 2Cor 6:16. We are of the heavenly sanctuary where Gods seat is from above as we reign with Christ here on earth. There is no purpose or reason why an actual Temple would have to be built for the veil has been torn from top to bottom, Matthew 27:51, and God is no longer in a Temple of stone built by hands.

 

[Kathi]

Then why would there be any reason for an Antichrist if we the Bride of Christ are out of here before he comes on the scene. Who will he deceive?

2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

We the bride of Christ will be out of here because Scripture tells us we will not go through the wrath of the tribulation.The Anti-Christ is a part of the wrath.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thessalonians 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

 

[Deborah13]

The Temple in the OT was the sanctuary of God here on earth as God from His heavenly throne (sanctuary) worked through those He chose to be His servants (priest) here on earth. In the NT Jesus spoke of the temple being his body and that he is the chief cornerstone, John 2:19-22. Eph 2:19-22; 1Peter 2:5. We who are in Christ indwelled with the Holy Spirit are now that temple of God not made of stone built by hand, but built of the foundation of Christ being our cornerstone, 1Cor 6:19; 2Cor 6:16. We are of the heavenly sanctuary where Gods seat is from above as we reign with Christ here on earth. There is no purpose or reason why an actual Temple would have to be built for the veil has been torn from top to bottom, Matthew 27:51, and God is no longer in a Temple of stone built by hands.

Agreed.
We know that the Body of Christ is made up of only true believers. Unless we think that true believer's can fall away and I would equate that to the gates of hell being able to make those in the Body of Christ fall away. So to me those who fall away were not of the Body of Christ in reality.

So how can a man of sin, in the future, be sitting in the temple of God?

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.