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Are you OK with ABORTIONS?

Are you OK with ABORTIONS?

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grace92 said:
PapaZoom brought up a good point where if the life of the mother is in risk then it will be an exception. How do we address this?
Is it really morally acceptable reason to abort a pregnancy?
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As he later pointed out in another post, with today's technology, it will be very, very, unlikely to ever be required to say the mother again.
 
Papa Zoom said:
One death does not an argument make. And you can't be pro-life and pro-choice which is what you are claiming to be.
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One death very much an argument makes when the argument is that you can't die from being denied an abortion. You're simply wrong. There have been plenty of cases where it has happened in Latin America as well.

You can be pro-life and pro-choice. My views are a bit complicated and rooted in legal theory. I'd be happy to explain them but I don't get the impression that anyone is willing to hear me out on it.

th1b.taylor said:
This has absolutely nothing to do with the Abortion issue and it's only value here is to muddy perfectly clear waters.
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People were talking about the issue where the mother's life is at risk. If the waters are very much not clear in countries where abortion is illegal, sometimes in all circumstances, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to bring those situations up. In fact, I think it's necessary for anti-choice people to be aware of and actively discussing the ramifications of their views.

I have no desire to get involved in the debate, only to offer you guys a couple of other points to discuss.
 
Silmarien said:
You can be pro-life and pro-choice. My views are a bit complicated and rooted in legal theory. I'd be happy to explain them but I don't get the impression that anyone is willing to hear me out on it.
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You indicate that you do not believe and therefore you should be here to learn if you wish to be here. It is not possible to hold to both positions and ever become a Christian, leaving you to ask yourself why you are here? If it is not to learn, you have no valid reason to converse with firm believers, now, do you?

In God's Kingdom you are Pro-Choice and here that translates to Pro-Genocide, Purely forbidden by our LORD.
 
th1b.taylor said:
You indicate that you do not believe and therefore you should be here to learn if you wish to be here. It is not possible to hold to both positions and ever become a Christian, leaving you to ask yourself why you are here? If it is not to learn, you have no valid reason to converse with firm believers, now, do you?

In God's Kingdom you are Pro-Choice and here that translates to Pro-Genocide, Purely forbidden by our LORD.
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Methodists and Anglicans would disagree.

I'm here because I am converting. I feel like Matthew 5:43-48 means that I should be talking to people I disagree with, not just Episcopalians. I'm distancing myself from the pro-choice movement because I think you are right to criticize the "culture of death" aspect of it, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you entirely either.

You can attack me for it or ignore what I have to say because I'm not ready to change my status yet, or you can address the very specific points I raised. Because pro-life turns into anti-life when you write off all the health complications that can arise for the mother as impossible. I would really rather not turn into Honduras.
 
What matters is what God says not this denotation or that one..
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Deu_19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Psa_106:38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
 
Silmarien said:
I'm here because I am converting.
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Using this one line accepting it as truth :) ... please before you are loaded up with denominational theology.. Read the whole Bible.. Some suggest breaking it into segments .. there are many on line places that will design that for ya. Personally suggesting from Genesis to The Revelation ..
 
Silmarien said:
Methodists and Anglicans would disagree.

I'm here because I am converting. I feel like Matthew 5:43-48 means that I should be talking to people I disagree with, not just Episcopalians. I'm distancing myself from the pro-choice movement because I think you are right to criticize the "culture of death" aspect of it, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you entirely either.

You can attack me for it or ignore what I have to say because I'm not ready to change my status yet, or you can address the very specific points I raised. Because pro-life turns into anti-life when you write off all the health complications that can arise for the mother as impossible. I would really rather not turn into Honduras.
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Other sects calling themselves Christians have every right to be wrong and to disobey God and go to Hell. I can do no more for them than I can for most of the world.

Which Sect you choose for Corporate Worship matters very little, any of them are qualified to lead you into Hell and from there into the Lake of Fire and the Eternal Second Death.

If you do not place all of your trust in jesus, are you certain you will go to Heaven? (1 John 5:11-13And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has this eternal life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this eternal life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.) I, absolutely, know I will spend eternity with Jesus and Father God and would, with all my heart give that to you. You may and you may not recieve that from any Church but if you seek after the, very, prescience of Jesus in your life, you will be indwelt with the Holy Spirit and believe me, you will know when the Holy
Ghost moves in.
 
Silmarien said:
One death very much an argument makes when the argument is that you can't die from being denied an abortion. You're simply wrong. There have been plenty of cases where it has happened in Latin America as well.

You can be pro-life and pro-choice. My views are a bit complicated and rooted in legal theory. I'd be happy to explain them but I don't get the impression that anyone is willing to hear me out on it.


People were talking about the issue where the mother's life is at risk. If the waters are very much not clear in countries where abortion is illegal, sometimes in all circumstances, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to bring those situations up. In fact, I think it's necessary for anti-choice people to be aware of and actively discussing the ramifications of their views.

I have no desire to get involved in the debate, only to offer you guys a couple of other points to discuss.
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I'm not wrong. Women die from all sorts of reasons and one death doesn't make your argument any stronger. Abortion kills an innocent human being. I oppose that. You don't. There's nothing complicated about it. It's a moral question and not a legal one. Abortion kills an innocent human being. Period. The majority of abortions are done for birth control reasons. Lastly, it's a total contradiction to say you are pro-life and pro-choice. No matter how many times you say you can. They are opposing views.
 
Silmarien said:
Methodists and Anglicans would disagree.

I'm here because I am converting. I feel like Matthew 5:43-48 means that I should be talking to people I disagree with, not just Episcopalians. I'm distancing myself from the pro-choice movement because I think you are right to criticize the "culture of death" aspect of it, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you entirely either.

You can attack me for it or ignore what I have to say because I'm not ready to change my status yet, or you can address the very specific points I raised. Because pro-life turns into anti-life when you write off all the health complications that can arise for the mother as impossible. I would really rather not turn into Honduras.
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One thing I don't like is the term "pro-choice;" it's a straw man. I prefer pro-abortion and anti-abortion, since that really is what it all comes down to.
 
Being pro-choice is being in favor of a woman's "right" to choose to kill her unborn child. Being pro-life is to be against a woman making that choice (legally). You can be both in favor of abortion and not in favor of abortion. It's an incoherent position. So if someone says they are both, ignore them. They don't know what they are saying. It's one or the other. I'd love to be challenged on this.

Also, if you are a person who says, "I'm personally against abortion but don't think I should tell others how to think" you are actually in favor of abortion. Or you're confused. Either or. Get off the fence.
 
Free said:
One thing I don't like is the term "pro-choice;" it's a straw man. I prefer pro-abortion and anti-abortion, since that really is what it all comes down to.
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It's becoming more true today that women are actually pro abortion. PP is a pro abortion organization for example. They offer no prenatal care.
 
Papa Zoom said:
It's becoming more true today that women are actually pro abortion. PP is a pro abortion organization for example. They offer no prenatal care.
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The name Planned Parenthood gives it away. Plan when you want to accept your child and become a parent.
 
Papa Zoom said:
PP is a pro abortion organization for example. They offer no prenatal care.
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I agree. If they were really about women having a choice, I believe they would do more for those women who choose life. They would put some of their funds into things like mid-wives and sonograms.
If they were really about full women's health for the poor they, at least those in large cities, would invest in mammography, but they don't.
 
I'm not for abortion, but I'm also not for a bunch of kids you can't take care of. My dad was a great example. He was the oldest of 11 and when the depression hit he was 17. His family already couldn't feed all of the mouths, so they literally kicked my dad out and told him he had to survive on his own. He did, barely. That's not right not in anyones book. We need to be responsible in our actions when it comes to sex so we don't have a bunch of kids that aren't taken care of in this world.
 
IncredibleTransformation said:
I'm not for abortion, but I'm also not for a bunch of kids you can't take care of. My dad was a great example. He was the oldest of 11 and when the depression hit he was 17. His family already couldn't feed all of the mouths, so they literally kicked my dad out and told him he had to survive on his own. He did, barely. That's not right not in anyones book. We need to be responsible in our actions when it comes to sex so we don't have a bunch of kids that aren't taken care of in this world.
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Yup this is so easy today no need for abortions to be part planned parenthood
 
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