Bible Study Are "drunkards" going to Hell?

[EvolvingChristian]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 says "drunkards" (among others) will NOT "inherit the kingdom of God". Are we to infer that they will be sent to Hell? Is it possible that drunkards go someplace else until they are purified of their alcoholism in order that they can, eventually, "inherit" the kingdom of Heaven?


1 Corinthians 6:9-11


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9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Serving Zion]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 says "drunkards" (among others) will NOT "inherit the kingdom of God". Are we to infer that they will be sent to Hell? Is it possible that drunkards go someplace else until they are purified of their alcoholism in order that they can, eventually, "inherit" the kingdom of Heaven?​

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1 Corinthians 6:9-11​

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9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

You need to make a distinction between the power of God in the present as compared to an everlasting life in heaven. The kingdom of God is an expression used first by Jesus to describe how God's kingdom is coming upon the earth to establish His place as the King of kings. Jesus was asked to explain how the kingdom would be seen, and He said that it is neither seen coming from here or from there, but it is within us. It is clear therefore that the divine power of God works through us in order to make Him known on earth. What Paul is saying is that God's power cannot be manifested by people who are abominable and sinners. Do you remember what Peter said to Jesus when He told him to cast his net in the deeper water? (Luke 5) The net was so full of fish that it was breaking and they had to get help to lift it out of the water. He said "leave me Lord, because I am a sinful man". Peter seemed to know that the kingdom of God is a powerful domain and he expressed that he wanted rather to live his simple life. There's a real reason why churches aren't doing the works that Jesus has given His life up in order for them to do, and that's it precisely.

 

[Hopeful]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 says "drunkards" (among others) will NOT "inherit the kingdom of God". Are we to infer that they will be sent to Hell? Is it possible that drunkards go someplace else until they are purified of their alcoholism in order that they can, eventually, "inherit" the kingdom of Heaven?​

1 Corinthians 6:9-11​

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The scripture did answer your question.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

The scripture did answer your question.

I guess it's unclear to me, that's why I asked.

 

[Serving Zion]

I guess it's unclear to me, that's why I asked.

I'm also reminded of Matthew 11:12-13.

 

[humble soul]

There's a drying out clinic option in Purgatory.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

There's a drying out clinic option in Purgatory.

It seems that most protestants don't believe in purgatory. It's either instantaneous presence with the creator or eternal, horrific, unabated, suffering, in Hell. There is no in-between, or so I'm told.

 

[humble soul]

It seems that most protestants don't believe in purgatory. It's either instantaneous presence with the creator or eternal, horrific, unabated, suffering, in Hell. There is no in-between, or so I'm told.

At least Catholics believe in compromise. Half way houses.

 

[Christina97]

I think if you have believed in the Son of God, you go to heaven whether you're a drunkard or not. NONE of us would be declared righteous by the works of the law.. not just drunkards... and we all need the Son of God to have eternal life. these are bible verses that I believe show that.

-Romans 3:19-31 "Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."

-Colossians 2:13-15 "When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."

-John 6:26-29 "Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”"

-Ephesians 2:8-9: " For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."

-Ephesians 1:13-14: "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory."

-Romans 7
Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code
What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin."



-John 3:14-15 " And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life."

what happened with Moses and the serpent in the wilderness? well when i read Numbers it made sense to me.. just look to Christ, believe in him. That's it.
-Numbers 21:6-9 "Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived."

~Romans 8:1-4 "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."


~Ephesians 1:13-14: "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory."


-Romans 9:30-32"What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone."


-John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

What exactly does believing the Son of God mean? I think this following verse explains it really well for me at least..

-1 John 5:10-13 "Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life."

 

[Christina97]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 says "drunkards" (among others) will NOT "inherit the kingdom of God". Are we to infer that they will be sent to Hell? Is it possible that drunkards go someplace else until they are purified of their alcoholism in order that they can, eventually, "inherit" the kingdom of Heaven?​

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1 Corinthians 6:9-11​

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9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


It says in the passage that they were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. I made a longer answer of bible verses that I think might answer your question above. (my other answer might be invisible at the moment, it says it has to be approved by a moderator first. Hopefully it'll get passed and you can see it.)

 

[EvolvingChristian]

At least Catholics believe in compromise. Half way houses.

The concept makes sense to me.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

1 Corinthians 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


It says in the passage that they were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. I made a longer answer of bible verses that I think might answer your question above. (my other answer might be invisible at the moment, it says it has to be approved by a moderator first. Hopefully it'll get passed and you can see it.)

I see. In other words, such people will not inherit the kingdom but Jesus "washed" them so that they could inherit the kingdom, correct???

 

[humble soul]

The concept makes sense to me.

Second chance mercy is appealing .

 

[Christina97]

I see. In other words, such people will not inherit the kingdom but Jesus "washed" them so that they could inherit the kingdom, correct???

I believe so
Idk if my other reply is visible or not so I'll copy/paste the reply here:
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I think if you have believed in the Son of God, you go to heaven whether you're a drunkard or not. none of us would be declared righteous by the works of the law.. not just drunkards... and we all need the Son of God to have eternal life. these are some of the bible verses that I believe show that.


-Romans 3:19-31 "Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."

-Colossians 2:13-15 "When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."

-John 6:26-29 "Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”"

-Ephesians 2:8-9: " For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."

-Ephesians 1:13-14: "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory."




-John 3:14-15 " And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life."

what happened with Moses and the serpent in the wilderness? well when i read Numbers it made sense to me.. just look to Christ, believe in him. That's it.
-Numbers 21:6-9 "Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived."

~Romans 8:1-4 "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."


~Ephesians 1:13-14: "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory."


-Romans 9:30-32"What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone."


-John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

What exactly does believing the Son of God mean? I think this following verse explains it really well for me at least..

-1 John 5:10-13 "Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life."

also i'd recommend reading the book of Romans, the whole thing.. the start of it seems scary, at least to me, but then it gets to the good part if you keep reading

 

[Quantrill]

Here is a thought.

(Rev. 2:17) indicates we as believers will have a new name given to us by God that only we and God know. So, what ever your name is now, it will not be the name you go by then.

Here is a scenario as to how this might be played out. Just my imagination and thought.

Earl Johnson is a Christian. He was a very worldly man before coming to Christ. Caught up in many sins. But he came to Christ and was born-again. Saved.

Earl struggled with sins from his former life, and though a Christian, he would stumble at times back into them. And he found himself guilty at times of those sins listed in (1 Cor. 6:9-10). It was a lifelong struggle.

Then Earl died. And guess what? He went to Heaven as an inheritor of the Kingdom of God. Well, satan is beside himself. he rushes up to the throne of God and screams what kind of justice is this. You let Earl Johnson into Heaven and he was guilty as a Christian of so many sins that it just makes my forked tail spin. satan then demand that Earl Johnson be cast into hell where he belongs.

The Father listens to this tirade and then turns to the Son. He says, Earl Johnson? I don't know any Earl Johnson. Do you? The Son looks up the records and says, no, there is no Earl Johnson in Heaven here. The only Earl Johnson we have record of died many years ago. So, satan, your're going to have to have to provide a little more information as to who you are talking about. All the people in Heaven here have been washed, sanctified, and justified. No sinners here. Do you have any more names?

(Rom. 4:17) "..God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were."

Quantrill

 

[JLB]

Here is a thought.

(Rev. 2:17) indicates we as believers will have a new name given to us by God that only we and God know. So, what ever your name is now, it will not be the name you go by then.

Here is a scenario as to how this might be played out. Just my imagination and thought.

Earl Johnson is a Christian. He was a very worldly man before coming to Christ. Caught up in many sins. But he came to Christ and was born-again. Saved.

Earl struggled with sins from his former life, and though a Christian, he would stumble at times back into them. And he found himself guilty at times of those sins listed in (1 Cor. 6:9-10). It was a lifelong struggle.

Then Earl died. And guess what? He went to Heaven as an inheritor of the Kingdom of God. Well, satan is beside himself. he rushes up to the throne of God and screams what kind of justice is this. You let Earl Johnson into Heaven and he was guilty as a Christian of so many sins that it just makes my forked tail spin. satan then demand that Earl Johnson be cast into hell where he belongs.

The Father listens to this tirade and then turns to the Son. He says, Earl Johnson? I don't know any Earl Johnson. Do you? The Son looks up the records and says, no, there is no Earl Johnson in Heaven here. The only Earl Johnson we have record of died many years ago. So, satan, your're going to have to have to provide a little more information as to who you are talking about. All the people in Heaven here have been washed, sanctified, and justified. No sinners here. Do you have any more names?

(Rom. 4:17) "..God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were."

Quantrill

What a wonderful thought.

God can indeed do whatever He wants to do, and is not bound by our limited understanding.


For now, we have His word to go by to instruct us in these matters. We have His Spirit to lead us as we study His word.


I was once a drunkerd and a drug user, which weakened me to do other sins. I struggled for years as a Christian. The Lord never rejected me through it all, but encouraged me to keep turning to Him, keep repenting, and getting back up and walking.


I eventually got free of these things by the power of His Spirit, by confessing my sins and getting good counsel from elder Christians, and remained free because I chose to live by the power of the Spirit, and keep myself built up on my most holy faith, and sowing to the Spirit. This is how we stay free.





JLB

 

[WIP]

I think if you have believed in the Son of God, you go to heaven whether you're a drunkard or not. NONE of us would be declared righteous by the works of the law.. not just drunkards... and we all need the Son of God to have eternal life. these are bible verses that I believe show that.

So, if one believes in the Son of God, what does that say about how that person will live? James says much about this. And Jesus too.

"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.” Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?” Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me."
John 14:21-24 NKJV

 

[for_his_glory]

There's a drying out clinic option in Purgatory.

I found this one day searching about purgatory, but never listed where I found it so this is not my work but have the Jerusalem Bible that has the books of Macabbes in and read the scriptures there.

2 Macabbes is where Catholics get their idea of a purgatory and that everyone will go to be with Christ when He returns. There is no purgatory as this is just something that man dreamed up and is not of God. In Psalms 88 we see Heman was asking God these three questions in vs. 10-12 as he was sore plexed in approching his own death and was not sure that he would escape the wrath of God in judgement and was wondering if those who died who are in the grave could hear Gods voice. Psalms 6:5; Hebrews 9:27; Matthew 8:21,22; 2 Corinthians 5:8-11; Revelation 14:13 are just for a few scriptures all state the grave is a place of unconscienceness where there is no memory and souls are not capable of anything as it is dark silence waiting that of Gods judgement at the end of time when Christ returns and separates the sheep from the goats. They have no knowledge, no comfort, no praise of God, and most assuredly, no power of intercession.

2 Macabbes 12:38-45 Judas Maccabaeus is speaking about the sacrifice for the fallen who were found to have pagan idols on them when they died and this was the reason for their death as it is against God to have such idols in ones posession. It was clear to everyone why these men lost their lives. All of them blest the Lord and gave themselves to prayer begging that the sin commited by those who died would be blotted out. Judas urged the people to keep themselves free from sin, seeing with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen. Judas then took a collection of money and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered. although a fine and nobel action in which he took full account of the resurrection. For if he had not expected the fallen to rise again it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. Whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who made a pious end, the though was holy and devout. This was why he had this atonement sacrifice offered for the dead so that they might be released from their sin.

Why the Maccabees Aren't in the Bible | My Jewish Learning

Why the Books of Maccabbees are not part of the Hebrew Bible

www.myjewishlearning.com

This is where the Roman Catholic Church came up with the concept of purgatory. Hopefully this will clear some things up we have been discussing. Also here is a good website that explains why the two books of Maccabees are not found in the KJV Bible

Why the Maccabees Aren't in the Bible | My Jewish Learning

Why the Books of Maccabbees are not part of the Hebrew Bible

www.myjewishlearning.com

Jerusalem Bible
2 Maccabees 12:38-45
The sacrifice for the fallen

12:38 Judas then rallied his army and moved on to the town of Adullam, and since the seventh day of the week had arrived they purified themselves according to custom and kept the sabbath in that place.
12:39 The next day they came to Judas (since the necessity was by now urgent) to have the bodies of the fallen taken up and laid to rest among their relatives in their ancestral tombs.
12:40 But when they found on each of the dead men, under their tunics, amulets of the idols taken from Jamnia, which the Law prohibits to Jews, it became clear to everyone that this was why these men had lost their lives.
12:41 All then blessed the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings hidden things to light,
12:42 and gave themselves to prayer, begging that the sin committed might be fully blotted out. Next, the valiant Judas urged the people to keep themselves free from all sin, having seen with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen;
12:43 after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmae, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an altogether fine and noble action, in which he took full account of the resurrection.
12:44 For if he had not expected the fallen to rise again it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead,
12:45 whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. This was why he had this atonement sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin.

 

[for_his_glory]

Only those who are Spiritually born again and baptized in the Holy Spirit will inherit the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Colossians 3:1-17 (to long to post)

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[humble soul]

I found this one day searching about purgatory, but never listed where I found it so this is not my work but have the Jerusalem Bible that has the books of Macabbes in and read the scriptures there.

2 Macabbes is where Catholics get their idea of a purgatory and that everyone will go to be with Christ when He returns. There is no purgatory as this is just something that man dreamed up and is not of God. In Psalms 88 we see Heman was asking God these three questions in vs. 10-12 as he was sore plexed in approching his own death and was not sure that he would escape the wrath of God in judgement and was wondering if those who died who are in the grave could hear Gods voice. Psalms 6:5; Hebrews 9:27; Matthew 8:21,22; 2 Corinthians 5:8-11; Revelation 14:13 are just for a few scriptures all state the grave is a place of unconscienceness where there is no memory and souls are not capable of anything as it is dark silence waiting that of Gods judgement at the end of time when Christ returns and separates the sheep from the goats. They have no knowledge, no comfort, no praise of God, and most assuredly, no power of intercession.

2 Macabbes 12:38-45 Judas Maccabaeus is speaking about the sacrifice for the fallen who were found to have pagan idols on them when they died and this was the reason for their death as it is against God to have such idols in ones posession. It was clear to everyone why these men lost their lives. All of them blest the Lord and gave themselves to prayer begging that the sin commited by those who died would be blotted out. Judas urged the people to keep themselves free from sin, seeing with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen. Judas then took a collection of money and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered. although a fine and nobel action in which he took full account of the resurrection. For if he had not expected the fallen to rise again it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. Whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who made a pious end, the though was holy and devout. This was why he had this atonement sacrifice offered for the dead so that they might be released from their sin.

Why the Maccabees Aren't in the Bible | My Jewish Learning

Why the Books of Maccabbees are not part of the Hebrew Bible

www.myjewishlearning.com

This is where the Roman Catholic Church came up with the concept of purgatory. Hopefully this will clear some things up we have been discussing. Also here is a good website that explains why the two books of Maccabees are not found in the KJV Bible

Why the Maccabees Aren't in the Bible | My Jewish Learning

Why the Books of Maccabbees are not part of the Hebrew Bible

www.myjewishlearning.com

Jerusalem Bible
2 Maccabees 12:38-45
The sacrifice for the fallen

12:38 Judas then rallied his army and moved on to the town of Adullam, and since the seventh day of the week had arrived they purified themselves according to custom and kept the sabbath in that place.
12:39 The next day they came to Judas (since the necessity was by now urgent) to have the bodies of the fallen taken up and laid to rest among their relatives in their ancestral tombs.
12:40 But when they found on each of the dead men, under their tunics, amulets of the idols taken from Jamnia, which the Law prohibits to Jews, it became clear to everyone that this was why these men had lost their lives.
12:41 All then blessed the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings hidden things to light,
12:42 and gave themselves to prayer, begging that the sin committed might be fully blotted out. Next, the valiant Judas urged the people to keep themselves free from all sin, having seen with their own eyes the effects of the sin of those who had fallen;
12:43 after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmae, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an altogether fine and noble action, in which he took full account of the resurrection.
12:44 For if he had not expected the fallen to rise again it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead,
12:45 whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. This was why he had this atonement sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin.

I know non Catholics hate those extra books we have. I'm not about to go down that rabbit hole. Of defending books like Macabees . I try to avoid all or nothing thinking. Purgatory might exist just like Hell might exist. No one has been there and come back to tell the story.