Are We Now Ready To Fight Or To Die?

[Jesse]

The country we live in is secular in nature. The bible labels it as "the world" and states we are not to conform to that world. If we were to take up arms and side with the world, where does that leave Jesus?

Think about it.

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What you are proposing is that we only protect that which is a direct attack to our families, but if someone is attacking the town in which our families reside, we sit back and do nothing until the time they end up on our front step. It's not leaving Jesus, it's using our God given abilities to stop evil and our God given ability to protect our families.

Just a side note so you understand where I'm coming from this, not that it will make a difference, but my dad was abusive to the point where he put me in the hospital and then my parents blamed someone else for the beating, this is the story of my childhood. The person who was supposed to protect me, was the perpetrator, this is an example of not protecting someone who was to be protected.

So then what we have are people saying that if they were there, they would not have protected me either....like LD keeps proclaiming, she would not protect a child, that is more evil than the person who is doing the attacking and THEN she continues with claiming that those who would protect are without the Holy Spirit.

It's messed up and in no way the god that I read of in the Bible.

 

[Gary]

What you are proposing is that we only protect that which is a direct attack to our families, but if someone is attacking the town in which our families reside, we sit back and do nothing until the time they end up on our front step. It's not leaving Jesus, it's using our God given abilities to stop evil and our God given ability to protect our families.

Just a side note so you understand where I'm coming from this, not that it will make a difference, but my dad was abusive to the point where he put me in the hospital and then my parents blamed someone else for the beating, this is the story of my childhood. The person who was supposed to protect me, was the perpetrator, this is an example of not protecting someone who was to be protected.

So then what we have are people saying that if they were there, they would not have protected me either....like LD keeps proclaiming, she would not protect a child, that is more evil than the person who is doing the attacking and THEN she continues with claiming that those who would protect are without the Holy Spirit.

It's messed up and in no way the god that I read of in the Bible.

Well there's really nothing more for me to say. You have your understanding, I have mine.

like LD keeps proclaiming, she would not protect a child, that is more evil than the person who is doing the attacking and THEN she continues with claiming that those who would protect are without the Holy Spirit.

Would you mind directing me to the post where that statement is made?

Thanks.

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[Jesse]

Would you mind directing me to the post where that statement is made?

Thanks.

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Sure, to start with - in this thread - #61, 70 and 80 - she has said it countless times on this forum. It's the same same with her, the lives of a loved ones are not worth defending.

If a person won't defend a child OR a loved one, they are worse than the abuser and should be prosecuted with a heavier sentence. There is no excuse.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The country we live in is secular in nature. The bible labels it as "the world" and states we are not to conform to that world. If we were to take up arms and side with the world, where does that leave Jesus?

Think about it.

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Gary,
You're teaching New Covenant junk. You cannot separate the Old Testament, the very Bible Jesus taught, put it into the trash and ignore it. Jesus was not here as the Warrior King but when He walks through that concreted wall in Jerusalem He will rule with a rod of iron. Jesus' mission this first time was to be the sacrifice for our sin and while He was here He shed some, further, light on applying scripture to our lives.

The Bible, itself, was complete about 400 years before He appeared to us. As for Christians in the Army, it is our mission to be an influence on everybody in the World, that includes the armys of this world that are composed of men. King David was a man with blood on his hands and, still, God/Jesus named him a man after God's own heart. When and if we are saved, we enter into the LORD's Army. Your position is not scriptural.

 

[Gary]

Gary,
You're teaching New Covenant junk.

Okay.

I would recommend that you report me. Maybe even try and get me banned for spreading lies.

You have a nice day.

 

[Gary]

Sure, to start with - in this thread - #61, 70 and 80 - she has said it countless times on this forum. It's the same same with her, the lives of a loved ones are not worth defending.

I would like to see where she said it just once. Those 3 posts do not say what you claim they say. Read them again without looking between the lines. Read what it says, not what you want it to say.



I think I'm done here. :yes



POST #61

Anyone who has the attitude, kill or be killed. That is not of God.
Matthew 12:26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself.
If you are born of Spirit, you can look past the here and now. You even go as far as to pray for those persecuting you. I pray for those who have tortured others. They are not the devil, the devil wants to devour whatever he can. The devil can enter people (Judas), but they could also be delivered. (the demon-possessed man) Matt 12:22

Wow, as I was typing.....I realized those scriptures were in the same conversation that Jesus was having

POST #70

To answer the question to the title of this post.

I am ready to fight the spiritual battle with my death.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is - his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I used to think I would do anything to save myself and my loved ones, but I am not afraid of death anymore. And the torture I may encounter in this lifetime, would not compare to an eternity in hell.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

People think hell is a joke. I'm not laughing.

POST #80

Thank you all for responding. I get the sense that I am being misunderstood, in some way. I will use myself as a living sacrifice for others. That means I will put myself in the way....I will take the chance. I will not use any force to accomplish God's purpose. I see this as God's calling on a Christian life. Why would anyone be "better" than an evil one if they are doing the same thing?

Things are not the same since Jesus showed up in his body. You can't say I am doing God's will, by killing people. By the way..........Islamists are doing that. Since the Holy Spirit can enter flesh since Jesus went back to heaven.......the Holy Spirit is the one who gives us the strength to be that sacrifice.

I am not taking scripture out of context. If you can show me a Christian in the New Testament that had a justifiable killing. I will denounce myself as Christian. So, Christian military is an oxymoron.

 

[Northman]

Oh Bill

"A new commandment i give unto you...."

 

[th1b.taylor]

Okay.

I would recommend that you report me. Maybe even try and get me banned for spreading lies.

You have a nice day.

Gary,
we are not called to push people out, we are called to be iron sharpening iron. You have professed to be of the Christ and now it is the task of every Christian to rub their influence onto you.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Oh Bill

"A new commandment i give unto you...."

I'm sorry but what?

 

[Gary]

Gary,
we are not called to push people out, we are called to be iron sharpening iron. You have professed to be of the Christ and now it is the task of every Christian to rub their influence onto you.

Influence me with some scripture that mandates we take up arms against the world.

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[th1b.taylor]

Influence me with some scripture that mandates we take up arms against the world.

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Just off the top of my head Abraham rescuing Lot and the entire city's belongings and just about all of the life of David beginning with his killing the nine foot tall giant.

 

[Gary]

Just off the top of my head Abraham rescuing Lot and the entire city's belongings and just about all of the life of David beginning with his killing the nine foot tall giant.

Under the New Covenant. Where are we instructed to take up arms against the world under the New Covenant?

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[LovethroughDove]

This is somewhat directed towards Jesse. I have never said I would not protect my children. I have said I would never kill another person in order to protect my children.

I am a parent. Pretty sure you are not? Anything can happen to my child. My children could get some terminal disease and die, am I going to hate God for that? No, my children are his. Yes, I am responsible for them..........but who am I to take someone else's child life? Are my kids anymore special than the next person's kid?

The world has groups and "I am more important than you"..... In God's kingdom......it does not work that way. In God's kingdom, we are ALL under God's rule.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Under the New Covenant. Where are we instructed to take up arms against the world under the New Covenant?

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Gary,
What you call the New Covenant is the God ordained Life Application Commentary on the Bible. If you will get a Chain Reference Bible you will see that the New Testament is exactly as I teach it to be. Jesus, Himself, taught that the Law and the Prophets would never loose their importance to the follower of God. [Matt. 5:17, Matt. 7:12, Matt. 10:34 and Rev. 6:4]

 

[LovethroughDove]

The New Covenant is Christ crucified.

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles

 

[Gary]

Gary,
What you call the New Covenant is the God ordained Life Application Commentary on the Bible. If you will get a Chain Reference Bible you will see that the New Testament is exactly as I teach it to be. Jesus, Himself, taught that the Law and the Prophets would never loose their importance to the follower of God. [Matt. 5:17, Matt. 7:12, Matt. 10:34 and Rev. 6:4]

I'm still waiting for the scripture from the New Testament that mandates the taking up of arms against the world.

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[Jesse]

Well there's really nothing more for me to say. You have your understanding, I have mine.




Would you mind directing me to the post where that statement is made?

Thanks.

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I would like to see where she said it just once. Those 3 posts do not say what you claim they say. Read them again without looking between the lines. Read what it says, not what you want it to say.



I think I'm done here. :yes



POST #61

POST #70

POST #80

I would like to see where she said it just once. Those 3 posts do not say what you claim they say. Read them again without looking between the lines. Read what it says, not what you want it to say.



I think I'm done here. :yes



POST #61

POST #70

POST #80

She said it right here:
Post #70 I used to think I would do anything to save myself and my loved ones, but I am not afraid of death anymore. And the torture I may encounter in this lifetime, would not compare to an eternity in hell.

Other people know what she has said in this thread and others, it doens't need to be pointed out again and again and again.

Let evil spread by doing nothing.....is the motto I'm getting here.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The New Covenant is Christ crucified.

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles

As per the Prophecy in Isaiah and in other prophecy found in the Bible. Really hard to imagine but in itself, a commentary on the Bible He taught just to understand and today, Satan is working to have us put it into file 13 and disregard. Thus we have a New Covenant and a new New Testament Christian theology, discarding the theology Jesus taught us was sacred.

 

[Gary]

Let evil spread by doing nothing.....is the motto I'm getting here.

That's because you're letting your personal feelings get in the way.

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[th1b.taylor]

I'm still waiting for the scripture from the New Testament that mandates the taking up of arms against the world.

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And as I've explained, you are missing the entire message of God by not reading the Bible and then using the Commentary to understand it. Until you get a solid grip on the Bible, there is no hope you will ever understand the truth scripture teaches because, I seem to recall in this string, pointing you to the Bible.

Now, please stop being rude and speak to the topic, it is a simple question requiring an answer you are refusing to give up. If they were at you door now, right now, do you fight or do you bow for them to lop off yours and your families heads? Simple, straight forward question requiring a simple answer.