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[_ Old Earth _] Archaeology does it again...

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Hi there!

:-D

It is always such a blessing to see archaeology supporting the Biblical accounts...



Archeologist unearths biblical controversy

Artifacts from Iron Age fortress confirm Old Testament dates of Edomite kingdom


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...y/LAC/20050125/ARCHEOLOGY25/International/Idx

By MICHAEL VALPY
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - Page A3


....What is particularly exciting about their find is that it implies the existence of an Edomite state at the time the Bible says King David and his son Solomon ruled over a powerful united kingdom of Israel and Judah.

It is the historical accuracy -- the very existence of this united kingdom and the might and splendour of David and Solomon, as well as the existence of surrounding kingdoms -- that lies at the heart of the archeological dispute...

Says Prof. Adams: "This battle between the Israelites and the Edomites, although not possible to document, is typical of the sort of border conflicts between Iron Age states. And the evidence of our new dates at least proves that it may, in fact, be possible to place the Edomites in the 10th century [BC] or earlier, which now supports the chronology of the biblical accounts.




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It's also nice to see Archaeology support the Iliad.
 
The more Archaeologists dig, the more Bible they find. :D

PG
 
Asimov said:
It's also nice to see Archaeology support the Iliad.

Have you found anything that belonged to Odisias? What about evidence for all the creatures he encountered, any fossils of them?

Come on Asimov, we have much more eveicence than the Iliad. We have the ark of Noah, the wheels in the Red Sea, and if the muslims would let us excavate Mt. Zion we all know we'd find remains of both temples.

Do we have evidence for everything in the Bible, no, but Christ told us

JOHN 20:29 Jesus saith to him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Why not trust God, instead of world?
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Come on Asimov, we have much more eveicence than the Iliad. We have the ark of Noah, the wheels in the Red Sea, and if the muslims would let us excavate Mt. Zion we all know we'd find remains of both temples.

Yea, Brutus, we don't have the Ark of Noah, we have what appears to be wheels in the Red Sea (those pictures offered nothing but non-peer reviewed interpretation. And temples don't offer anything, buddy. We find evidence of the route that Jason and the Argonauts took, that doesn't mean the events happened, we find the remains of Troy, that doesn't mean that it was anything other than an ordinary war. We find the Parthenon, in Athena, that doesn't mean Athena existed.

Hey, there's a city called Rome, I guess Romulus and Remus really existed! Hey, there's an Isle of Crete, I guess the Minotaur really existed.


Do we have evidence for everything in the Bible, no, but Christ told us

JOHN 20:29 Jesus saith to him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Why not trust God, instead of world?[/color]

Because God doesn't exist, buddy.
 
Pearly Gator said:
The more Archaeologists dig, the more Bible they find. :D

PG

Hi there!


that statement simply isn't true. Most archaeologist have nothing to do with the history of Israel. Most archaeologists are dealing with America, mesoamerica and Europe.

Archaeologists don't dig to treasure hunt in support of the Bible, Archaeologists excavate to find the artifacts and relics of a previous society. If they find a special and significant inscription or artifact, that's wonderful, but treasure hunting isn't the goal.


~serapha~
 
huj05 said:
plz tell me where noahs ark is?

Hi there!


Ge 8:4
And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat


~serapha~
 
Asimov said:
we have what appears to be wheels in the Red Sea (those pictures offered nothing but non-peer reviewed interpretation.


Hi there!


Are you implying that coral will grow at perpendicular angels on its own?



~serapha~
 
Serapha, I wasn't aware of the step by step excavation.

Asimov, you are giving examples of geographical locations. Weak Evidence. I gave examples of specific biblical items being uncovered. Strong proof.

Example:

Any myth can give a location, and so it's easy to find geographical evidence. This does not make these myths a reality.

A true story can produce actual items. We have Noah's Ark, the wheels of the chariots, the remains of Jericho, and even the Temple. Those are facts, and that is why the Bible is being supported by archiology. We have no concrete case, but its leagues ahead of the Iliad. All it takes is faith.
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Serapha, I wasn't aware of the step by step excavation.

Asimov, you are giving examples of geographical locations. Weak Evidence. I gave examples of specific biblical items being uncovered. Strong proof.


No you didn't.

Noah's Ark has not been found. The chariot wheels are not the Pharoah's chariot wheels.

When I said earlier that the only person to have "found" these wheels was Ron Wyatt, I was right. Those pictures you showed me were from Ron Wyatt, who is a known fraud, and a liar.

So you don't have specific biblical items, you have a fraud.


A true story can produce actual items. We have Noah's Ark, the wheels of the chariots, the remains of Jericho, and even the Temple.

You dont' have the Ark, you don't have chariot wheels. Jericho is merely a City. I gave you the Isle of Crete, which has a city that was ruled by King Minos, who supposedly owned a Minotaur.

There is also the Oracle at Delphi, which Alexander the Great visited. This is a specific location told in many Greek Myths. Rome is a location, Rome actually existed, in case you weren't aware.

Shall I keep going?

Funny enough, your Noahs' Ark story is based on the Epic of Gilgamesh, a Sumerian myth. So really, you are trying to verify mythology.
 
serapha said:
Asimov said:
we have what appears to be wheels in the Red Sea (those pictures offered nothing but non-peer reviewed interpretation.


Hi there!


Are you implying that coral will grow at perpendicular angels on its own?



~serapha~

Hi there!

I'm not saying that there isn't something at the bottom of the Red Sea, I'm saying that it's a false interpretation to say that they are a specific item from a specific event that most likely didn't even occur at said location.

Furthermore, ONLY Ron Wyatt and his "team" have found these, and Ron Wyatt is a liar.
 
oh no

I thought everybody knew about Ron Wyatt. Christians especially are embarrassed by him.
http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/
http://www.isitso.org/guide/wyatt.html
"At this point, things began to explode. I received about thirty pages of faxes of different articles from one of the leading Creation Science research organizations. These articles stated that Wyatt's research was at the best based only on circumstantial evidence to being an outright fraudulent. Another Creation Science organization whose present head comes from Australian, did a soft-shoe dance on a telephone interview with me. He basically said all of Wyatt's evidence for his discoveries is circumstantial, but he wouldn't rule it out. I later found out his organization not only promoted WAR's discoveries, but actually sold WAR's materials to their organization's supporters. This leading Creation Science spokesperson was so concerned for his position and job, that he would not acknowledge that he promoted a fraud. And we wonder why the Creation Science scientists have a difficulty establishing credibility. "

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:_s ... raud&hl=en
 
Asimov said:
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Serapha, I wasn't aware of the step by step excavation.

Asimov, you are giving examples of geographical locations. Weak Evidence. I gave examples of specific biblical items being uncovered. Strong proof.

No you didn't.

Noah's Ark has not been found. The chariot wheels are not the Pharoah's chariot wheels.

When I said earlier that the only person to have "found" these wheels was Ron Wyatt, I was right. Those pictures you showed me were from Ron Wyatt, who is a known fraud, and a liar.

So you don't have specific biblical items, you have a fraud.


A true story can produce actual items. We have Noah's Ark, the wheels of the chariots, the remains of Jericho, and even the Temple.

You dont' have the Ark, you don't have chariot wheels. Jericho is merely a City. I gave you the Isle of Crete, which has a city that was ruled by King Minos, who supposedly owned a Minotaur.

There is also the Oracle at Delphi, which Alexander the Great visited. This is a specific location told in many Greek Myths. Rome is a location, Rome actually existed, in case you weren't aware.

Shall I keep going?

Funny enough, your Noahs' Ark story is based on the Epic of Gilgamesh, a Sumerian myth. So really, you are trying to verify mythology.

Ron Wyatt may be a liar, but the Items are there. The Ark is right where the Bible says it is, Mount Ararat. You call these discover fraud's yet give nothing to support your speculations. The Man's a liar, well, the pictures are not.

The Epic of Gilgamesh is the mythological veiw of the story of Noah's ark. Yes it was most likely recorded before the Biblical account of Noah's ark, and I can't tell you why that is. Anyone knows that a good myth is based in reality. What makes the Bible more credible is the fact that we have Evidence of specific items and places. Until you can prove they are fraud, you do nothing but blow smoke.
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Ron Wyatt may be a liar, but the Items are there. The Ark is right where the Bible says it is, Mount Ararat. You call these discover fraud's yet give nothing to support your speculations. The Man's a liar, well, the pictures are not.


Buddy, if Ron Wyatt is a fraud and liar, then his finds are suspect at least. You of all people should know that the bible states the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat, plural. Of course I can't disprove the pictures, because no one else has been there to see these things. They are non-peer reviewed discoveries, and therefore cannot be accepted based on Ron Wyatt's word.

The Epic of Gilgamesh is the mythological veiw of the story of Noah's ark. Yes it was most likely recorded before the Biblical account of Noah's ark, and I can't tell you why that is. Anyone knows that a good myth is based in reality. What makes the Bible more credible is the fact that we have Evidence of specific items and places. Until you can prove they are fraud, you do nothing but blow smoke.

You miss the point, Brutus, the epic of Gilgamesh was a myth well before Noah was even heard of. And since Noah's flood supposedly occured in 2400 BC, there is a slight problem with chronology.

You don't have evidence of specific items and places, not even Answers in Genesis agrees with you!
 
The Epic of Gilgamesh is the mythological veiw of the story of Noah's ark. Yes it was most likely recorded before the Biblical account of Noah's ark, and I can't tell you why that is. Anyone knows that a good myth is based in reality. What makes the Bible more credible is the fact that we have Evidence of specific items and places. Until you can prove they are fraud, you do nothing but blow smoke.[/quote]
I watched something the other night on the Epic.

It is full of details. Places, rivers, cities that actually existed and are consistant with a local flood that carried the people out to the ocean.

Much more detail and historical places are mentioned than in the bible's account, which really only brings up Mr. Ararat (which is interestingly is near the headwaters of the Tigrus, which would have cause the local floods where Giglamesh lived).
 
Asimov said:
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Ron Wyatt may be a liar, but the Items are there. The Ark is right where the Bible says it is, Mount Ararat. You call these discover fraud's yet give nothing to support your speculations. The Man's a liar, well, the pictures are not.


Buddy, if Ron Wyatt is a fraud and liar, then his finds are suspect at least. You of all people should know that the bible states the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat, plural. Of course I can't disprove the pictures, because no one else has been there to see these things. They are non-peer reviewed discoveries, and therefore cannot be accepted based on Ron Wyatt's word.

The Epic of Gilgamesh is the mythological veiw of the story of Noah's ark. Yes it was most likely recorded before the Biblical account of Noah's ark, and I can't tell you why that is. Anyone knows that a good myth is based in reality. What makes the Bible more credible is the fact that we have Evidence of specific items and places. Until you can prove they are fraud, you do nothing but blow smoke.

You miss the point, Brutus, the epic of Gilgamesh was a myth well before Noah was even heard of. And since Noah's flood supposedly occured in 2400 BC, there is a slight problem with chronology.

You don't have evidence of specific items and places, not even Answers in Genesis agrees with you!

Answer in genesis is not the final authority on whether or not these finds are true or not. Look at the pictures. If you can come up with a better reasoning that is supported then do it. Until then, these Items are there because there is no better explanation than the Biblical accounts.
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Answer in genesis is not the final authority on whether or not these finds are true or not.


Ok, so next time you use AiG, I'll remember that. That's not the point, though. The point is that if in the Creationist camp, other Creationists say that Ron Wyatt's finds aren't true, EVEN after looking at the evidence (pictures), then Ron's credibility sinks even further.

Let's look at what AiG says, since you once again don't seem inclined to view any counter evidence.


Pharaoh’s chariots?

Some unsolicited evidence also came our way concerning the alleged chariot wheels of the Exodus (which have never been made available to any archaeologists, Bible-believing or otherwise).
There is a Jonathan Gray video purporting to show these on the bottom of the Red Sea. In one part, Gray claims that a ‘British Admiralty chart’ he is holding shows a ‘sand bridge’ with great depths either side.

The hydrographic office of the UK Ministry of Defense is, by international agreement, the authority for charting the Red Sea. A Mrs M. H. sent them the video; they wrote back to her that:

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Gray’s chart could be positively identified on blowups as United States chart no. 62020.
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‘Contrary to Mr Gray’s statement, the “sand bridge†is not now, and never has been, a recognizable feature on British Admiralty Charts. Nor is it recognizable on the U.S. chart held by Mr Gray.’
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Gray’s comments about the ‘great depths’ also mislead.
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The naturally lit video footage of the sea floor could not possibly have been filmed anywhere near the spot claimed by Gray, as insufficient light would penetrate at that depth.

Subsequently, Gray published a second letter from the same office, claiming it vindicated his claims of a ‘sand bridge.’ However, when we checked with them, they wrote that their comments had been ‘seriously edited,’ with ‘selected parts’ shown under their letterhead. The full letter, which they sent us, ‘does not confirm the existence of a “sand bridge.â€Â’

In short, whenever we have had the opportunity to objectively assess any of these claims, the same pattern emerges as from our ‘Ark’ investigation.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i2/ark.asp

Look at the pictures. If you can come up with a better reasoning that is supported then do it. Until then, these Items are there because there is no better explanation than the Biblical accounts.

Ok, so if I provide you with a picture of the Loch Ness monster, or Bigfoot, then you should accept them no matter what.
 
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