are the Catholics wrong?

[Sinthesis]

Just because something has *lasted* has no merit in and of itself. Sin and idolatry have also *lasted* since Eden. So what. How can any system *promote the work of Christ* when it strongly opposes the true Gospel and Bible truth. Study the Council of Trent and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

How does the RCC oppose the true Gospel and Bible truth?

 

[turnorburn]

Thank you turnorburn.
You are very nice.
I am not so nice.
Sorry.

Well you asked me what you should do, i can't tell you Rollo, sorry if i offended you.

tob

 

[turnorburn]

However, I did use Scripture in Post # 15 and you seemed to ignore that.
I was really wondering why you chose to ignore my post.
Maybe I just misunderstand.
It's easy to do that online.

i saw your post then made mine, didn't ignore you, sorry again..

tob

 

[Corn Pop]

Christ is preached in the RCC.
That's all that matters.
Some get saved in that church and some get saved coming out of it.
Either way, people get saved and that's all that matters.
Philippians 1:15-18:

How are they saved when they are told not to confess there sins to Christ but a priest?. I acturally would like to know as i dont have all the answers and think i know everything but from what i have read one must be born again and sins confessed to knowone but God alone through Christ as High Priest. Knowone comes to the father but through me.

It seems they keep everything material where others keep it spiritual.

 

[Blake]

I tend to side with the Orthodox all things considered. They too have made their changes throughout the ages, but I believe they are a little more rightly conservative than the Roman Catholics are. To answer your question, no, I don't think they're wrong. I think there are some things they do wrong as an institution, but I don't think God is angry at them as a whole... it is a very individualized thing. I admire the more learned and practiced Catholics and Orthodox who don't let themselves merely go through the motions and live out holy lives. I think there are souls in this world who lean more towards liturgical worship and sacramental faith and, if their heart and motives are pure, that God honors it. But I don't believe that a righteous Protestant is missing very much in comparison to his Roman brothers and sisters.

 

[Douglas Summers]

I have Catholic envy. Not that I'm gung ho about converting, its just...

1) the church has been around for 2,000 years (2) they don't really have "church splits." I mean, there was the Reformation, yeah, but...since then, its been pretty stable. (3) I read on a Catholic website that they consider themselves a "bastion of light" (I think that's right) in a "world of darkness." OK. I did read some Pope John Paul II paper on The culture of death, which was fascinating, I'll give them that much. This sort of leads into my final thought...(4) They've preserved a sense of the sacred. Yes, I know...Vatican II was a big deal, yeah, but overall...I think they're less influenced by the surrounding culture than most Protestant denominations.

I just don't get Catholic beliefs, that's all. I mean...Saints? Like, Cosmic Buddies? The Rosary?

Are they wrong? And...are they so wrong that it messes up any hope of salvation through the church? Oh, yeah...thought (5) Christian life is experienced in more of a group setting in Catholicism. Back in the 19th century, Emile Durkheim, the Grand-pappy of Sociologists everywhere, wrote Suicide, a book about the social factors that lead to self-murder. Anyway, Catholics and Jews had lower rates than Protestants. Jews don't have specific rules against suicide. Catholics, of course, do. The difference was that both catholics and Jews had tighter family and community bonds, lower divorce rates. Protestants tended to be more individualistic, which I think has gone to a kind of extreme in 21st century, US culture...or maybe I'm wrong.

Hi empowered. Christ empowered and Catholicism is an oxymoron. To be Christ empowered is to be just that. To be born again with the Spirit of Christ (Holy Spirit). Catholicism is to be under the influence of a high priest voted in by man. Men have usurped the authority of Christ in many denominations. But The Lord's body is an equal brotherhood. (a kingdom of priest and kings) (Rev. 1: 4-6; 1 Peter 2: 5; 9). In (Rev. 2: 6; 15) the word "Nicolitans" is a compound Greek word, "Niko - laos" meaning (over comer or victorious over the people). They set up a clergy to rule over the laity. Trust The Lord our God and the doctrine of Christ.(1 Tim. 6: 13; Act 13: 12 John 7: 16: 18: 19);...not of men's self willed worship and there interpretation of the Scripture. (Col. 2: 18- 23) (1 Pet. 2: 22-25)

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[Douglas Summers]

I have Catholic envy. Not that I'm gung ho about converting, its just...

1) the church has been around for 2,000 years (2) they don't really have "church splits." I mean, there was the Reformation, yeah, but...since then, its been pretty stable. (3) I read on a Catholic website that they consider themselves a "bastion of light" (I think that's right) in a "world of darkness." OK. I did read some Pope John Paul II paper on The culture of death, which was fascinating, I'll give them that much. This sort of leads into my final thought...(4) They've preserved a sense of the sacred. Yes, I know...Vatican II was a big deal, yeah, but overall...I think they're less influenced by the surrounding culture than most Protestant denominations.

I just don't get Catholic beliefs, that's all. I mean...Saints? Like, Cosmic Buddies? The Rosary?

Are they wrong? And...are they so wrong that it messes up any hope of salvation through the church? Oh, yeah...thought (5) Christian life is experienced in more of a group setting in Catholicism. Back in the 19th century, Emile Durkheim, the Grand-pappy of Sociologists everywhere, wrote Suicide, a book about the social factors that lead to self-murder. Anyway, Catholics and Jews had lower rates than Protestants. Jews don't have specific rules against suicide. Catholics, of course, do. The difference was that both catholics and Jews had tighter family and community bonds, lower divorce rates. Protestants tended to be more individualistic, which I think has gone to a kind of extreme in 21st century, US culture...or maybe I'm wrong.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican30a.htm Here is just one site of many to study.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

How are they saved when they are told not to confess there sins to Christ but a priest?. I acturally would like to know as i dont have all the answers and think i know everything but from what i have read one must be born again and sins confessed to knowone but God alone through Christ as High Priest. Knowone comes to the father but through me.

It seems they keep everything material where others keep it spiritual.

If you really want to know, then go into one of their Cathedrals and sit down quietly all alone and pray to Jesus, and see what happens.

 

[turnorburn]

How are they saved when they are told not to confess there sins to Christ but a priest?. I acturally would like to know as i dont have all the answers and think i know everything but from what i have read one must be born again and sins confessed to knowone but God alone through Christ as High Priest. Knowone comes to the father but through me.

It seems they keep everything material where others keep it spiritual.

We don't need their priests Dan we already have one..

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

tob

 

[Douglas Summers]

If you really want to know, then go into one of their Cathedrals and sit down quietly all alone and pray to Jesus, and see what happens.

Hi Rollo, Why do you have to go to a Cathedral to pray? Actually we are to pray to The Father in Christ name. The Lord gave us access to the Father through His payment of our sins.(Rom. 5: 1-3) John 16: 22-28)

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Hi Rollo, Why do you have to go to a Cathedral to pray? Actually we are to pray to The Father in Christ name. The Lord gave us access to the Father through His payment of our sins.(Rom. 5: 1-3) John 16: 22-28)

In Christ
Douglas Summers

Kiwidan wanted to understand Roman Catholicism.
You don't do that standing on the outside looking through a narrow window.

 

[turnorburn]

Before my wife was saved she wanted me to attend a catholic church in a quite community on the other side of town, this in order to show me that the stories I'd been hearing about them adoring Mary were lies, so i went.. First thing my eyes fastened on was a life size alabaster statue of Mary right where a pulpit would sit, complete with a crown and several rows of beads.. Rollo is right, if you want hands on experience go for it..

tob

 

[Corn Pop]

If you really want to know, then go into one of their Cathedrals and sit down quietly all alone and pray to Jesus, and see what happens.

Religious places freak me out like really old cathedrals. Its scary.

I could picture walking inside and see all there really old idols and medievil seats and like hearing voices of gregorian priests singing and this old man taps me on the shoulder wearing his godly garment and says with a quiet humble voice. "come my son, have a seat, the lord be with you my son".

I would freak and run out the door. Im not good dealing with ancient religious spiritual stuff.

 

[reba]

O dear... How has this thread slipped by,,, closed
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