ARE YOU THE REASON WHY CHRISTIANITY IS FAILING ?

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[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

-ARE YOU THE REASON WHY CHRISTIANITY IS FAILING- has brought some interesting responses and has proven that there is still some hope that God and Religion will overcome -Evil-. When real Christians strongly voice there opinions then true evil (Liiberalism) can not overcome Gods word. Liberalism has been hijacked by all those who want to due (Do) whatever they want as long as it feels good to them and they don't want to be judged by anybody.
Ask a Liberal, why can't people use birth control (Male & Female) that cost a dollar or is free and that way they don't produce a baby they can't support or they will not have too destroy, answer the question???

 

[Webers_Home]

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Christianity isn't a social program. it's an individual program— a voluntary, self-help program like Weight Watchers, Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Jenny Craig, motivational seminars, therapy, Complete Idiot's guides, and rehab; et al.

Stand on the sidewalk and draw a circle around yourself with a piece of chalk. The person standing inside that circle is the true failure; and the world can throw every form of self-help in existence at them all it wants but the person inside that circle will not reform until they decide to.

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[for_his_glory]

-for_his_glory- when I post most of the time I am talking in today's time period, there is much relevance with the past and how we can use the Bible to help us meet our needs in today's time period. BUT, when you can show today's people who are non believers in God and the Bible and Religion etc. in the vast amount of these people. You have to try and show them the relevance of the Bible and Gods word in everyday English and today's thinking and morality etc. not quoting the Bible only and expecting any real results with today's problems. Once you start on the road to liberalism you are lost and your soul is lost to the Devil who invented liberalism that gives us a false prophet...

We will always have evil in this world until the day Satan is cast into the lake of fire with the beast and false prophet as Satan has his domain here on earth until that day of Christ return. As a Christian our calling is to take Gods word out into the world as a testimony to others as we let the light of Christ shine through us to others by not only giving the non believers the word of God, but His word through actions as in our own personal testimonies of what Christ has done for us.

In a sense Christianity does fail nonbelievers in certain areas by them seeing the actions of those who talk the talk, but do not walk the walk as physically seen in the non-believers eyes that causes them to not want any part of being a Christian as in their eyes we are all hypocrites. But, even apart from that there will always be those who reject Christ for one reason or another, even if they see us as talking the talk and walking the walk and all we can do is that of Christ who has called us to be a faithful servant.

 

[MarbleShooter]

phantom309, I'm not going to directly adress anything you just said. Why? It has nothing to do with me. It is obvious you have problems with non Christians and anger from it. So there is no use addressing your points, because its not me you are angry at. I'm not other non Christians. I'm Marble shooter/ James the dancing banana. Calm down or ask other members for help with issue. ON topic, I disagree with the OP because I think Christianity is in more trouble from trying to keep a hold on politics when it better suited to its own flock. Thank you.

 

[stovebolts]

phantom309, I'm not going to directly adress anything you just said. Why? It has nothing to do with me. It is obvious you have problems with non Christians and anger from it. So there is no use addressing your points, because its not me you are angry at. I'm not other non Christians. I'm Marble shooter/ James the dancing banana. Calm down or ask other members for help with issue. ON topic, I disagree with the OP because I think Christianity is in more trouble from trying to keep a hold on politics when it better suited to its own flock. Thank you.

But it does have everything to do with you James...

No more then straight people who have sex are. Homosexuals are the same as everyone else. End of story. Stop obsessing about the sex lives of people please.

This is one area where secular thinking has made it's way into the Church and is corrupting the moral fabric of how Christians are to live. Your not a Christian, so you have no say in the matter from a Christian perspective. You are like Amelak, and Jason will know what I mean.

I can see that you support Homosexuality. That's fine, it's well within your rights as a US citizen. But it is my right as well to disagree with homosexuality. Where you cross the line, is to come into my house and demand that I accept your view. I won't, and neither should any other Christian. So you see, it was not Phantom who obsesses over the sex lives of others let alone the other portions of your rant, it is you. And if you like, I can find every post on this forum to substantiate that claim.

ON topic, I disagree with the OP because I think Christianity is in more trouble from trying to keep a hold on politics when it better suited to its own flock.

Do you not see your own agenda? You are part of the problem with Christianity, not the solution.

 

[MarbleShooter]

But it does have everything to do with you James..

Nope, why? I never took anyone's rights away. I'm not trying to take anyone's rights away. I'm not the Other non Christians. I am myself. Phantom never addressed anything I did, his entire rant about stuff other people did or may have done if he exaggerated some claims and omitted parts. I'm not blaming all Christians for the Crusades, witch hunts, forced conversion, abortion clinic bombings, etc. I'm an adult that understands that people aren't all the same. I give you the respect I expect to receive back. Respect is a 2 way street. No double standards.

This is one area where secular thinking has made it's way into the Church and is corrupting the moral fabric of how Christians are to live.

No, its latest political scape goat used to ignore real problems.

Your not a Christian, so you have no say in the matter from a Christian perspective. You are like Amelak, and Jason will know what I mean.

You are trying to tell me not to give an opinion while also giving your opinion about the secular view point, and later in this very post you start trying to tell me what my agenda is. Sorry that is another double standard. I gave my opinion. Take it leave it. You are defending Phantom, who TOS rules. His condescending post style mixed with full out attacks and blaming on me for stuff I never did. I answer for myself and give OPINIONS.

I can see that you support Homosexuality That's fine, it's well within your rights as a US citizen. But it is my right as well to disagree with homosexuality.

Agreed, I have no problems. I never took any right away. All I did was disagree and ask a question to the OP. That's it. I think this is the only time I've even talked about homosexuality.

Where you cross the line, is to come into my house and demand that I accept your view. I won't, and neither should any other Christian.

I Never did that. Not even in this thread or any other. I asked whether the OP Homosexuals were people. That's it.

So you see, it was not Phantom who obsesses over the sex lives of others let alone the other portions of your rant, it is you.

Put it up. Show the posts. Show everyone these statements you claim I made. Show everyone where I did all that. You won't find them, because I never did any of that. Phantom was ranting about someone else, and blaming me for it. I dare you to find such posts.

And if you like, I can find every post on this forum to substantiate that claim.

Be my guest.

Do you not see your own agenda? You are part of the problem with Christianity, not the solution.

No, I'm being used as a scape goat. Phantom was being unnecessarily aggressive and blaming for thing I never did because he heard other non Christians did it. Show me the evidence that I do or did what Phantom said I did. Do it!

 

[theLords]

MarbleShooter and phantom309 if you would like to continue your discussion, please do so via PM's per the ToS.

 

[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

Can we get back to the point of my post, if we are Christians then we have an obligation to fight to spread Gods word. Now before you start saying that we have to use violence to spread HIS word, NO, we do not have to use violence. We can use non violence like the internet to challange anyone who tells you it's OK to murder unborn children by means of abortion. We can contact and then vote against any Politician who wants abortion or same sex marriage or gay rights etc., we vote as a Christian block of votes. We call up ANY business that makes children sexual objects in their advertisements etc. and tells them to stop or their business will suffer. WHAT I am saying is too stop reading the Bible and only use today's English to get the point accross and get off your rear ends and show the world that real Christians will not accept -EVIL-.

 

[stovebolts]

Nope, why? I never took anyone's rights away. I'm not trying to take anyone's rights away. I'm not the Other non Christians. I am myself. Phantom never addressed anything I did, his entire rant about stuff other people did or may have done if he exaggerated some claims and omitted parts. I'm not blaming all Christians for the Crusades, witch hunts, forced conversion, abortion clinic bombings, etc. I'm an adult that understands that people aren't all the same. I give you the respect I expect to receive back. Respect is a 2 way street. No double standards. No, its latest political scape goat used to ignore real problems. You are trying to tell me not to give an opinion while also giving your opinion about the secular view point, and later in this very post you start trying to tell me what my agenda is. Sorry that is another double standard. I gave my opinion. Take it leave it. You are defending Phantom, who TOS rules. His condescending post style mixed with full out attacks and blaming on me for stuff I never did. I answer for myself and give OPINIONS.
Agreed, I have no problems. I never took any right away. All I did was disagree and ask a question to the OP. That's it. I think this is the only time I've even talked about homosexuality. I Never did that. Not even in this thread or any other. I asked whether the OP Homosexuals were people. That's it. Put it up. Show the posts. Show everyone these statements you claim I made. Show everyone where I did all that. You won't find them, because I never did any of that. Phantom was ranting about someone else, and blaming me for it. I dare you to find such posts. Be my guest.





No, I'm being used as a scape goat. Phantom was being unnecessarily aggressive and blaming for thing I never did because he heard other non Christians did it. Show me the evidence that I do or did what Phantom said I did. Do it!

Stop playing the victim, take some accountability and just Grow up...

 

[stovebolts]

Can we get back to the point of my post, if we are Christians then we have an obligation to fight to spread Gods word. Now before you start saying that we have to use violence to spread HIS word, NO, we do not have to use violence. We can use non violence like the internet to challange anyone who tells you it's OK to murder unborn children by means of abortion. We can contact and then vote against any Politician who wants abortion or same sex marriage or gay rights etc., we vote as a Christian block of votes. We call up ANY business that makes children sexual objects in their advertisements etc. and tells them to stop or their business will suffer. WHAT I am saying is too stop reading the Bible and only use today's English to get the point accross and get off your rear ends and show the world that real Christians will not accept -EVIL-.

Amen!

I also think that many Christians have lost the Fear of the Lord....

 

[Vic C.]

I need to interject here.

38,000 denominations and you guys fight over interpretations with each other. You can believe what you want. Doesn't mean I'm going to be convinced by it. Your further attacks on your strawman and your cliche hitler/stalin label also dosen't help you. Its tired and worn out.

What is becoming tiresome is some no believers who come here with an agenda and exaggerate and spread falsehoods in an attempt to belittle Christians and falsify our Beliefs. :bigfrown

If you or anyone were really interested in attaining the Truth, you'd be a bit more objective when posting alleged "facts." In other words, you'd attempt to dig a little deeper to find how these statistics the the number of 30,000+ denominations came to be.

The question in the OP assumes Christianity is failing and all doubters and skeptics will jump on that bandwagon as fast as they are able.

Lets put away our agendas and stay on topic, please? :nod

 

[Vic C.]

What do I mean Christianity is failing, look at the lifestyle of today's youth and almost all the surveys tell us that we have lost the souls of today's youth. The Catholic Church and other Christian dominations are accepting Homosexual Pedophilia and Same Sex Marriages etc. as normal behaviour and lying and cheating and dishonesty and sexuality and illegal drug use etc. etc. etc.. -You- are doing nothing to stop this evil from spreading, nothing!

My direct, fundamental observation and answer to the OP is:

I consider them lukewarm at best and don't really represent mainstream, conservative Christianity. :yes Jesus told us the world would know His prophets and followers by their fruit!

 

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In post # 23 I recommended standing on the sidewalk and drawing a circle around yourself with a piece of chalk. Do it again only this time ask: Am I the reason Christianity has failed to stop the spread of evil inside this circle? You see; just as charity begins at home; so does housekeeping.
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†. 2Tim 2:19 . . Let everyone who professes the name of Christ abstain from wickedness.
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Note: it's inevitable that evil will spread: it can't be stopped— not by religion, not by planned parenthood, not by genetic engineering, not by entitlements, not by adding more cops, not by tougher laws, not by social programs, not by education, not by banning smart phones and iPods, not by gulags, not by prosperity, not by balancing the federal budget, not by outlawing porn and abortion, not by bombing Iran and North Korea, not by bail-outs, not by stimulus packages, not by pounding the pulpit, not by marching, not by turning the other cheek, not by occupying, not by anything: the die is cast.
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†. 2Tim 3:1-4 . . There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, cruel to kin, treacherous, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, haters of peace, lovers of conflict, rash, conceited, and lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
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So if you think things are bad now; you haven't seen even the tip of the iceberg yet. Better tighten up your Spanx, and your Nike sports bra, and your Silkies pantyhose Dorothy because Kansas is going bye-bye.
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†. 2Thss 2:7 . . For the mystery of iniquity is already at work; only He who now restrains it will do so until He is taken out of the way.
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Whatever spread of evil Christians manage to prevent for now, will be utterly eradicated when God steps back and lets evil really have its way.
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[handy]

Can we get back to the point of my post, if we are Christians then we have an obligation to fight to spread Gods word. Now before you start saying that we have to use violence to spread HIS word, NO, we do not have to use violence. We can use non violence like the internet to challange anyone who tells you it's OK to murder unborn children by means of abortion. We can contact and then vote against any Politician who wants abortion or same sex marriage or gay rights etc., we vote as a Christian block of votes. We call up ANY business that makes children sexual objects in their advertisements etc. and tells them to stop or their business will suffer. WHAT I am saying is too stop reading the Bible and only use today's English to get the point accross and get off your rear ends and show the world that real Christians will not accept -EVIL-.

I agree that we Christians have an obligation to spread God's word. What I disagree with is the idea that the "word" of God we are obligated to spread is that "Homosexuality is WRONG" or "Abortion is Murder" or "Same Sex Marriage is Evil". I'm not disagreeing that they are...but I don't see it as our job as Christians to preach against these things. Rather, we should be in the business of preaching FOR something precious...something that if truly embraced would put all other things in perspective and that something is the Gospel of Christ. Our message should be that we were all once homosexual or had abortions, or were adulterers or liars or thieves or once were in the business of reviling others and hurling accusations at others, but that the Gospel has washed and renewed us.

If Christianity is failing (and I don't think it is, the gates of hell will NEVER prevail against the Church) then it's because well meaning Christians have been side tracked into preaching against liberalism all whilst justifying whatever commands we might be breaking instead of concentrating on living pure and holy lives and sharing the hope that is within us. And, instead of preaching the Gospel with boldness, we invite others to church on Sundays to be wowed by how great a concert the "worship" team puts on.

Sinners sin...that's the nature of a sinner. The only way to stop a sinner from sinning is to share the gospel and pray that the Holy Spirit will open their hearts to the new life in Christ.

One last thought: We can stop gay marriage, drive homosexuality back under ground, stamp out abortion, get fashions back to the Little House on the Prairie styles, get people back to speaking respectfully and ban the "F" word over all media...like it all once was...and people will still be sinful, lost and hell bound.

 

[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

-handy- etc. we as Christians must spread the words and actions and thoughts etc. of God and Jesus and the Prophets etc.. If we use the internet and telephone and mail etc. and explain what it means to be a Real Christian we will be able to stop much of the -Evil- that Liberalism has spread throughout the world. By only reading the Bible and waiting for God to come forth at the end of times is a sure fired way to watch our children etc. ruined by the evil of liberalism. If our children etc. see that we are willing to fight the forces of -Evil- and call Liberalism for what it is, the greatest -Evil- that mankind has ever produced even worse than the Nazi horrors of world war II... (Wolf In Sheeps Clothing)...

 

[handy]

-handy- etc. we as Christians must spread the words and actions and thoughts etc. of God and Jesus and the Prophets etc..

I agree...however, the words and actions of Jesus and the Apostles rarely included railing against the evil actions of unbelievers. Religious hypocrites and sin within the church were targeted, but as for the unbelievers and sinners of their day...mainly the extension of the good news in Christ was preached.

I think too many Christians are getting this backwards, we attack the unbelieving sinners for their sin...and yet allow all kinds of things within the church...because...you know...if we were to actually discipline a confessed Christian for their sin and even tell them they cannot remain within the body unless they repent...well that would be unloving.

Again...unbelieving sinners sin...that's what they do. We can try to stop them from performing certain actions...but even if we are successful, they will remain sinners.

I do agree that as much as these things arise within the Church...we do need to speak out. However, I think even more than "liberalism" too much of the church is scurrying to make Sunday morning worship services "seeker friendly" to ever contemplate exercising a strong stand against sin.

 

[Scootaloo]

I don't see why people think Christianity is failing. It's the only religion that's been proven to be objectively correct; no matter how ignorant people are of evidence, people are going to have to eventually accept that we're right. Just because a lot of people choose to ignore Him doesn't mean Christianity is failing. It just means that they haven't seen the light yet. And isn't that what Christianity is all about?

Telling people the good news?

Unfortunately, it's hardly news any more... And people are more stubborn than they should be when they cling to their lies...

 

[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

-Scootaloo- you are correct in what you are saying, the example of Sodom and Gomorrah where almost all the people became -Evil- and God was forced to destroy almost everybody. The parents allowed their children to be corrupted and then destroyed because the parents were lazy and did not fight this -Evil- just like today. So you can't hide in the Bible and claim that you are a Real Christian and watch your children corrupted by today's liberal lifestyle which is pure -Evil- or a wolf hiding in sheeps clothing. So when your son or daughter becomes a drug addict and lie's and steals and or has abortions because they did not use birth control or is dying of AIDS/HIV or has a Gay lifestyle etc.. All of the above and more could have been stopped if Real Christians got off their rear ends and used the power of Real Christian activism and voting block and stopped this -Evil- (Liberalism) from spreading. The Bible only helps people who help themselves and helps -GOD- fight evilness in mankind...

 

[ivorhughjarse]

bandaging a dead man. The structure of today's Chruch is Roman it cannot react within itself as God wills it is not nurtured by God because it is not his creation but man's attempt to turn what Jesus started into the Roman political church which it has become. Rome was never grafted to the vine it cannot be fed by the root...The Body its spirit filled members are grafted in but not its false thinking head that belongs in Rome....and we think we as a group can sort out it's ills?