Are you OK with ABORTIONS?

[Free]

I agree but it was bought up that if you take birth control then it is a sin.
That needs to be addressed

Then anyone interested in that discussion should make a new thread.

 

[iLOVE]

Can't see abortion.

The NKJV mentions murder, the NIC does not.

However to me given what you have said is irrelevant.
To me you are saying that any type of birth control is tantamount to murder is a sin and therefore anyone who uses birth control is a murderer?

Please correct me if I'm wrong

Last reply about birth control for this thread. If you have been born again you do not carry the title of murderer.

 

[Wrg1405]

Then anyone interested in that discussion should make a new thread.

Yes I agree

 

[th1b.taylor]

God has chosen to operate His work from the basis of faith. "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:2) is God's prescribed order of victory for the Believer over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil. This means that the Believer must maintained Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. Whatsoever that is not faith is sin.

Not relevant to the discussion, is it, if so how?

 

[jasonc]

The scripture says, "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." Jeremiah 17:5

my wife has no uterus, she was bleeding daily. the doctor advised for her health unless she wanted to bear kids to have it removed. I agreed with my wife choice of a partial hysterectomy. my how judgemental, have I not posted stories of Nathan, jaci and rosemary. I have influenced Nathan and Jaci, been there for the mothers. so tell me how I'm sinning?

my wife had kids before me,just not with me.

 

[Wrg1405]

Last reply about birth control for this thread. If you have been born again you do not carry the title of murderer.

Yes I agree. Part of me is wanting to bring out that if we walk like Jesus then abortion can be forgiven, also part of me does not beleive that contraception is not tantamount to murder.

It is personal to me. My mother fell pregnant with me, my ancestors were Muslim.

So when they found out she was pregnant she was told to abort me. They took her to the clinic. She walked out before it happened.

She carried around the guilt of considering it. How much more guilt do those carry around having done it?

 

[th1b.taylor]

The Apostle Paul makes it very clear in Romans 8:10 that the physical body, mind / intellect, and the heart (which is evil - Jeremiah 17:9) has been rendered helpless because of the original sin; consequently, the Believer trying to overcome by willpower presents a fruitless task. Only the Holy Spirit can mortify the deeds of the flesh and make us what we ought to be (Romans 8:13). This means we cannot do it ourselves. Once again, He performs all that He does within the confines of the Finished Work of Christ (Romans 8:2).

If a Christian will and their efforts to live for God is in anything except Christ and the Cross, i.e., Finished Work, The Blood of Jesus (Romans 8:2), Satan can override your will and force you to do things you don't want to do and trying not to do (Ephesians 6:12). Jesus said deny yourself and pick up your cross and follow me (Luke 9:23).

Remember our bodies are dead and useless to God. The heart is prone to wander away from God's love and eat from "The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil." The reason why the body is dead is because of the effects of the fall has made us totally incapable of yielding spiritual obedience on a regular basis (Jeremiah 13:23). So there must be a source outside of myself that helps me to enter into sanctification which is the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:13).

The truth is the entirety of the system of this world is evil. Paul said:

"Who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the Will of God and our Father" (Galatians 1:4).

There is only one solution, as it regards this foe, and that is "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified," and our Faith in that Finished Work.

If a Christian Faith is not maintained in Christ and His Finished work the works of the flesh will manifest as mentioned In Gal.5; Fornication, adultery, same sex marriage, homosexuality, masturbation, pornography, birth control, abortion, and the like are the works of the flesh...which is sin.

I have such an issue with verses ripped from their context and then forced into someones desires. Luke 9:23 has nothing to do with the issue discussed here. Context in any Literary Work is paramount and the Spirit in me tells me you were not given this alternate interpretation by Him. The verse from the NASB reads:
Jesus Predicts His Death
21 Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone 22 And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”

23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it.

 

[reba]

According to iLOVE not having sex is a sin .. not having sex stops a child from forming..

 

[th1b.taylor]

Understand Justification by Faith - Romans 3:23

This is why we must understand what justification is and why it is the first subject in the book of Romans. It lays down the foundation as I go through sanctification.

Justification gives me the ability to get back up from every failure no matter how many times and stand up and go through this process and learn it. Justification gives us a legal standing with God that is not cancelled because of the acts of sin. So if I fail at this same thing a thousand times, God forbid, I remain justified by faith (Romans 3:23); For I have kept the ways of the Lord (2 Samuel 22:22; Psalm 18:21; Romans 8:2). Remember, Jesus said, "I did not come to condemn (John 3:17)."

Justification is not what we do, and not what I am, and not what I worked for. It is what Jesus did and my faith in it that gives me the standing with God that I need to carry on my Christian experience. Sometime I do it well, and sometimes I do it not so well, but his justifying Grace will not fail unless my faith fails. It is just if I have never sinned and just if I have always obeyed (Romans 8:1; Romans 8:2).

I am sorry but some would, seriously, try to discuss the subject of Abortion. Justification is important but not in this topic. I am not saying it dies not matter, it does, but distractions are rude, please don't.

 

[th1b.taylor]

According to iLOVE not having sex is a sin .. not having sex stops a child from forming..

And says that in spite of Paul saying that a man not having sex can serve the LORD without distraction. He further tells us not to burn in our lust but for each that lusts to have their own mate but according to ILove, because of my disease, my wife and I are nasty, vile, sinners, WRONG!

 

[Corn Pop]

All i know is that when conception takes place a individual human being is growing. The mother and baby are not one human being, otherwise every person would be conjoined with there mother. I am not my mother or my father. I am a separate human being.

 

[iLOVE]

According to iLOVE not having sex is a sin .. not having sex stops a child from forming..

That is not my biblical perspective.

 

[grace92]

PapaZoom brought up a good point where if the life of the mother is in risk then it will be an exception. How do we address this?
Is it really morally acceptable reason to abort a pregnancy?

 

[grace92]

The votes is 100% NO TO ABORTIONS so far despite the overwhelming discussion and debate we are having here. I'm still going through all the replies, thanks guys and keep it going!

 

[Papa Zoom]

PapaZoom brought up a good point where if the life of the mother is in risk then it will be an exception. How do we address this?
Is it really morally acceptable reason to abort a pregnancy?

I read somewhere that an abortion to save the life of a mother is totally unnecessary in todays medical advancements. Some then bring up ectopic pregnancies.

An ectopic pregnancy covers a lot of discussion. It's not just one thing. And there have been cases of an ectopic pregnancy going to full term. I'll have to look that up but I'm sure I read that somewhere. In most cases of an ectopic pregnancy, the baby cannot survice and it's not a matter of abortion, but it's a matter of removing the "baby" because it has died. It's usually the case that the developing human dies before they even discover the pregnancy is ectopic.

Most importantly is this: Termination of an ectopic pregnancy is not considered an abortion by the pro life lobby. So this type of pregnancy isn't part of the discussion. Pro choice advocates love to bring up ectopic pregnancies in the discussion but that's because their arguments are weak and their are grasping at whatever they can.

That said, there is ZERO reasons to abort a developing human being. Ever. Remember, terminating an ectopic pregnancy isn't considered an abortion. So if you make the argument is it, you're simply showing your ignorance (this is not aimed at anyone specifically). So show a specific situation where the mother would die if the baby is brought to full term.

Keep in mind, doctors have told expecting moms they could die or had a huge chance of dying if they went to full term. Then them mom's ignored the doctor. Result? Healthy baby, healthy mom.

There is no morally acceptable reason to kill unborn human being.

 

[jasonc]

I read somewhere that an abortion to save the life of a mother is totally unnecessary in todays medical advancements. Some then bring up ectopic pregnancies.

An ectopic pregnancy covers a lot of discussion. It's not just one thing. And there have been cases of an ectopic pregnancy going to full term. I'll have to look that up but I'm sure I read that somewhere. In most cases of an ectopic pregnancy, the baby cannot survice and it's not a matter of abortion, but it's a matter of removing the "baby" because it has died. It's usually the case that the developing human dies before they even discover the pregnancy is ectopic.

Most importantly is this: Termination of an ectopic pregnancy is not considered an abortion by the pro life lobby. So this type of pregnancy isn't part of the discussion. Pro choice advocates love to bring up ectopic pregnancies in the discussion but that's because their arguments are weak and their are grasping at whatever they can.

That said, there is ZERO reasons to abort a developing human being. Ever. Remember, terminating an ectopic pregnancy isn't considered an abortion. So if you make the argument is it, you're simply showing your ignorance (this is not aimed at anyone specifically). So show a specific situation where the mother would die if the baby is brought to full term.

Keep in mind, doctors have told expecting moms they could die or had a huge chance of dying if they went to full term. Then them mom's ignored the doctor. Result? Healthy baby, healthy mom.

There is no morally acceptable reason to kill unborn human being.

I know a mother who was told that and survived along with her baby girl now aged 4. rosemary. I have posted about her before. it wasn't an entopic pregnancy.

 

[Corn Pop]

The globalist super elites are behind it and the brainwashers. They have been talking about population control for years, they believe over population will ruin the world, thats why they love wars and abortion and fund such things why they hide behind closed doors. Anything that reduces population they are for.

 

[Silmarien]

I read somewhere that an abortion to save the life of a mother is totally unnecessary in todays medical advancements. Some then bring up ectopic pregnancies.

In memory of Savita Halappanavar: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741

Let's also not ignore the situation in Latin America, where pregnant women have been denied cancer treatment and you can be jailed for miscarrying. Very ugly and ineffective as well: they have a significantly higher abortion rate than in Europe.

I'm pro-life but not anti-choice. I'm uncomfortable with the way pro-choicers ignore (or outright deny) the fact that one choice is better than the other, but I believe that the best way to reduce abortions is to fund programs that offer help to women who don't think they have any options, not criminalizing it and driving it back underground.

 

[Papa Zoom]

In memory of Savita Halappanavar: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741

Let's also not ignore the situation in Latin America, where pregnant women have been denied cancer treatment and you can be jailed for miscarrying. Very ugly and ineffective as well: they have a significantly higher abortion rate than in Europe.

I'm pro-life but not anti-choice. I'm uncomfortable with the way pro-choicers ignore (or outright deny) the fact that one choice is better than the other, but I believe that the best way to reduce abortions is to fund programs that offer help to women who don't think they have any options, not criminalizing it and driving it back underground.

One death does not an argument make. And you can't be pro-life and pro-choice which is what you are claiming to be. As for denying one choice is better than the other, I deny choice is better than being pro-life. Prolife is the ONLY right way. It meets the standards of morality that we deem important. Prochoice promotes a culture of death.

Maybe the best way to reduce spousal abuse is to fund programs that offer help to men who don't think they have any options (other than to beat their wifes), not criminalizing it and driving it back underground.

Maybe the best way to reduce child sexual abuse is to fund programs that offer help to abusers who don't think they have any options, not criminalizing it and driving it back underground.

This is the logical outflow of your very own argument above. Don't criminalize killing unborn human beings. And certainly don't jail anyone who kills a human being (as long as its in the womb). Better to allow women to kill their unborn in broad daylight than to drive them into dark alleys to do the dirty deed.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Let's also not ignore the situation in Latin America, where pregnant women have been denied cancer treatment and you can be jailed for miscarrying. Very ugly and ineffective as well: they have a significantly higher abortion rate than in Europe.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Abortion issue and it's only value here is to muddy perfectly clear waters.