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Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel - False Teacher?

I Don't So, Why? Most of those articles aren't true! You didn't include his site?
 
jgredline
Thanks for the heads up. I was looking over his site and right there he denies the deity of Christ. He believes in the false god of modalism. Check it out for yourselves.

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/answers.htm - in Rebuttal to -
http://www.mission.org/jesuspeople/arnmuray.htm

Well I did, and he obviously didn't say that, and these sites intrepret what he supposedly says, for him.

The Trinity or Godhead He teaches YHVH, the I Am That I Am of the Father, and Yahshua Saviour for Jesusand the Holy Spirit was manifested through Christ. He quotes Matthew 10:20 saying "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." Refering to the Holy Spirit in Mark 13:11, "but when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do you premeditate; but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost (Spirit)." He makes no apology for teaching the Godhead in this manner, (nor should he) and goes on to say he does not need the critics endorsements. (Amen, Brother a Man who can tell it like it is!) This is not MODALISM!

He has never taught that men were LITTLE GODS! But quotes Jeremiah 1:5 saying, "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Or he quotes Ephesians 1:4 which says, "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world." Neither of these statements, are akin to anything like Mormonism, ancestor like worship or megalomania!

The example of the Lady clearly states his position: Like this little lady said. She said, 'To my husband I am a wife, to my children I am a mother, To hundreds of 3rd graders I am their teacher that's my office. It's a different office; none of them are the same, but I'm still the same person. If God is One, and If christ when he was told he was wise, said you might as well consider him as god, because none are wise but the Father. No man has any excuses judging him and they just have a grudge! The critics are right about one thing though! The Trinity is one of the major tenets of the Christian faith. All the cults (faiths) deviate from Christianity on this point. The Only Problem is Christianity would be a cult, This Forum would be a cult because they still argue about the Trinity and the Nature of the Godhead. Heck Catholics make Mary God almost!

Anglo-Israel Origins? Theres enough Information out there, That Definitely supports the fact that the Lost Tribes taken captive by the Assyrians went through the pass in the Caucaus Mountains, called Israel Gate, became known under another name and moved west! On top of that you have Tacitus, Josephus and Esdras testifying to it historically! Jeremiah and The Stone of Scone, called Lia Fial, which was brought to Torah Hill, illustrates that! God in his Book claims there shall not be a Day when a Man of David is not sitting on his throne so God's either a liar or it was transfered somewhere else! Seeing Nebuchadnezzar thought he had cut off the lineage of David, The Jeremiah Story is the only possible conclusion. The Fact that when the apostles were sent out the were told to go to the Lost Tribes first. Which is one reason why Paul always went to the synagogues to preach 1st and why The 29th Chapter of Acts Attests to the fact Paul visited Britain and Spain. This is also why Archeology made such strides in uncovering the truth of the Bible in the 1600-1900's. Remember, Troy was myth too once! This is their weakest argument yet! It proves they don't understand Scripture, History or Linguistics.

The Kenites and the Serpent seed; Even here on this forum you debate the Fact of whether the Nephilim were just inbreds with other races or Fallen Angels. If 'Gabriel' literally means "Man Of God", how come they can't figure this out! The Fact is that the Kenites who served in the Temple when the Levites neglected their duties, are also known as RECHABITES, is attested to in the Bible. He doesn't believe all Jews are Kenites. But his critics don't draw that line it's one and the same for them. They seem very bigoted themselves in their ease of eacial stereotyping! There are 3 main things you need to understand this subject: The use of the words - Man & Adam: The Rephaim, Giants, Fallen Angels, etc: and sperma. Go Back and Look at the most ancient gods of Mesopotamia and Egypt and there names in pre-flood times! This is them! Its the whole story after the flood also of the Titans or first Gods being overthrown by the new gods like Zues, Osirus, Nimrod and Semiramis. And This is them! Anyways I'm off the point! Murrays critics are wrong!

AS far as Faulty Intreptations, I don't believe this true, and is another misrepresentation.Murray relies Mostly on the KJV, Companion Bible or Masoretic Texts. E.W. Bullinger the author of the Companion Bible was the the only Christian Scholar allowed to edit The Masoretic texts! So Basically there argument falls apart there. Here they quote saying: It should be noted that the original languages are not necessarily the most important aspect of interpreting Scripture, and numerics and symbols are of little value. What a bunch of hogwash! The Masoretic notes were left out of bibles, until Gingrich added them in his collection of The old notes discarded by previous Bibles! Secondly the Bible is Full of symbols and numerics, Genesis 1:1 is a fertile example of this. Thirdly, the bible is full of Figures Of Speech and Euphanisism's. In Fact Bullinger records 217 different kinds in his Appendix to the Companion Bible.

Mr. Murray also teaches the doctrine of annihilationism. Yea so, This forum concluded more than once that your name is blotted out, not sent perpetually burning for ever and ever, etc etc ...How can they be so decieved that they got wish there pathetic lives aren't ended, and must suffer an eternal Hell! Well, Hell Means Grave most of the time and they won't cheat it! Beats Me! The Christian Research Institute still teaches the same old lies. I have personally read over 50 articles of CRI's and concluded that only a Biblically ignorant person could ever possibly believe this crap. The amount of CRI's false teaching would fill volumes. JUST SAY NO TO THE "HIGHER CRITIC'S" WHO BAMBOOZLE THE PUBLIC WITH THIS JUNK THEY PEDDLE!!!!
 
What does Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel Ministries teach? His statement of faith is pretty vague.

“I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it's either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend†(The Shepherd's Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5/16/91).

“I just wanted to mention that I contacted Shepherd 's Chapel in 1990 after seeing Dr. Arnold Murray on the Television. I contacted them and asked if Mr. Murray had received a doctorate in theology and if so where. I was told he had received it at Biola University in Southern Ca. I contacted Biola and found out this was not the case. And called Shepherd's chapel again to share with them my findings. I was called a Kenite and asked not to call again? I just thought I would let you know that they were making the claim that he had a doctorate in theology.†T. Pierce a missionary with Witness Inc.

You have these yo-yo's that will say, 'Well I want you to think like of water (sic) and ice' and so on, various gases or so forth, or then they'll say, 'I want you to think of a 200 watt bulb, and a 150 watt bulb, and a 50 watt bulb.' Well, they're all the same wattage, friend. So why not just simplify it instead of playing stupid games, and understand there are three offices of the Godhead. Like this little lady said. She said, 'To my husband I am a wife, to my children I am a mother, that's my office. To hundreds of third graders I am their teacher and have been down through the years. That's a different office; none of them the same, but I'm still the same person.' I like that.†(The Shepherd's Chapel Question and Answers period, aired 6/4/91). God is “one man,...our Father,†and just like the Oneness Pentecostals state Murray says, God “(sic) gots three offices he serves.†(Shepherd's Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5/14/91)

Murray teaches, Eve and Adam had sex with Satan; Satan being the fruit, the tree, and the snake, in that story. Eve got pregnant with Satan's son and with Adam's son. Cain and Abel were twins; but Cain was Satan's son. (Tape #436)

On Shepherds chapels statement of faith “We believe that after Christ's death and resurrection Israel was to be called by a new name (Isaiah 62:2). Israel was not to be remembered by her old name (Hosea 2:17); and, the new name was to be the Lord's Name (II Chronicles 7:14) which would be CHRISTIAN (Christ man) (Acts 11:26; I Peter 4:16).â€Â

Murray and his followers believe that humans existed prior to living on earth. I have been told by some of those who formerly listened to his teachings that to be born again meant to be physically born on earth.

The Shepherd Chapel divides history up into three earth ages: Gen.1:1 where we first had the fall of Satan causing incredible destruction and waste. We pre-existed the earthly existence in soul bodies. Those pre-existent ones who rebelled against Lucifer and sided with God are called the elect. In the second age After the fall of Satan, God remade the world. This includes Gen.1:2 through Revelation, all the world will accept the antichrist, except the elect. The third age Begins with the establishment of the millennium, proceeds through its end, and extends into eternity. The elect live in spirit bodies, not physical ones through the millennium. http://www.letusreason.org

Murray teaches the already proven false doctrine of British Israelism. That the, Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race, and America and Great Britain are the lost tribes of the children of Israel. The core of his false teaching also finds its source in “serpent seed†doctrine' which has been linked to various “Christian†identity and right-wing neo-nazi groups. What this doctrine teaches is that in the Garden of Eden Eve's sin was that she had literal sexual intercourse with the serpent, which produced the ungodly line of Cain, as the literal offspring of the Devil. (This was also held by numerous other false teachers, one is William Branham who also was a Oneness Pentecostal). http://www.letusreason.org

“Yet, today we have false teachers leading people to Satan's doctrine of rapture from the very pulpits from which they should be hearing the doctrine of Jesus Christ. It is very appropriate that judgment begins at the pulpits.†(Newsletter #253 Nov. 1999).

At the rapture, the Lord comes only for believers. The rapture is a translation for the living and a resurrection for the dead into immortal bodies. It is an event that happens to both the living and dead Christians alike. Both the the living and the dead believers will be caught up (raptured) to meet Jesus Christ in the air. The Greek word is harpazo which means a taking away by force. The phrase “caught up†NT:726 This the Greek word harpazo which means to sieze (in various applications): KJV-catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force). (New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary). In 1 Thess. 4:13 He comes for his saints having them rise to meet him in the air to receive their glorified bodies as their bodies are changed (1 Thess. 4:16). The Lord then takes the believers “to the Father's house†in heaven (John 14:3) as He promised.

In 2 Thess.2 it describes this event and the words as “our gathering together unto Him†meaning ‘our being gathered up into Him.’ The Greek word for ‘gathering together’ is EPI-SUNAGOGES. EPI- means “aboveâ€Â, and SUNAGOGES means “housed, or gathered.â€Â

Murray teaches that the word “clouds†in 1 Thessalonians is not referring to clouds in the sky, but allegorizes the meaning to be a gathering of like minded people, a assembly of witnesses who know the truth. This interpretation is certainly not the intent of the 1 Thess. 4 passage where the dead will be resurrected and the living will be transformed to meet the Lord in the air. When Jesus was taken up in the clouds in Acts 1 was this of like mind? Are we to believe He wasn’t actually taken up from their view toward heaven to the Father? http://www.letusreason.org

“Lucifer was taken to the pit...Know from the 2nd chapter of 2 Thessalonians that he shall soon return. The Book of Daniel very clearly states that it shall happen before the year 1981, if you have any understanding at all of the wisdom of the elect in the last days†(Seed of the Serpent, version taped in 1979).

Retrieved from http://www.letusreason.org/Poptea4.htm

A letter to Shepherd's Chapel from Steve Lagoon, Religion Analysis Service can be read at http://www.visi.com/~steved/cam/Murray.htm

More teachings of Arnold Murray at http://www.angelfire.com/me/Merethe/arnoldmurray.html
 
solo....I have a friend who believes a lot of the same heresy you mentioned. It comes from the teachings of William Branham....they think he's the 'vindicated' prophet for this age.
He's deceased but they speak of him in present tense; it's totally weird.
It was a shocker for me to learn that this man has a really big following and that his followers think that he IS (not was) the promised 'spirit' of Elijah.
My friend has tried several times to convince me of the serpent seed doctrine.
I wonder is Arnold Murray is a Branhamite?
 
I wonder is Arnold Murray is a Branhamite?

No.

And as for William Branham, the main reason he was "demonized" by the religious status quo is because he spoke out, in principle, against denominations. I believe a true prophet would have to do so. None of the top Christian personalities of today would dare to because it would be a death sentence for their "careers". I am not saying I believe Branham was a miracle-worker or that there even are real prophets, but the guy was definately not in it for fame or fortune. He was more genuine than 99% of those who gain noteriety in the Christian world.
 
ÃÂoppleganger

You should spend a little time studing this

http://www.carm.org/heresy/modalism.htm

There are many who get caught up in this false teaching. oNE good example of this is TD JAKES. He also does not believe that Jesus is God but that Jesus is a manifestation of God as the Son of God. What makes this teaching so evil is that it sounds right.. Many false teachesrs will make it sund like the trinity..

ÃÂoppleganger
Let me ask you. Do you believe that Jesus is God?

Blessings, Jg
 
BradtheImpaler said:
No.

And as for William Branham, the main reason he was "demonized" by the religious status quo is because he spoke out, in principle, against denominations. I believe a true prophet would have to do so. None of the top Christian personalities of today would dare to because it would be a death sentence for their "careers". I am not saying I believe Branham was a miracle-worker or that there even are real prophets, but the guy was definately not in it for fame or fortune. He was more genuine than 99% of those who gain noteriety in the Christian world.
Alot of people are speaking out against denominations these days; the problem is theres also alot of people who are falling into the same traps they speak out against. The reason for this is because it's a 'people' issue instead of a denominational issue.
Branham became some of the very things he spoke out against.
Human pride is easily corrupted when others are exalting you above the imperfect fallible flesh that you are.
 
I find Arnold Murray entertaining :popcorn: I think he's a "rip".

His teachings, particularly on origins in Genesis, are very inventive in comparison to the benign and superficial explanations of fundamentalism.

Besides, he cracks me up sometimes, a real character :D
 
destiny said:
solo....I have a friend who believes a lot of the same heresy you mentioned. It comes from the teachings of William Branham....they think he's the 'vindicated' prophet for this age.
He's deceased but they speak of him in present tense; it's totally weird.
It was a shocker for me to learn that this man has a really big following and that his followers think that he IS (not was) the promised 'spirit' of Elijah.
My friend has tried several times to convince me of the serpent seed doctrine.
I wonder is Arnold Murray is a Branhamite?

Destiny,

Here is a link on the whole picture of William Branham. At the bottom of this link are many links to his beliefs, and teachings, etc. etc.

http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain3.htm

Arnold Murray teaches many of the same things that William Branham teaches, but I do not know that he is a Branhamite. I know that they are both false teachers.

God Bless you and yours,
Michael
 
Moon pretty much teaches the same, spectulative garbage concerning Genesis. Bah! God had no problems telling us when one person "knew" another. Why not just come out and tell us Eve "knew" Satan? :-? Why make up things that just aren't there?
 
Arnold Murray teaches many of the same things that William Branham teaches, but I do not know that he is a Branhamite. I know that they are both false teachers

Sure Solo, if it's not "cookie cutter" Christian doctrine it's false. Did you know that the original church was considered a cult of Judaism and the Protestants of the Reformation were considered false by the Church of that day? Today's "false teaching" is tomorrow's fundamentalism. Every age of fundamentalism thinks it has all the truth with nothing to add. You are representative of the current closed mindset.
 
BradtheImpaler said:
Sure Solo, if it's not "cookie cutter" Christian doctrine it's false. Did you know that the original church was considered a cult of Judaism and the Protestants of the Reformation were considered false by the Church of that day? Today's "false teaching" is tomorrow's fundamentalism. Every age of fundamentalism thinks it has all the truth with nothing to add. You are representative of the current closed mindset.

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:4

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:15-20

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:12-15

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: Galatians 2:4

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1
 
Vic C. said:
Moon pretty much teaches the same, spectulative garbage concerning Genesis. Bah! God had no problems telling us when one person "knew" another. Why not just come out and tell us Eve "knew" Satan? :-? Why make up things that just aren't there?
Funny you should mention that, it's exactly what I asked my friend the "Branhamite".
I found a really informative site which refuted the serpent seed doctrine step by step through scripture, so I copied it and went to her house.
What I was told was that a person had to reach a certain level of maturity in order to have revelation of this doctrine. :o

My response was pretty much that if it's not in scripture you should never accept another persons 'revelation' as the truth.
Her response was ...."well honey all I can tell you is that its there".
It was like hitting a brick wall.

I felt it would be best to let it drop for the time being and keep the friendship in tact. My friend is 93 years old, is very sharp mentally, and still lives at home and takes care of her house. (Alone)
So I respect her as an elderly person, but not those wacky doctrines.
 
1). I know what modalism is
2) to argue the trinty is kinda a feeble assertion, seeing that our primitive mind can't totally comprehend exactly what God is in his totally, Kinda like trying to comprehend Quatum Physics. It's a little beyond us, and we try and understand it, using things we do understand. If Murray is a modalist, then alot of people are too, Roman Catholics are modalists - Mary is not God, Orthodox are Modalist, etc.. etc. He does believe in a father, son and spirit. IF GOD is ONE, how come he is 3 now! And if he can be 3 in 1. How come it can't be 3 offices that we can't distinguish, and we call personality's. Which he would still assert to! The father can't be christ because he's of the Law, So is the Son because he fullfilled it, Who knows what the Holy Spirit is exactly?
3). If he actually prophecied 1 time and failed he obviously learned his lesson. The are far more false prophets working out there than him! Ben Hinn, Kim Klement, Moon, Etc ... etc. Everyone's entitlred to a few mistakes!
4). Sometimes yes he bothers me with his tie-raids, i used to Watch Dr. Gene Scott also, until all he talked about was money. His wife is an outstanding preacher though. I take everything with a grain of salt and i check out my sources!
5). Whether he's a doctor or not doesn't concern me, he does know the word of God very well! He even worked with Barry Fell, of America BC fame.
Velikovsky despite his critics, always stood his ground. Even when all of science was wrong and his assertions and theories were right, they never gave him credit! Einstein even listened to him, and later embraced many of his theories!
6). Most of what is going on is just propaganda, I've read what they believe. But i don't see any of you refuting thier position on annihilation, or the rapture, etcx .... etcx
7) Theres the entertainment value, like i said i take everything with a grain of salt, and obviously he's done well for himself despite the critics. How many people you know actually teach the Bible verse by verse chapter by chapter and read the entire bible like a commentary every year! I know of NO PREACHER that has ever done this! More Power To Him, to have the guts to do what he feels is right, instead of telling us the same old dryed up sermons!
 
Yes, I do believe Christ (Messiah) called Yashua clothed in human form, was the Son of God. Akin with God. When I see him I see the Father also!

I also believe The Lost Tribes of Israel went through the Caucaus Mtns and became known by another names, such as :Scythians, Succoth-ians, Scots, Kelts, Beth Omri, Beth Cumbri, Saxons, Tuatha De Danaan (Tribe of Dan),
That Jeremiah probably went to Iberia, Ibernia, Eire and Torah Hill and re-established the throne of Israel through them. Else God being a liar has a gap between the last of the kings of Judah and Christ.

I dont believe in the rapture and it is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible!
Not till the desolator shows himself in the Temple of God Proclaiming to be God. Will anybody be changed! The rapture as christian evangellists teach is edit!

I believe Isa 19:19 to be about the Pyramid of Giza which God ordained to be a sign and witness in the end times! Whom Jude quoting The Book of Enoch in his Epistle attests to its validity!

I believe in the significance of numbers, Hence since the number 7 occurs more than 30 times in Gen 1:1. God made the world complete Lacking Nothing in want of itself and was later destroyed to be replenished! I believe Gen and Rev compliment each in this respect, and God uses things like this to disprove the so-called "wise-men"

I believe literally that "like Gabriel - HENCE Man(Men)(or Sons) of God" came to earth. Left there abode to mate and pollute the Adamic Lineage so the Messiah could not be sent! That Kenites are Cain-ites, That Rechabites are Jews, but not all Jews. This why Christ accused them of being of the Synagogue of Satan, serpents, their seed , etc...

Thats it for now I could go on! But I'm kinda interested in what u'll say!

Edit made by Atonement 10/3/06 @ 10:00am PT
 
ÃÂoppleganger said:
Yes, I do believe Christ (Messiah) called Yashua clothed in human form, was the Son of God. Akin with God. When I see him I see the Father also!

I also believe The Lost Tribes of Israel went through the Caucaus Mtns and became known by another names, such as :Scythians, Succoth-ians, Scots, Kelts, Beth Omri, Beth Cumbri, Saxons, Tuatha De Danaan (Tribe of Dan),
That Jeremiah probably went to Iberia, Ibernia, Eire and Torah Hill and re-established the throne of Israel through them. Else God being a liar has a gap between the last of the kings of Judah and Christ.

I dont believe in the rapture and it is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible!
Not till the desolator shows himself in the Temple of God Proclaiming to be God. Will anybody be changed! The rapture as christian evangellists teach is stupid!

I believe Isa 19:19 to be about the Pyramid of Giza which God ordained to be a sign and witness in the end times! Whom Jude quoting The Book of Enoch in his Epistle attests to its validity!

I believe in the significance of numbers, Hence since the number 7 occurs more than 30 times in Gen 1:1. God made the world complete Lacking Nothing in want of itself and was later destroyed to be replenished! I believe Gen and Rev compliment each in this respect, and God uses things like this to disprove the so-called "wise-men"

I believe literally that "like Gabriel - HENCE Man(Men)(or Sons) of God" came to earth. Left there abode to mate and pollute the Adamic Lineage so the Messiah could not be sent! That Kenites are Cain-ites, That Rechabites are Jews, but not all Jews. This why Christ accused them of being of the Synagogue of Satan, serpents, their seed , etc...

Thats it for now I could go on! But I'm kinda interested in what u'll say!

You should post this in this thread
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

It would be perfect there
 
The rapture as christian evangellists teach is stupid!

Slow your roll.. I find this statement uncalled for; and agaist the teaching of the Bible, Why?? You don't know Greek..

Look at this verse:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

If you knew any Greek at all you would see the term "Caught Up" in Greek is "Rapos" English for rapture.. Enough said.. I will not sit and waste time on this. This is basic Greek/English translation stuff. As the Bible states "Study to show yourself approved"

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Someone needs to do that..
 
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