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Attacked from all sides!

LaMexicana

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When did it become a sin in this society to be conservative?

Geez :-?

Any opinions on the candidates? Completely liberal Barack or semi-conservative, richy rich McCain? There seems to be no good!

What would Jesus do? Seriously?
 
johnmuise said:
Who ever wins, we loose.

HAHAHA

I know! Isn't that horrible? So I'm getting attacked for going for the more conservative one.

Random thought...if I vote for Obama and pray for his heart to change so that he changes on the ethical issues. God can make that happen. God can make it happen for both candidates.

Another random thought. Have we ever thought that maybe we have all these economy issues and global warming and war as a consequence for letting go of all the moral issues? We think these are the real issues but are they really? What would happen if we all went back to family values...and GOD! What would happen if we all went back to God?
 
I cant believe no one has any opinions 32 days away from a very important election. No one? No stands or opinions?
 
johnmuise said:
Who ever wins, we loose.

HAHAHA
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


So, who loses? 8-)
 
Very good point Vic. No matter what happens, we on God's side will win oneday.
 
LaMexicana said:
When did it become a sin in this society to be conservative?

Geez :-?

Any opinions on the candidates? Completely liberal Barack or semi-conservative, richy rich McCain? There seems to be no good!

What would Jesus do? Seriously?


Once again I agree with you. My plan is to write in my vote for Ron Paul
 
hmm, what would Jesus do?...

Matthew 22:21b Then said he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Romans 13:1a Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established

Personally, I'm voting McCain :-D

I think I'll take a moment to Rant though :-D

Since our Democratic governor of Michigan Granholm came into office, taxes on business has been raised, libraries closed, school budgets slashed and we have the highest rate of unemployment in the nation. Now mind you, this was all well before the national economy really took a dive, and before all of the automotive jobs that were let go.

I used to work for VWOA (Volkswagon of America) and I still have some good friends that work there (well, the last one just got another job)... and VWOA decided they were going to move their operation from the Detroit Metro area to another state due to the increase in taxes. Several times they contacted Granholms office to work out a deal, and Granholm wouldn't give them the time of day. So, they did what any good business would do.. they started searching for another state that would give them the tax break they were looking for. Tenn and VA answered the call and shortly after, Granholm was making a call to VWOA, .... it was too late, and well over 3000 good paying jobs ($40,000 - $80,000) are being transferred out of the state of Mi as I type.

VWOA isn't the only company with this story. In the little town of Lapeer, three more business' s just announced that they too are moving... And now Granholm has the odacity to say that it's all because of Bush and the Republicans :o :x :x :x And people are believing it!

Well, I've seen what can happen to a state when they try to regulate the private sector and they raise taxes on corporations... it's a bad, bad idea and it doesn't work. Go on ahead and tax the corporations, they'll just raise their prices, or move out of the state, or Country... go on ahead and raise minimum wage, again, they'll just raise their prices. Who looses, who really pays? The middle class.. cause our wages don't increase to keep up with inflation... It's the middle class that pays the debt. Now then, you could say that the lower class wins, but the win is monetary, and in a cyclical system, it's a self destructive cycle...

I'll just stop here... :wink:
 
Misfit,
Just an apology about editing your earlier post. I thought I hit Quote :oops: I hope I put it back the way it was :oops: :oops:

Misfit said:
Once again I agree with you. My plan is to write in my vote for Ron Paul.

Why don't you take a stand and have your vote really count on the next presidential outcome? There are only two candidates in the running that have a chance at being the next president. Voting for Ron Paul, though noble, is like throwing away your voice in who will be our next President.

Fact. Ron Paul doesn't have a snowballs chance in the Mojave desert at becoming the next president. It's just reality.
Fact. Either Obama or McCain will become the next president.
Fact. Voting for Ron Paul takes a vote away from either Obama or McCain.
Side note: Vote for Ron Paul if your other option ends up being Obama :lol:

I don't agree with everything about McCain, but I have some very sharp fears of a few of Obama's ideas. My vote WILL count, even in a state that will probably go with Obama.
 
StoveBolts said:
Misfit,
Just an apology about editing your earlier post. I thought I hit Quote :oops: I hope I put it back the way it was :oops: :oops:

Misfit said:
Once again I agree with you. My plan is to write in my vote for Ron Paul.

Why don't you take a stand and have your vote really count on the next presidential outcome? There are only two candidates in the running that have a chance at being the next president. Voting for Ron Paul, though noble, is like throwing away your voice in who will be our next President.

Fact. Ron Paul doesn't have a snowballs chance in the Mojave desert at becoming the next president. It's just reality.
Fact. Either Obama or McCain will become the next president.
Fact. Voting for Ron Paul takes a vote away from either Obama or McCain.
Side note: Vote for Ron Paul if your other option ends up being Obama :lol:

I don't agree with everything about McCain, but I have some very sharp fears of a few of Obama's ideas. My vote WILL count, even in a state that will probably go with Obama.

HA HA I didn't see you edited it, but thanks for putting it back. My vote will not count unless I write in or vote third party. Thanks to the electoral collage system and the fact that I live in the "great" state of Utah my vote pretty much goes to McCain whether I like it or not (I don't). Paul was by far the best candidate, and win or lose he's still got my vote. Also why should I have to settle for one of these two? Am I not an American? Do I not have a right to vote for who I want to see be president? I for one am sick and tired of having to chose the lesser of two evils, the two party system & the electoral system are both flawed. In all honesty I'd rather see it be Obama than McCain any day.
 
MISFIT said:
I for one am sick and tired of having to chose the lesser of two evils, the two party system & the electoral system are both flawed. In all honesty I'd rather see it be Obama than McCain any day.

I hear you, Misfit. And, I understand totally what you are saying about your vote going to McCain, no matter what. Living in Idaho, I face the same thing, and I'll most likely vote Ron Paul as well.

However, I don't think that it's the two party system or the electoral system that is flawed. Well, other than the fact that any man-made system is bound to be flawed. However, the political system we have in the states runs pretty much to give American's the President they vote for. The electorial college is a great thing and shows the great wisdom of our Founding Father's. If it weren't for the EC, then those of us in states like Idaho and Utah wouldn't have any voice at all, The Eastern Seabord and the West Coast would decide ALL elections.

No, what is flawed is the American people. Us. We. We the People. We are so divided and the divisions are real. This is why the last few elections were so close and this next one is going to be just as close. The real war is between Traditionalist's and Progressives. For the past two decades, Progressives have made large gains in the American population. As the American population becomes more Progressive, then so will our government. It will lead us directly to out-and-out Socialism, if not Communism, but this is what the American people really want.

What would Jesus do is a good question here. The easy answer is that Jesus probably wouldn't vote anyway, rather concentrating on bringing in the harvest. But, as Christians we do have the responsiblity to vote, and to vote in a way that reflects God's principles. So, what is wise this time around?

Again, it's easy for me, because I don't care if Satan decked himself out in red tights, tail and pitchfork, if he ran as a Republican, Idaho would vote for him. So, I can vote Ron Paul, and the electorial votes are going for McCain no matter what. In this case a vote for Ron Paul sends a strong message to the Republican party that they have gone so far off base they are no longer a party for conservatives.

What would I do though if I were in a real battle ground state and my vote would actually be able to tip the balance one way or another? Voting then for Ron Paul would indeed be a vote for Obama. The question is, would this necessarily be a bad thing. For Obama does stand for all that the Progressives want to do with America and then some. Frankly, the man is a Socialist, no bones about that. And, American's are poised to vote him into office, either because they agree that Socialism is what will be best for us, or else they are just too dumb to aquaint themselves with the facts of the man they are voting for. Either way, they get what they deserve.

Wisdom here might be then to go ahead an let Obama win. Then the American people could actually see what Socialism would do for this country, and it wouldn't be all that pretty. Socialism might work for some time in some of the smaller countries, but it will always eventually fall in on itself. Socialism, like Commumism, is basically nothing more than a big Ponzi scheme. Once you have more tax-sucking citizens than tax-paying citizens, it falls apart. Go to France and study what has happened to them in the past decade and you'll see what I mean.

The thing is, a lot of folks who want to give Amercia 'what she deserves' think that this will be a lesson learned then we can all go back to being the America that the Founding Father's founded. However, I disagree. I think that if we vote in Obama, we will go past the point of no return and America will never get back to where we were before.

Will this all fit into end-time senarios that require America to fade so that a One World government can take over? Maybe. Maybe not, but maybe.

At any rate, I'm not worried about it. I've read the end of the story and for every battle we lose, we still win that particular War. Vote, and vote your conscience. However, you might also want to stock up on essentials like food, clothing, blankets, etc. Anyone who thinks that Obama is going to usher in a return to the good old days of Clinton properity truly doesn't understand what it was that made America so properous in the 90's.
 
Wow! Thank you handy!

Two of the most ridiculous lines I heard in the past 24 hours....morals have nothing to do with politics...hahahahahahaha! And get this one...God has nothing to do with politics...double hahahaha!

No! Really? He has nothing to do with politics?? Hm...ever thought that maybe that's why we're in the crapper?

It is our duty as citizens to vote and it is our duty to vote for someone who at least claims to have family values. McCain somewhat claims it, Obama doesn't claim it at all.

And the only conclusion I have come to is that we need to pray! Whether it's McCain or Obama we need to pray that they will stand up for ethics and morals. We need to pray that they turn back to family values and realize that liberalism only drives us apart. Liberalism is going to tear this country apart.
 
I have to agree with MISFIT and Handy. I believe I will write in Ron Paul also. While I agree more with McCain and Palin than I do with Obama and Biden, I believe that neither will be a good candidate. I think that the Senate and House also need a good over-haul. I don't think that Obama has enough experience to run the country. Obama would be an abomination. Ever wonder why the two sound so similar?
 
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