Are unbelievers resurrected?

[theWind]

2 Peter 2:20. But, look at the entire context. You'll see it isn't really saying what you think it's saying:

2Pe 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. (ESV)

The whole chapter is about false prophets. It stands to reason then, that "the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" isn't referring to salvation. It can't be--it's speaking of false prophets "who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."


Such people are not saved and so, yes, will be among all the unsaved, all the unbelievers, who will be resurrected "unto the resurrection of damnation." Just as Rev 20:11-15 shows. There is absolutely no basis for believing that Rev 20:11-15 only refers to those who were once Christian.

You just love Rev. 20. You're putting all your eggs into a very unreliable basket.

Can you tell me why Rev. 20:5 says that the resurrection that comes at the end of the Millennium, that begins when Christ returns per Pre-Mil doctrine, is the First Resurrection when it's clearly a later resurrection than the one in John 5? The "rest of the dead" won't live again until that time 1,000 years later and you accept that it is the First Resurrection?

Not good. Not good at all.

 

[Free]

You just love Rev. 20. You're putting all your eggs into a very unreliable basket.

Can you tell me why Rev. 20:5 says that the resurrection that comes at the end of the Millennium, that begins when Christ returns per Pre-Mil doctrine, is the First Resurrection when it's clearly a later resurrection than the one in John 5? The "rest of the dead" won't live again until that time 1,000 years later and you accept that it is the First Resurrection?

Not good. Not good at all.

My basket is fine. There are many disagreements as to what and when the Millennium is, what the first resurrection is referring to, whether there is more than one resurrection, and as to when Christ returns. The resurrection in John 5:29 would appear to be the same as that in Rev 20:12-13.

To me, none of that is relevant to what Rev 20:11-15 clearly states what happens at the Judgement. The Judgement occurs when it does, and any whose names are not written in the book of life--all unbelievers--are judged and thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

To be annihilated upon physical death, and never exist again for all eternity, is a pretty bad deal. I don't know anybody who would like the idea of that. It horrified the fallen angels.

It made them angry. They refused to let their pride down. They didn't like being shown they were on the outside.

There's something very strange about how God divided Heaven and earth, because when sinners are made aware that they're on the outside, sometimes they refuse to let their pride down and become angry.

What sense does it make for God to send people to torment in hell, even if it is temporary,

It makes perfect sense, when we realize they're being tormented, embarrassed, humiliated by Christs' light illuminating every sin they've ever committed. After the truth is told, that's the end of all unbelievers.

if they've never had and knowledge/understanding of Him or His Ways?

I was trying to get you to see how all have knowledge of his ways,

Did they not hear? yes, indeed, 'to all the earth their voice went forth, and to the ends of the habitable world their sayings.' Rom.10:18

Yet, those whom He has blessed and given Light and Life and Freedom, etc., owe everything to Him. If they choose to turn from all that He has given, and promised, them, unfortunate as it may be, they deserve a harsher punishment.

Of course,

I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. Mt.11:22

That is not what I am teaching, willy-nilly. It is what the Bible teaches and I, for one, can admit that it makes perfect sense to me.

It makes perfect sense to any sinner who believes he isn't going to answer for his own wrongdoing.

Too many people have too little reverence for God these days. He deserves all the glory and He deserves our full commitment to His Word and His Ways.

I know. I had such little respect for our God.
He got a lot of disrespect when he appeared the 1st time. His body (his followers) still gets a lot of disrespect.
You would think being Ambassadors' for the King of all creation, no higher Authority anywhere, everyone in his Kingdom would be glad to see us. Reigning with him isn't always easy.
I don't think we should be glad when his reign ends though. It says,

Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. Amo.5:18

But I'm sure this is about his first appearance, because next time he exposes all creation to his presence, burning whatever is perishable.

 

[Marci]

In the beginning we are asked to do two things. Believe in Christ and love thy neighbor as thyself. Then we are given the invitation to join the family of God through salvation. When the resurrected are called and only those who hear him will rise....that means they're Christians and have been saved and are going to meet him in Glory which is what I have gleaned off everything I've read. So if that's the case, who do you think will be the caller for the unbelievers? If they're to be resurrected for the purpose of going to hell. However, that one verse already stated that those who couldn't hear the voice of Jesus would remain in their graves and in their deaths. So how can they be resurrected? If you don't believe in God then how can you believe that you'll rise from the grave for any reason other than to go to Heaven? How can you believe you'd be resurrected at all? No belief = Eternal Darkness. I think the last time I did some reading God gives one last chance for those living through the tribulation to change their minds and turn to him. Is that what you mean about unbelievers or are you basing this strictly in the rapture?

 

[eddif]

In the beginning we are asked to do two things. Believe in Christ and love thy neighbor as thyself. Then we are given the invitation to join the family of God through salvation. When the resurrected are called and only those who hear him will rise....that means they're Christians and have been saved and are going to meet him in Glory which is what I have gleaned off everything I've read. So if that's the case, who do you think will be the caller for the unbelievers? If they're to be resurrected for the purpose of going to hell. However, that one verse already stated that those who couldn't hear the voice of Jesus would remain in their graves and in their deaths. So how can they be resurrected? If you don't believe in God then how can you believe that you'll rise from the grave for any reason other than to go to Heaven? How can you believe you'd be resurrected at all? No belief = Eternal Darkness. I think the last time I did some reading God gives one last chance for those living through the tribulation to change their minds and turn to him. Is that what you mean about unbelievers or are you basing this strictly in the rapture?

Lot of questions.
I think we learned a lot.
1 Corinthians 15:45 kjv
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Philippians 2:13 kjv
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Matthew 28:19 kjv
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Repentance
Eternal life in Christ
Power to be a witness

All things about:
Resurrection
Going into all the world
Teaching all things

2 Peter 1:5 kjv
5. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6. And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7. And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Matthew 13:27 kjv
27. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28. He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29. But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

We seldom discuss the bundles location.

We actually seldom discuss the barn.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[theWind]

It made them angry. They refused to let their pride down. They didn't like being shown they were on the outside.

Not according to Enoch.

Did they not hear? yes, indeed, 'to all the earth their voice went forth, and to the ends of the habitable world their sayings.' Rom.10:18

They can't all hear.
John 10:27
John 6:43, 47

 

[theWind]

My basket is fine. There are many disagreements as to what and when the Millennium is, what the first resurrection is referring to, whether there is more than one resurrection, and as to when Christ returns. The resurrection in John 5:29 would appear to be the same as that in Rev 20:12-13.

So you're Amil today, huh?

That makes sense.

To me, none of that is relevant to what Rev 20:11-15 clearly states what happens at the Judgement. The Judgement occurs when it does, and any whose names are not written in the book of life--all unbelievers--are judged and thrown into the lake of fire.

It's very relevant because you've been claiming all along that there's two resurrections, one at Christ's return which raises the saints in their graves and the saints that are alive and remain (1 Thess. 4:16-17), and one a thousand years later that raises the wicked, the rest of the dead. That second resurrection, according to you is when the unbelievers would be resurrected.

Interestingly, 2 Thess. 1:7-9 says that Christ takes fiery vengeance on all those that do not know God and obey not the Gospel when He returns. Does that sound like resurrecting unbelievers to you?

NOW, you're claiming there's only one resurrection that takes place in John 5 which is THE resurrection that takes place upon Christ's return and takes place within the same hour. John 5:28

My understanding of the Scriptures fits all the various end times passages much better than yours. You even admit your Rev. 20 is a big mess that nobody can agree upon. Yet, if you look at it as I've presented it, that it is simply the current kingdom of heaven that culminates in Christ's return, all those problems align perfectly.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Not according to Enoch.

They can't all hear.
John 10:27
John 6:43, 47

I'm not playing ping pong. If you can't reconcile what I cited with what you cited, you have a problem. I already showed how they agree perfectly.

 

[theWind]

I'm not playing ping pong. If you can't reconcile what I cited with what you cited, you have a problem. I already showed how they agree perfectly.

I'm not playing Donkey Kong. If you can't handle a conversation with courtesy and respect, you have a problem.

They can't all hear.

Enoch showed the Nephilim crying, begging and pleading for God's forgiveness and mercy. Not being boastful and prideful.

As Free puts it, your understanding is not correct.

 

[Free]

So you're Amil today, huh?

That makes sense.

I've never stated what my position is, as it doesn't matter. You shouldn't presume what others believe.

It's very relevant because you've been claiming all along that there's two resurrections, one at Christ's return which raises the saints in their graves and the saints that are alive and remain (1 Thess. 4:16-17), and one a thousand years later that raises the wicked, the rest of the dead. That second resurrection, according to you is when the unbelievers would be resurrected.

That's interesting since I don't think I've mentioned that passage nor that there are two resurrections. But the language of Rev 20:5--"The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection."--seems to suggest there are at least two resurrections. It is worth noting that "This is the first resurrection" doesn't apply to "The rest of the dead" who are raised after the thousand years, but rather to those who "came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years," at the end of verse 4.

But, there is disagreement about that.

Interestingly, 2 Thess. 1:7-9 says that Christ takes fiery vengeance on all those that do not know God and obey not the Gospel when He returns. Does that sound like resurrecting unbelievers to you?

It suggests nothing either way. That is why we look to other passages such as those I've given.

NOW, you're claiming there's only one resurrection that takes place in John 5 which is THE resurrection that takes place upon Christ's return and takes place within the same hour. John 5:28

No, that isn't what I'm claiming. You need to pay a bit closer attention to what I said. I said that "The resurrection in John 5:29 would appear to be the same as that in Rev 20:12-13." That is to say nothing of Rev 20:4-6.

My understanding of the Scriptures fits all the various end times passages much better than yours.

Not really, but I wouldn't care if it did. I don't care all that much for eschatology. There are much more worthwhile things to spend one's time on, such as the deity of Jesus and the Trinity. Those are salvific issues, eschatology is not. What's going to happen is what's going to happen and it is better that one's heart is prepared than if they are right about whether there is one or two resurrections. In the end, those whose hearts are not right will be thrown into the lake of fire, as per Rev 20:11-15.

You even admit your Rev. 20 is a big mess that nobody can agree upon.

That isn't what I've said. You taken a bit of what I said run amok with it. I was speaking of eschatology in general, some of which has to do with the first half of Rev 20. The last half of Rev 20 is very clear and straightforward. As I stated:

To me, none of that is relevant to what Rev 20:11-15 clearly states what happens at the Judgement. The Judgement occurs when it does, and any whose names are not written in the book of life--all unbelievers--are judged and thrown into the lake of fire.

Yet, if you look at it as I've presented it, that it is simply the current kingdom of heaven that culminates in Christ's return, all those problems align perfectly.

Except for the fact that unbelievers are resurrected, judged, and thrown into the lake of fire.

As Free puts it, your understanding is not correct.

Once again, you need to pay closer attention to what I said, which is: "It strongly suggests that your understanding of those verses is not correct." There is a difference between saying something is the case and saying something appears to be the case. When every single person, and some who disagree on a number of things eschatological, agree that you are misunderstanding something, it is a sign that you could just be wrong, and you need to listen.