If nothing presents itself then nothing is there.
Do you realize how narrowminded that sounds? It reaks of "you do all the work and I'll see what you find" attitude.
No, we are not discussing the issue based on hate.
It has to be, there are no other reasonable answers that you could choose from to convince me why you have decided that your guesses are certainty.
You claim you have it but haven't provided any.
I told you before, being a Christian is an individual experience. I can't make you see it or feel it, or show you it. The realization has to come in your own heart and mind.
I can link you to many atheist and exchristian sites if you like and perhaps they can explain it better than I can.
All this will do is tell me there are more people like you who can't prove a thing.
Actually I think most Christians are closet unbelievers at heart but won't admit it.
If I wanted I could point out self proclaimed Christians who aren't really Christians, but thats not my job to sort out. We'll know them by their fruit. Simple and to the point.
Why do they get so upset at death if a loved one is in heaven and you will see them again someday.
Mourning is a natural reaction to losing a loved one. It doesn't mean we've lost all hope its just a reaction to knowing we won't see them again the way we've been accustomed to.
If something does not present itself then why should I assume a God exists.
This is the student who feels he doesn't need to do his homework. If you become locked in that mindset, forget about learning with that attitude because everything in life isn't handed to you on a silver platter. You should have learned that by now.
As I said if a God exists how do you know it's your God.
My eyes are opened. I certainly would let you know if I thought it was a dead end.
I don't think if a creator of the universe exists he has an ego problem and needs me to acknowledge that I believe in him. Then again he might since man is made in his image. God must have all the attributes of man himself. He suffers from greed, envy, and is egotistical.
Oh, so we see the anger and hostility resurface again. For being someone who doesn't believe in God, you sure make the possibility or there being one as negative as possible. I'm not at all surprised though.
Well you should be able to show others.
I've repeated over and over, salvation takes place on a personal level. So naturally the only people who could compare what they've seen are believers. I could type a 16 page essay and you still wouldn't get it because you're on the outside looking in.
Faith without evidence is gullibility.
Well God doesn't work that way. You show the smallest amount of faith and He will build on that and show you things as you pursue Him. Ever think this was the way to dissuade the fakes?
Did you ever ask yourself why is so much emphasis placed on faith without evidence?
Nope, because as I pursued the path I'd chosen I found I'd seen things I've never saw before. By that time you realize there is no second guessing... the door has been opened.
Who really benefits when you accept these beliefs without evidence?
As you continue on asking... seeking... and knocking, you find the benefits very quickly. Its called trust.
I have asked you to reveal it and so far you have not.
I already told you, I can't save you or condemn you. Your pursuit of God rests in your own hands. If you can't find Him in your heart and mind then nothing I could ever do will change that. A rule of thumb, be self dependant and self motivated.
Why should I believe in the "Holy spirit" if God himself hasn't presented any evidence to his existance?
If course you wouldn't, the lazy man reaps what he sows.
How technical do you want to get Scott?
Technical enough to know millions does not equal infinite. You should have known that one.
Well there wrong if you took the time to investigate them.
Proven right so far, you see the reprocussions in every aspect of human interaction.
I have shown that it does in fact exist.
Please, tell me something you can support and not empty words. You've shown nothing but your real motive.
You've said it but you can't prove it.
Individual level... what's so hard to comprehend about those words?
If it only occurs in my heart and mind then it's subject to the workings of my brain or the brain of those making the claim.
It doesn't sound like you're even motivated to pursue such a quest... but then again thats your choice. But the easy way out doesn't benefit you in the long run.
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Can you give me some examples of what you personally tested and found to be true in relation to the bible? I mean what was it that nailed the lid shut?
Anything I say to you is a foreign language because your eyes have not been opened. Said that once... said it again and probably another time too.
I don't buy the answer that some people just don't care.
Some don't care because they didn't get their own way, they lost loved ones, they didn't get their prayers answered as they'd like and they found out God isn't a genie in a bottle... thats why some give up because they become so angry that they'd rather hate then search.
As I said you are free to debate me in the PM or even in the chat section if you would like.
No problem either way... I've examined both roads so I'm not speaking from ignorance. I'll face up to the tough questions without fear of their reprocussions... I've always wanted the truth.
: yeah right!! You're selling but I'm not buying.... because its all see through. Your ideology is based on hate... you're not fooling anyone.