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Are we getting used to sin.., or are we 'christianising' worldliness

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Are we getting used to sin, or are we 'christianising' that which we used to call worldliness?


My sister-in-law partially lives with us. She comes home to us after school and goes back to her brother at night. The holidays are almost over - so, we still have our relatives and in-laws with us.

She is a teenager. She walked in today and was sharing something with me. After the message she departed. I suddenly noticed her skirt was a bit high up her body, and the regions from her knees and down to her feet were seen. It wasn't too bad, anyway.

Several years ago no female (even non-christians) wore such skirts, or mini/short skirts were not worn - unless the person is loose. No christian wore that in church. In fact, women used to cover their entire legs. Long skirts were common. You don't reveal your cleavage, your arms are completely (probably) covered.

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No female christian wears extremely long skirts today (except very few who are thought are insufferable bores). The regions below the knees are now seen today. People think it is okay, but when you wear extremely long skirts you're seen as a masquerade or a geek. You are oldfashioned. You would be laughed at.


In some churches in those days(perhaps in all churches), women were not allowed to wear make-up. You don't wear lipstick. People who wore red lipstick were seen as whores. Women never wore necklaces and bangles to church (it was not allowed in my church in those days - however people wear them today). No fixing of nails, no painting of nails. No weavons, no attachment - a particular hairdo was allowed. You easily notice a christian sister/brother


Today, people wear red lipstick, fix long nails and paint them, wear weavons and attachment, jewelery etc.
You can perm your hair today, retouch it, fry it, bake it, roast it, boil it:lol...

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In churches men had their own seats and women had theirs (it was not a law in my church that women and men should sit separately - couples/people kind of did it unconsciously, or whatever). A man rarely sopke to a woman; a woman rarely spoke to a man. Sisters mind sisters' stuff and brothers mind brothers' stuff - and you nearly don't laugh in church.
Today, we mix up with the opposite sex (you can sit wherever you like).


How do you view these changes? What would you call these changes? Hypocrisy? Is it a sin? Are we getting modernised in the Lord.
 
Christianity no longer means what it used to. Since we have done away with righteousness and called it self-righteousness, it is seen as uncool to do what is right.

All this detracts from the real purpose of the new creation in Christ. We are to carry the death of Jesus in the world so that the life of Jesus would be made manifest.

But we have exchanged the truth for a religion that denies the cross.
 
I would never call a woman a whore, even if she was promiscuous, because I think that's mean. However, girls and women should realize that they're drawing the wrong kind of attention by wearing provocative clothing. They need to realize that males get very easily aroused, sexually, with that type of clothing. The guys they're attracting don't respect them for who they are. They just see them as a sex object mostly.

I don't think women and men should necessarily sit separately though or that makeup is such a bad thing. I do agree that some of the mini-skirts are a bit much though. I'm not saying we should ban mini-skirts, but I think we should be conscious about what effect it might have on culture. I don't think women should feel like they have to wear makeup to be attractive either.
 
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Maybe we should go back to stoning these women, that would teach em!

Of course we shouldn't do that. Jesus intervened in the stoning of a sexually promiscuous woman and ministered to prostitutes. The idea should be to stop degradation of women, and that would include not putting all the blame solely on them for social decay and ruin.
 
outward appearance of the inward sin....

I remember when a Christian lady was expected to be about 10 years behind the fashion curve...

No Godly woman would be seen in anything fashionable.... Guess what there was sin in the churches then.....

I have a strong lack of trust of men who wish to cover up a woman because of the mans lust.

Yes i believe men and women should dress appropriately. I am thinking of the girls who could not wear bathing suits but some how the wet T shirt was OK?

Modest dress should be taught & exampled. To some extent modest to the culture along side Bible
 
Yes, worldliness is creeping into the church. But not everything you describe is a bad thing (eg. women wearing makeup, men and women sitting together, and so on). The bible preaches modesty but not total rejection in this area.

The worldliness that is concerning is coming from the pastor. Liberal theology and preaching over topics like the bible is not the inerrant word of God, Jesus isn't the only way to salvation, no need to repent of sin, homosexuality is acceptable and encouraged, and so on is the real danger.

I pray for those who are sitting in a liberal church, unsaved and living with sin and gross immorality in their lives, thinking nothing is wrong because the pastor can explain it all away.
 
When the church can't be distinguished from society, I think it's clear society is influencing the church more than the other way around.

- Davies
 
Decorum is important but it would disgrace the Lord Jesus were I to subject myself to jewish* laws and commandments of men

* Pentecostal

*Baptist

*Catholic

*fillintheblank
 
I have a strong lack of trust of men who wish to cover up a woman because of the mans lust.

Same here, Reba.

Men, instead of consigning Christian women to whoredom, just because she dresses in a skirt or shorts...start gaining what the Holy Spirit gifts to all of us...a little thing called "self-control".

There is a real difference between a Christian woman who dresses in a skirt that comes above the knee and "dressing provocatively". There is also a real difference between wearing any kind of make-up (red lipstick included) and making up oneself to look like a tart.

Different guys are aroused at different levels. For some of you guys out there...just seeing the woman's curves are enough...others, a woman wearing shorts and a tee shirt isn't going to set him off.

For us women... we have no idea what is going to set any individual man off. So, guys, get a handle on yourselves and don't expect that we women are to wear burkas just to keep some of you weakminded guys "safe".

And, guess what...we women deal with temptations and lusts as well. Shall we start dictating to you that you need to wear long flowing robes like Abraham or Issac did?

Rather...let's all just realize that we need to exercise self-control...that's why the Holy Spirit gifts it to us.

If I sound rather grumpy on the issue, it's because I have to work with a 14 year old girl who struggles with today's "prosti-tot" fashions, trying her hardest to dress appropriately, yet fashionably as well. She does a fairly decent job of it...even with the current trend of fabrics the thickness of Kleenex and everything with "spaghetti straps"...

It is really difficult for Christian girls to even find clothes to buy that are fashionable, yet appropriate...dragging up the idea that wearing anything that "reveals" arms and legs as being "immodest" or "tempting" is an aggravating burden to put on our girls who are already struggling.
 
as a man who struggles with lusting eyes. i dont hold the females in my church accountable when they do wear modest clothing. a man that has that issue, to him it wont matter then what they wear. our minds fill in the blank:nono2

oh to be set free from this curse.
 
I would never call a woman a whore, even if she was promiscuous, because I think that's mean. .
Today prostitution is common. A girl involved in it is seen as a business girl. It doesn't shock people anymore that that lady over there is a prostitute or business girl. They are everywhere. Prostitution is becoming a way of life, somehow (just for emphasis sake)


So, in those days, it was a very big abomination, and mean languages were used against the women involved. And the advert was 'wearing redlipstick', chewing gum etc...by which they were known.

It has gone beyond wearing red lipstick or chewing gum. They now are almost naked in the streets. (And it grieves my heart when our own daughters dress like THEM when they are not actually THEM)


So the mean languages were used against them in those days when prostitution was a big secret (or uncommon), was a big abomination.
 
Yes, worldliness is creeping into the church. But not everything you describe is a bad thing (eg. women wearing makeup, men and women sitting together, and so on). .
Thank you, Car:wave
Not all is bad, just that most people in those days were uncomfortable doing it.
 
Same here, Reba.

Men, instead of consigning Christian women to whoredom, just because she dresses in a skirt or shorts...start gaining what the Holy Spirit gifts to all of us...a little thing called "self-control".

There is a real difference between a Christian woman who dresses in a skirt that comes above the knee and "dressing provocatively". There is also a real difference between wearing any kind of make-up (red lipstick included) and making up oneself to look like a tart.

Different guys are aroused at different levels. For some of you guys out there...just seeing the woman's curves are enough...others, a woman wearing shorts and a tee shirt isn't going to set him off.

For us women... we have no idea what is going to set any individual man off. So, guys, get a handle on yourselves and don't expect that we women are to wear burkas just to keep some of you weakminded guys "safe".

And, guess what...we women deal with temptations and lusts as well. Shall we start dictating to you that you need to wear long flowing robes like Abraham or Issac did?

Rather...let's all just realize that we need to exercise self-control...that's why the Holy Spirit gifts it to us.

If I sound rather grumpy on the issue, it's because I have to work with a 14 year old girl who struggles with today's "prosti-tot" fashions, trying her hardest to dress appropriately, yet fashionably as well. She does a fairly decent job of it...even with the current trend of fabrics the thickness of Kleenex and everything with "spaghetti straps"...

It is really difficult for Christian girls to even find clothes to buy that are fashionable, yet appropriate...dragging up the idea that wearing anything that "reveals" arms and legs as being "immodest" or "tempting" is an aggravating burden to put on our girls who are already struggling.

Thanks, Dora:nod
Men should in fact dress like Moses and Aaron - they should wear stuff made of lead blocks. Men too, can seduce women.
 
Same here, Reba.

Men, instead of consigning Christian women to whoredom, just because she dresses in a skirt or shorts...start gaining what the Holy Spirit gifts to all of us...a little thing called "self-control".

For us women... we have no idea what is going to set any individual man off. So, guys, get a handle on yourselves and don't expect that we women are to wear burkas just to keep some of you weakminded guys "safe".

Rather...let's all just realize that we need to exercise self-control...that's why the Holy Spirit gifts it to us.

I think the why to self-control is the key to this issue and for most issues for that matter. If we make rules for one another, then we're just creating a self-righteous moralism, but if we are about the business of believing in the Lord, I think we'll act appropriately towards one another. Although I find these statements to be incendiary, I can understand the sentiment. Perhaps if we were busy with delighting in the Lord, what the other sex wears will be a non-issue.

Psalm 37:4
New King James Version (NKJV)

4 Delight yourself also in the LORD,
And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

- Davies
 
For women ; Skirts over the knee

Men; Jacket and tie with a Conway Twitty processed do.

Now with every eye bowed and every head closed please slip your hand up
 
Are we getting used to sin, or are we 'christianising' that which we used to call worldliness?


My sister-in-law partially lives with us. She comes home to us after school and goes back to her brother at night. The holidays are almost over - so, we still have our relatives and in-laws with us.

She is a teenager. She walked in today and was sharing something with me. After the message she departed. I suddenly noticed her skirt was a bit high up her body, and the regions from her knees and down to her feet were seen. It wasn't too bad, anyway.

Several years ago no female (even non-christians) wore such skirts, or mini/short skirts were not worn - unless the person is loose. No christian wore that in church. In fact, women used to cover their entire legs. Long skirts were common. You don't reveal your cleavage, your arms are completely (probably) covered.

-----
No female christian wears extremely long skirts today (except very few who are thought are insufferable bores). The regions below the knees are now seen today. People think it is okay, but when you wear extremely long skirts you're seen as a masquerade or a geek. You are oldfashioned. You would be laughed at.


In some churches in those days(perhaps in all churches), women were not allowed to wear make-up. You don't wear lipstick. People who wore red lipstick were seen as whores. Women never wore necklaces and bangles to church (it was not allowed in my church in those days - however people wear them today). No fixing of nails, no painting of nails. No weavons, no attachment - a particular hairdo was allowed. You easily notice a christian sister/brother


Today, people wear red lipstick, fix long nails and paint them, wear weavons and attachment, jewelery etc.
You can perm your hair today, retouch it, fry it, bake it, roast it, boil it:lol...

----
In churches men had their own seats and women had theirs (it was not a law in my church that women and men should sit separately - couples/people kind of did it unconsciously, or whatever). A man rarely sopke to a woman; a woman rarely spoke to a man. Sisters mind sisters' stuff and brothers mind brothers' stuff - and you nearly don't laugh in church.
Today, we mix up with the opposite sex (you can sit wherever you like).


How do you view these changes? What would you call these changes? Hypocrisy? Is it a sin? Are we getting modernised in the Lord.

I think a lot of churches are giving their blessing to sin. It bothers me a lot.
 
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